At Last! All Illegal Immigrants to be expelled.

[PixieDust32]

ITA
I live in the nusery capital of the world, and most, if not all of the nuserymen are mexican (not steriotyping here, but 99% of them are illegal) when these men and women are expelled, who is going to take their nusery jobs? Whats going to happen to the economy of this city? Bush needs to find a better way to deal with this than deporting them all. How about getting all of the working ones VISAs?
ETA, these people are working the jobs no one else wants.

I know! Here's an idea...

Put all the people there is on Welfare to do these Jobs, let see if the can.

Have you seen the Show Dirty Jobs? On several episodes the workers are latin.

Just an idea!

 

[PixieDust32]

 

[PixieDust32]

Wow. All of that happened and you still had time to join the DIS today and find this thread too. What a coincidence.

LOL!FBI! WOW!

 

[Caradana]

So long as there are people willing to take $5 an hour to wash restaurant dishes and perform other draining and unpleasant tasks, I say, let them. It's the land of the free and the home of the brave, we've made it monumentally difficult to immigrate legally, and if I were 25 and female and living with a crap education in a dirt hut in Mexico, you better believe that I'd be looking for a way to get across the Rio Grande. I don't blame people for acting rationally, even if it's against someone else's rules.

DC

 

[twojo21]

One of the issues that I have had with the Bush Administration has been the "soft of illegal immigration" stance and weak boarders. Michael Chertoff, Dir. of Homeland Security announced today that his department aims to expell without exception, all those who enter this country illegally. Its about time!

i agree, im tired of their financial abuse on this country. if you want to come here for a better life fine, but do it the right away, legally, pay taxes, pass some kind of criminal/terrorist screening, etc.

 

[Viking]

ALL of your ancestors entered the country illegally? Sure about that?

Sure,
or can you show me a copy of the visa the Pilgrim Fathers used to get off the Mayflower?

 

[heart4pooh]

I have a question that I have been wondering about. Why do the Mexicans come here illegally? Is it that there are only so many allowed to immigrate legally per year? If so, since there are jobs available, why can't the number be raised? Is it because it takes so long to do the paperwork? Maybe that can be fixed...I know there are no easy answers. If it were easy it would've been solved already. I don't know how businesses hire people and pay them cash. As a business owner I have to document our income and how it is spent. I can't just withdraw hundreds of dollars in cash each week and not document what the expense is. Also, we own a plumbing company. The work is typically hot and dirty. We pay fair wages to our employees and a lot of money in unemployment tax and worker's comp insurance. We still, after 2 1/2 yrs don't have health insurance ourselves or offer it to our employees. Only because we can't afford it yet. But, I will tell you the truth. My husband has no desire to hire an American as a plumber's helper. We have gone through atleast 6 in two yrs. They don't want to work! Either they don't show up, need to be babysitted (if my husband's not on the job nothing gets done) or they are forever taking long cigarette breaks. Also, it seems that all the people that have applied for a job in the past either don't have a car or have lost their license from DUI's or some other reason! On the days they do show up, they always have a reason to go home early! It's frustrating. So, the plan is for our next employee to be a Mexican! Legally documented, of course. We don't mind paying all the expense of having a legal employee, we just want someone that wants to actually work! So, I ask, why is it so difficult to document somebody who wants to work difficult jobs, pay taxes, drive with a legal licence and purchase auto insurance, rent or own a house that will help to subsidize the increase in school costs for education? As long as they aren't breaking any laws, other that being here illegally, why isn't the system set up to accommodate them? That's what I want to know.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Ah yes, Ellis Island. Where anyone could come, sign in, take a medical test, and be allowed in. Today, we don't do that.

And they could send you back if you did not pass the medical test.

 

[DawnCt1]

I don't blame people for acting rationally, even if it's against someone else's rules.

DC

But I blame ourselves when we don't do more to enforce our rules.

 

[CheshireVal]

I have a question that I have been wondering about. Why do the Mexicans come here illegally? Is it that there are only so many allowed to immigrate legally per year? If so, since there are jobs available, why can't the number be raised? Is it because it takes so long to do the paperwork? Maybe that can be fixed...I know there are no easy answers.

It's really hard to get into the country nowadays and be legal to work here. As I said earlier, my DH just paid over $800 to file all the paperwork with the immigration people so that he can get a green card. Heck, he had a hard time just figuring out how to *come* here legally. He ended up going back to school so that he can be here on a student visa.

These days, you can't just say "I want to make a better life for myself-- I think I'll try America and see what happens." That may be what the country was founded on, but the rules have gotten far too strict post 9/11.

I think they should make it a little easier to come here legally, a little harder to come here illegally, and then maybe we wouldn't have quite so many people abusing the system.

 

[swilphil]

It's really hard to get into the country nowadays and be legal to work here. As I said earlier, my DH just paid over $800 to file all the paperwork with the immigration people so that he can get a green card. Heck, he had a hard time just figuring out how to *come* here legally. He ended up going back to school so that he can be here on a student visa.

These days, you can't just say "I want to make a better life for myself-- I think I'll try America and see what happens." That may be what the country was founded on, but the rules have gotten far too strict post 9/11.

I think they should make it a little easier to come here legally, a little harder to come here illegally, and then maybe we wouldn't have quite so many people abusing the system.

This is the real problem. Instead of working on ways to punish people who want to come here and WORK, the government should be working on ways to streamline the system so people who just want to come here for legitimate reasons can. If my ancestors were forced to go through such measures to get here, they would have stayed in Ireland and Germany.

 

[funhouse8]

I went to Ellis Island and it I remember correctly not everyone got in. You had to have a person sponsor you or you couldn't live here.

Businesses who work around these laws by hiring illegal immigrants are shameful. A lot of businesses may do it and all that means is a lot of businesses are breaking the law. Breaking the law is breaking the law whether it is just a single company or 10,000 companies.

This is who I have the problem with. The employers that just pull up in their trucks and tell them to hop in. Why don't they get in trouble? This is what causes problems all the workers loitering around waiting for a job.

 

[Crankyshank]

You can't compare immigration procedures a century or 2 ago and those today. The world is an entirely different place and the population of the US has grown substantially. Unlike Mary Poppin's bag, it's not like the size of the US grows in order to accomodate all the people coming in.

In this post 9-11 world one would think people would be more in favor of tightening our borders. As far as feeling sorry for the disadvantaged Mexican, how about feeling sorry for our own disadvantaged that are getting the shaft because so much of our social resources is going towards care of illegal immigrants. Why should someone who doesn't even have the courtesy or respect for the country they so desperately want to live in get taken care of better than people who live here, came here legally, and even fought for our country?

 

[momof2inPA]

I think they should make it a little easier to come here legally, a little harder to come here illegally, and then maybe we wouldn't have quite so many people abusing the system.

I think they should make it a little easier to come here legally and all but impossible to enter illegally. Illegals should be sent to prisons and shipped back to their own countries. Their children should be sent back with them.

 

[AllyandJack]

I think they should make it a little easier to come here legally and all but impossible to enter illegally. Illegals should be sent to prisons and shipped back to their own countries. Their children should be sent back with them.

I agree with this. It sounds harsh to send American citizens (the babies) away, but who will care for them if they stay? They have to go with their parents or stay here with other people, but the parents have to go home and come here legally. When they are old enough to care for themselves, they can come back with their full status.

I wonder....do other countries make parents citizens if babies are born there? If I go to, say, Japan and have a baby, am I automatically a Japanese citizen? How does that work in other nations?

 

[Hey hey heyhey]

One of the issues that I have had with the Bush Administration has been the "soft of illegal immigration" stance and weak boarders. Michael Chertoff, Dir. of Homeland Security announced today that his department aims to expell without exception, all those who enter this country illegally. Its about time!

When was this policy changed....yesterday?

 

[Charade]

This is the real problem. Instead of working on ways to punish people who want to come here and WORK, the government should be working on ways to streamline the system so people who just want to come here for legitimate reasons can. If my ancestors were forced to go through such measures to get here, they would have stayed in Ireland and Germany.

I have to disagree but they aren't punishing illegals for wanting to work here, they are holding them accountable for breaking the law!! I don't understand why something so simple escapes some people.

I say send the illegals packing and make the process more streamlined but not too easy. The reason for the process in the first place is to regulate the number of immigrants coming into the US. As much as some would like, we can't take them all in.

 

[Charade]

On our local news the other night was a report about a man that was picked up for a crime. It was mistaken identity. It was his brother (or half brother, can't remeber) that committed the crime. While being processed, it was discovered that he was an illegal (undocumented ) alien. Most likely he will be deported. It's a sad case because he has an American wife and some kids (how are now automatically citizens). But I'm sorry and you can call me cold hearted but he should be deported. He broke our laws. He knew he broke our laws when he came here and started a family. All the crying in the world from his wife "I don't understand this..." shouldn't matter.

 

[CheshireVal]

On our local news the other night was a report about a man that was picked up for a crime. It was mistaken identity. It was his brother (or half brother, can't remeber) that committed the crime. While being processed, it was discovered that he was an illegal (undocumented ) alien. Most likely he will be deported. It's a sad case because he has an American wife and some kids (how are now automatically citizens). But I'm sorry and you can call me cold hearted but he should be deported. He broke our laws. He knew he broke our laws when he came here and started a family. All the crying in the world from his wife "I don't understand this..." shouldn't matter.

If he's got an American wife he should have been able to file for a green card. I'm not sure how that's handled, though, when the person was here illegally to begin with.

 

[mariolatry]

I agree with this. It sounds harsh to send American citizens (the babies) away, but who will care for them if they stay? They have to go with their parents or stay here with other people, but the parents have to go home and come here legally. When they are old enough to care for themselves, they can come back with their full status.

I wonder....do other countries make parents citizens if babies are born there? If I go to, say, Japan and have a baby, am I automatically a Japanese citizen? How does that work in other nations?

It's interesting that you ask this. I was just discussing this with my brother, who's lived in Japan for 8 years. They have a super-stringent immigration policy and have significant difficulty filling "menial" jobs. There was a six-week lag in garbage collection in my brother's town because they had no garbage collectors-no one wanted the job!

I think if you marry a Japanese citizen, you still have to jump through a few hoops to be a citizen. You can do it, but it's not necessarily automatic.