Article on WDW considering a "demand pricing plan"

Yeah I don't know how much it is a "victory" of the free market if the company wins but the customers have to pay much higher prices than they should

And THAT...is exactly what they have been doing and will continue to sign up to do more of...

It's the real truth. No matter how you interpret it.

Now...Disney parks (Disneyland and walt Disney world only...ill get back to that later) has to bring in more rev to account for cable cutting...and a crappy partner in China in a bad economic situation...and...

A debt laiden franchise in Marne a vallee that is now directly on the books. That's a huge deal.

Prices my never be "high enough" in parks again. A very real possibility
 
You're really simplifying this. No one is saying "you can't miss school or you won't get into Harvard." For starters, many schools do not allow vacation absences, Period. Second, it's not thinking that one Disney trip is going to prevent your child from being a billionaire. You're really being too flippant about this. It's about a student missing a week or more of teaching time, and when they come back, they have to work that much harder to make it up. Schools are cramming a lot more into a week of teaching, and there's also a lot more pressure, than when you or I went through. Heck, when I was 16, I missed a week or so of school due to surgery, and I really felt it when I went back, and it really increased the stress for me and the workload in trying to get caught back up - because even though I missed those 5 or 6 days and was behind, they were still moving ahead - and teachers today do not have the time to help you get caught up.

I'm far oversimplifying it. You want me to right a novel?
Far too many people around here know how ugly that gets::yes::

But it's more of a difference in overall mentality...not for the better.

Are we talking public schools? They set the rules and answer to no one, huh? Is that the impression out there in the bread basket?

I get it...rules are rules. They just aren't good rules. Variation is a learning experience...so is schedule flux...so is a little chaos. Those have more value than even some Of the discipline. Sitting five days a week for 10 months a year - and of course the 4 daily planned activities is not building better people. Definitely not better adult workers...it's producing a combination of immaturity and lack of personality. No independent thought or problem solving ability.
Even form Harvard.

I'll stop before i get into a social economic deconstruction of the American educational system.
 
You're really simplifying this. No one is saying "you can't miss school or you won't get into Harvard." For starters, many schools do not allow vacation absences, Period. Second, it's not thinking that one Disney trip is going to prevent your child from being a billionaire. You're really being too flippant about this. It's about a student missing a week or more of teaching time, and when they come back, they have to work that much harder to make it up. Schools are cramming a lot more into a week of teaching, and there's also a lot more pressure, than when you or I went through. Heck, when I was 16, I missed a week or so of school due to surgery, and I really felt it when I went back, and it really increased the stress for me and the workload in trying to get caught back up - because even though I missed those 5 or 6 days and was behind, they were still moving ahead - and teachers today do not have the time to help you get caught up.
They don't have time because too much is forced upon them. That's why I think if you know you are going to be gone tell them ahead of time so you can get a head start on what you will miss. Many people in my family are teachers and I understand what many of them go through.
 
I do think the current management has been lazy and cheap, if they had wanted to they could've opened a new park by now. New parks used to be opened with a lot more frequency

Ok...this is where we come to that fork in the road, my friend...

Animal kingdom was easily a 5 billion dollar expense...when you look at the 5 hotels, infrastucture, blizzard beach, Osceola parkway, swamp work...

Some of that is turning some profits...a lot never will. Pure operational expense.

I won't get into who's gonna work at this new park...except to ask who's gonna work there?

And the other problem with a new park...and I'm guesstimating from memory...are these two numbers:
5.9 and 6.85
 

I'm far oversimplifying it. You want me to right a novel?
Far too many people around here know how ugly that gets::yes::

But it's more of a difference in overall mentality...not for the better.

Are we talking public schools? They set the rules and answer to no one, huh? Is that the impression out there in the bread basket?

I get it...rules are rules. They just aren't good rules. Variation is a learning experience...so is schedule flux...so is a little chaos. Those have more value than even some Of the discipline. Sitting five days a week for 10 months a year - and of course the 4 daily planned activities is not building better people. Definitely not better adult workers...it's producing a combination of immaturity and lack of personality. No independent thought or problem solving ability.
Even form Harvard.

I'll stop before i get into a social economic deconstruction of the American educational system.

I'm not disagreeing that it's wrong. Why you do think I homeschool? lol (one of many reasons). But it is what it is, and it's why many parents do not take their older children out of school now.
 
I'm not disagreeing that it's wrong. Why you do think I homeschool? lol (one of many reasons). But it is what it is, and it's why many parents do not take their older children out of school now.

I agree...I think it's a missed opportunity...but I get what you're saying
 
They don't have time because too much is forced upon them. That's why I think if you know you are going to be gone tell them ahead of time so you can get a head start on what you will miss. Many people in my family are teachers and I understand what many of them go through.

Right on, my man...

And there's a long standing (50 year) social and economic pattern that you can tie current education back to...
 
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Right on, my man...

And there's a long standing (50 year) social and economic pattern that you can tie current education back to...

Current public school model is all about politics, with social and economic factors. It has NOTHING to do with what is best for the students, and certainly is not even close to being based on how they learn best. Which of course, is why it's failing miserably. But, man, we could really take this into a whole new rant, couldn't we? lol.
 
Current public school model is all about politics, with social and economic factors. It has NOTHING to do with what is best for the students, and certainly is not even close to being based on how they learn best. Which of course, is why it's failing miserably. But, man, we could really take this into a whole new rant, couldn't we? lol.

There's a reason why schools are nuts...because America worked best when it was a factory based, industrial economy...but that doesn't fly with the iPhone world anymore. So education thinks it can do things a different way now. Everybody must be a genius in a post industrial society.

My favorite thing about education now is this: they think they can overpower biology. Kids used to read at 6...now 4. Math can be grasped 4 years earlier too...

Nature always wins. It certainly can beat a measly old common core.
 
You'd be surprised at how very accurate it is. ALL employers have the legal right to dictate when a person takes their vacation time, and I think it's happening with increasing frequency. Where we live, in a fairly industrial area, they have designated shut down times, and that's that - THAT is your vacation. Around here, shut down is typically the two weeks of Christmas or two weeks in the summer. Too bad, so sad if you don't like it. So you have those people.

Then as you said there's the seasonal workers.

Then you have the places where vacation slots are chosen based on various methods - seniority, first come first serve, a pool, etc... So, you're left with what you get.

Then there's anyone that works in the school system (public, private, college, university etc), plus families who have children in upper grades where taking them out for a week or two is either a) not allowed or b) too disruptive to their education, or even families that just aren't allowed vacation in any grade as an excused absence. That is a huge number right there, considering in the US alone, there's roughly 3,000,000 K-12 teachers, and over 17,000,000 high school students.

And of course, then there's the college and university students themselves.
Totally agree. The past company I worked at had a PTO bid for the next full entire year starting in the October of the year before and usually ending in the first week of December. This means if I wanted to plan for a vacation for ANYTIME during May thru August it had to be done the October before (I used these months because the availability of PTO time was very limited during the summer). Availability of weeks and days given were based on 60% seniority and 40% performance as well as the number of people in your salary grade. Basically if you didn't plan that far in advance forget about taking a vacation during the summertime. If I were to go to WDW I would almost always choose Fall but my past co-workers who had kids couldn't just take them out of school and thus were left with mostly the summertime.

It was very very difficult to get any vacation time around holidays. When I first started there was somewhere around 200 people in my salary grade that had started within a few months before and after me so this meant me taking off for Memorial day was a lot less of a hit. However, the next time it came around after I had been promoted to the next salary grade up but some of my fellow co-workers weren't the pool of people went from 200 to 150. This happened each and every time I was promoted to the next salary grade...while this is a good thing the available pool of people kept getting smaller and smaller and this isn't even counting the seniority and performance part where you are competing with people who had been with the company 5, 10, 15, and 20+ years. This system was not only confusing to even explain it made it for the inside joke we all had "I've got PTO but I can't use it." Not to mention that PTO was used in as little as 15 min.increments thus if during your shift if there was a 15 min.increment that was used up as far as the number of people allotted who could take off then it was considered unvailable for PTO usage and went against your performance IF your supervisor gave you permission to use it.

Now that I think about it I'm so glad I don't work for that company anymore lol.
 
As much as we all don't like idea of Tiered pricing, Disney is getting so popular that they could get away with it.

For every complainer, I bet there are a ton of people here (myself included probably) that would easily pay a premium price for their Disney Vacation if it guaranteed the parks were less crowded.

Would you pay $50 extra a ticket to go during a "premium week" .. if Disney simply limited park attendance those days?
Would you pay an extra $25 per ticket for 3 more fast passes per day? (Thus helping you avoid the crowds?)


I mean .. look how popular the holiday parties are. Yes, some are there for the unique experience, but I am assuming a lot pay for the premium because they know they get to experience the park for a lot of the night with a fraction of the normal crowds. The more crowded the parks get during normal times, the more appealing these extra cost parties are to some.

BBM But that isn't what they are proposing. A "premium week" is a premium week for one reason only ~ crowds.
 
BBM But that isn't what they are proposing. A "premium week" is a premium week for one reason only ~ crowds.

Absolutely right...

This has not a damn thing to do with limiting crowds.

There will NEVER be a ticket cap. Not for one second...that's a loco concept.

I can go on the website at 11:59 on 12/23...buy a 7 day parkhopper...then get into a line outside the magic kingdom toll plaza on the morning of the 24th and rush the gates for the next 7 days...the busiest days of the year.

Unless they do FIRM reservations to walk into a park - a ridiculous concept that is horrible for business - then there will never be a limit on tickets to regulate crowds.

It will be be a really flimsy line of excuses about "deterrents" and "we're trying...it's just that mine train is SOOO good" nonsense.
 
BBM But that isn't what they are proposing. A "premium week" is a premium week for one reason only ~ crowds.
I understand that.

I am not saying that is what they are proposing.

I was just throwing out a "what if" .. a daydream.

If Disney did close the parks down to everyone except "Premium" guests (Guests who pay a lot more above standard ticket price) .. but limited the tickets sold, thus guaranteeing a less crowded experience. Would you pay for it? Or .. along those lines .. would you pay a lot more to get more Fast Passes (like Universal or other amusement parks do).

Similar to luxury boxes at a sporting event. I pay more to see the same event .. with just a better view, and a lot less hassle and more comfort.
 
I understand that.

I am not saying that is what they are proposing.

I was just throwing out a "what if" .. a daydream.

If Disney did close the parks down to everyone except "Premium" guests (Guests who pay a lot more above standard ticket price) .. but limited the tickets sold, thus guaranteeing a less crowded experience. Would you pay for it? Or .. along those lines .. would you pay a lot more to get more Fast Passes (like Universal or other amusement parks do).

Similar to luxury boxes at a sporting event. I pay more to see the same event .. with just a better view, and a lot less hassle and more comfort.

I've rarely been as sure about the millions of things I've typed here as I am this one:

They will NEVER limit park tickets. Park tickets are the gateway to some of the highest profits (not the tickets themselves...all the other things) of one of the largest entertainment companies on earth.

It won't happen. If we all pay a fortune, stay 10 days, and buy $30,000 in DVC points - they'll build more...
...but never place an operational limit on average days.
 
If a price hike of this nature really meant I was going to get less crowded parks and perhaps could even go to WDW during one of the desirable weeks of the year for my family, when my kids have their longer school breaks (Christmas and Easter), I would be all for it.

But it's not. Until they put a lower cap on attendance, especially at MK, nothing will change.

This is just a money grab.
 
What about pay a premium for "extra magic hours" and have more of those hours available?
 
What about pay a premium for "extra magic hours" and have more of those hours available?


I would love nothing more than a return of the old (pre-Extra Magic Hours) "E-Ride Nights". For anyone not familiar with those...for anyone staying in a WDW resort (wasn't available to those staying offsite), you paid $10pp and had 3 hours in the MK after regular closing, and there was a cap on how many "tickets" could be sold for it. I always say it was the best money I ever spent at WDW. We would ride everything (including the mountains, HM, POTC - note: nothing in Fantasyland was open) 4-5 times in a row without ever having to get off the ride.

However, if they were to bring this type system back in place of the current EMH....I know the price would be $50pp for 2 hours and there would be no cap on attendance.
 
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I've rarely been as sure about the millions of things I've typed here as I am this one:

They will NEVER limit park tickets. Park tickets are the gateway to some of the highest profits (not the tickets themselves...all the other things) of one of the largest entertainment companies on earth.

It won't happen. If we all pay a fortune, stay 10 days, and buy $30,000 in DVC points - they'll build more...
...but never place an operational limit on average days.
I know .. I was just dreaming .. but there ARE limits to how many tickets they sell. They can't have 200,000 people trying to enter Magic Kingdom on one day.

So don't they limit tickets now already now?
They close the Magic Kingdom on days when it reaches "capacity". Essentially, limiting who can get into the park for a while. There is a limit to the number of people they allow in the park.

And they limit it as well with the two holiday parties.
There is only a set number of party tickets sold per night, thus limiting how many guests are riding rides and participating in the extra party stuff during those party events.

What's to say they do another 24 hour MK day and make it a hard-ticket event? $210 per ticket, limited number of tickets sold (which makes it a hot item and ensures they sell out), but you can party 24 hours long. Why wouldn't they do that if they think they can make money on it? The rest of the resort guests just simply plan on going to one of the other three parks those days.
 













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