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day 8 of 10 and we went to get chairs at 4:45 am only to find the chairs closest to the pool in front of infinity view already taken on all sides. : o
We don't hate the players, only the game and it sound like the game is about to change...
The attendant came through at 8 am and was very thorough. She said she was very strict with the policy about unattended chairs for one hour. I said, great! We started to discuss the situation and here is what she said and/or alluded to:
Obviously the chairs are a problem.
The Fire Marshall has forbade any chair additions, period.
They modeled the resort on others on the island such as Hilton Hawaiian Village (with the lagoon) but didn't really account for the most people Not leaving the resort throughout the day.
In hindsight, things would have been developed differently.
When Four Seasons, Shangri-La, and Atalntis and operational on Ko'olina in a few years time... We'll see.
The real troublemakers aren't the DVC members but the non members who book rooms. They demand the world and are very rude about the rules being enforced as well as very territorial over chairs that they feel they have a "right" to.
She has seen people tell children who sit down on an empty chair to rest, that they are not allowed to sit there. And has been called everything in the book.
When we only took 4 out of a row of 7 poolside chairs, though we are a party of 8, (to not be hogs!) the party of 5 who took the other 3, would not let our nanny sit on one of the chairs they were not sitting in at the time. They said, "that's OUR chair" I wanted to say- it shouldn't have been!!!! In corroboration of the statement of the Chair attendant- they were wearing the non member bracelets as are all of the parties sitting in the chairs around here today that were taken before 4:45 am.
BUT!!!!!!
She said ominously, that there ARE CHANGES COMING SOON and "they are going to make a lot of people unhappy but they are much more fair"...
I asked her what we could expect in December when we return, but she wouldn't say and said to just keep checking the Internet for the new policies.
We can Only speculate... I'm assuming a limit on how many you can reserve. We have seen people counting out 12 chairs twice. She was emphatic that was a big problem. Maybe a time limit? They can't possibly have a shot gun 8am start, or could they?? That could be interesting... Because they could do that since technically you are prohibited from saving seats before then. Maybe the beach towels are different in a more obvious way than the rooms and you can only use those at the pool to save chairs? That would force you to stand in line for your bracelets at 8 and cool the jets for anyone trying to sprint to chairs. People would have to sit in them bodily and that is actually fair. They could remove all personal items left before 8?
I support any and all of the changes though I've happily got up early and have awesome seats, it really isn't fair.
I told her that they should reserve a section (maybe take out some dining tables) that is just for folks checking in that day. Folks can't control all flights into Oahu so they should have something to come to. You see them wandering, travel weary and nowhere to go at all times of the day, kids in tow. Especially, since the rooms are now being turned "starting at 4pm". Maybe we can change to verbiage on checkout to "starting at 11am" haha- fat chance!
I wish I could be here to see people freak out on the morning of the changes. Haha. I also hope they really do make a difference and are well thought out and implemented.
In the end I told the gal, "most people only need the carrot, but for the rest- you gotta have a stick!" And told her that as members, we are all for whatever makes the resort run the best for everyone for many years to come!
We don't hate the players, only the game and it sound like the game is about to change...
The attendant came through at 8 am and was very thorough. She said she was very strict with the policy about unattended chairs for one hour. I said, great! We started to discuss the situation and here is what she said and/or alluded to:
Obviously the chairs are a problem.
The Fire Marshall has forbade any chair additions, period.
They modeled the resort on others on the island such as Hilton Hawaiian Village (with the lagoon) but didn't really account for the most people Not leaving the resort throughout the day.
In hindsight, things would have been developed differently.
When Four Seasons, Shangri-La, and Atalntis and operational on Ko'olina in a few years time... We'll see.
The real troublemakers aren't the DVC members but the non members who book rooms. They demand the world and are very rude about the rules being enforced as well as very territorial over chairs that they feel they have a "right" to.
She has seen people tell children who sit down on an empty chair to rest, that they are not allowed to sit there. And has been called everything in the book.
When we only took 4 out of a row of 7 poolside chairs, though we are a party of 8, (to not be hogs!) the party of 5 who took the other 3, would not let our nanny sit on one of the chairs they were not sitting in at the time. They said, "that's OUR chair" I wanted to say- it shouldn't have been!!!! In corroboration of the statement of the Chair attendant- they were wearing the non member bracelets as are all of the parties sitting in the chairs around here today that were taken before 4:45 am.
BUT!!!!!!
She said ominously, that there ARE CHANGES COMING SOON and "they are going to make a lot of people unhappy but they are much more fair"...
I asked her what we could expect in December when we return, but she wouldn't say and said to just keep checking the Internet for the new policies.
We can Only speculate... I'm assuming a limit on how many you can reserve. We have seen people counting out 12 chairs twice. She was emphatic that was a big problem. Maybe a time limit? They can't possibly have a shot gun 8am start, or could they?? That could be interesting... Because they could do that since technically you are prohibited from saving seats before then. Maybe the beach towels are different in a more obvious way than the rooms and you can only use those at the pool to save chairs? That would force you to stand in line for your bracelets at 8 and cool the jets for anyone trying to sprint to chairs. People would have to sit in them bodily and that is actually fair. They could remove all personal items left before 8?
I support any and all of the changes though I've happily got up early and have awesome seats, it really isn't fair.
I told her that they should reserve a section (maybe take out some dining tables) that is just for folks checking in that day. Folks can't control all flights into Oahu so they should have something to come to. You see them wandering, travel weary and nowhere to go at all times of the day, kids in tow. Especially, since the rooms are now being turned "starting at 4pm". Maybe we can change to verbiage on checkout to "starting at 11am" haha- fat chance!
I wish I could be here to see people freak out on the morning of the changes. Haha. I also hope they really do make a difference and are well thought out and implemented.
In the end I told the gal, "most people only need the carrot, but for the rest- you gotta have a stick!" And told her that as members, we are all for whatever makes the resort run the best for everyone for many years to come!
Prior to that we were there in Dec 2011 I believe and it sounds like they didn't have them then. I don't understand why they would do that? Are they giving discounts on things based on the wrist band?
