Ariz. teacher on leave for taking choir to Hooters

[sbell111]

Well I have never once in my life called an owl, a "hooter"....

The primary definition of 'hooter' at thefreedictionary.com:

1. One that hoots, especially an owl.

I personally would be p-o'd if someone took my child to a place to eat that reduces women to their breasts, or as sex objects. You can say that Hooters is all about the owl symbol all you want, but everyone knows it is about the breasts and sex appeal of the women servers.

I'm pretty sure that Hooters is about buffalo-style wings, although they do have other food.

Well, I'm sure many bars offer kid type meals too, but that doesn't make them appropriate for everyone. It's not up to Hooters to decide if they allow children into their establishment, it's up the PARENTS to decide if they feel the establishment is fit for their child to attend.

One wonders why 'Name of Restaurant' isn't included on field trip permission forms.

Since Hooters makes no excuse for the fact that they are selling sex ...

Again, I'm pretty certain that Hooters sells wings, not sex. It's a restaurant, not a brothel.

Hell, I wouldn't have wasted any time in applying for a job there when I was younger if one was in our area at that time.

Honestly, I am more concerned about your potty mouth on a family-focused forum than I am with high school kids eating wings for lunch.

I'd imagine though that there are a heck of a lot of Christian families (though I'm sure there are other families as well that don't put a stamp of approval on Hooters for their minor children) out there who would rather their child never walk into that restaurant even as adults. Granted, it up to us to decide for ourselves, but simply tossing a stamp of approval on from the establishment; in the way of say a child's menu, really isn't going to win ALL families over and to even believe that everyone should agree with your position is a bit belligerent, IMO.

Wow. That's some statement. That, combined with the rest of your post, tells me that you have never been inside a Hooters, especially for lunch.

 

[MomNeedsVacay]

The primary definition of 'hooter' at thefreedictionary.com:

1. One that hoots, especially an owl.
I'm pretty sure that Hooters is about buffalo-style wings, although they do have other food.
One wonders why 'Name of Restaurant' isn't included on field trip permission forms.
Again, I'm pretty certain that Hooters sells wings, not sex. It's a restaurant, not a brothel.
Honestly, I am more concerned about your potty mouth on a family-focused forum than I am with high school kids eating wings for lunch. Wow. That's some statement. That, combined with the rest of your post, tells me that you have never been inside a Hooters, especially for lunch.

I don't care what the definition states...we all know why the restaurant is named that... and your online definition doesn't change the intention of the name. If the intention was to be "owl-focused" why not have the wait staff dress as Owls??!!!

 

[taximomfor4]

I haven't ever gone to a Hooter's. I probably wouldn't take my kids to one, having nothing but its image to judge by. HOWEVER I am married to a teacher, and was once a student (thus had many teachers in the past). I do NOT think the punishment fits the ? lapse in judgment ?. Seriously, she fed the kids in a place where, perhaps the "image" is not in the best taste, to many. But there also is nothing terrible going on there. Short shorts and tank tops. She is on LEAVE because of that.

I don't understand why the teacher couldn't just get a reprimand or something. Seriously, we have no idea how many places she tried to get her group into. Perhaps the place she'd planned on didn't remember to set up tables for 40! (It's happened to us). Perhaps she made the best decision she felt she could, under the circumstances. It's worth being kicked off her JOB?

If I had a nanny for my kids, and the nanny took them to lunch at Hooters (even though I wouldn't take them there myself), I would sit her down and tell her that I don't really want my kids going there...that I am not comfortable with that lunch choice. I wouldn't kick my nanny off the job.

If Grandma took the kids to Hooters while out shopping one day, I wouldn't tell Grandma she can no longer be trusted with my kids. So why do that with a teacher?

 

[ilovejack02]

I'd have a fit if a school took my kids there. Why can't teachers use good judgment?? It's a place where grown men gawk at young scantily clad girls -ewwww!

LOL, not really..

Not a big deal to us. We see worse at the beach and there isnt anything sexy about those suntan panty hose .

The main thing wrong with the place that I dont want my kids exposed to is the food.. bleh lol!!

I wouldn't not have one problem with my high school child eating at Hooters.

 

[LoraJ]

Okay, I have not felt the need to step in until now. Listen, there are Hooters people and there are not Hooters people. My family falls in with the latter.

I just don't understand why people that disapprove of Hooters or are made uncomfortable by the concept or it goes against their conservative sensibilities.....why they are the ones that need to calm down and are being unreasonable. Can't we have an opinion on Hooters too?

Regardless of the punishment, I think Hooters is probably not the most appropriate restaurant for a school group, even IF they are hs'ers. And, I don't know where you all are from, but at MY high school, I don't remember anyone wearing skimpy clothes, even if in gym class. Now granted, I went to a Catholic school with a strict dress code, but still. Just because there are some girls out there that dress like skanks does not mean that's the norm everywhere.

You are showing more skin in your user pic than the Hooter Girls (and guys) show. Have you been to a Hooters?
It's really not that bad.


I feel so bad for the teacher.

 

[luvmy3]

I haven't ever gone to a Hooter's. I probably wouldn't take my kids to one, having nothing but its image to judge by. HOWEVER I am married to a teacher, and was once a student (thus had many teachers in the past). I do NOT think the punishment fits the ? lapse in judgment ?. Seriously, she fed the kids in a place where, perhaps the "image" is not in the best taste, to many. But there also is nothing terrible going on there. Short shorts and tank tops. She is on LEAVE because of that.

I don't understand why the teacher couldn't just get a reprimand or something. Seriously, we have no idea how many places she tried to get her group into. Perhaps the place she'd planned on didn't remember to set up tables for 40! (It's happened to us). Perhaps she made the best decision she felt she could, under the circumstances. It's worth being kicked off her JOB?

If I had a nanny for my kids, and the nanny took them to lunch at Hooters (even though I wouldn't take them there myself), I would sit her down and tell her that I don't really want my kids going there...that I am not comfortable with that lunch choice. I wouldn't kick my nanny off the job.

If Grandma took the kids to Hooters while out shopping one day, I wouldn't tell Grandma she can no longer be trusted with my kids. So why do that with a teacher?

This is a great post

 

[Wall-E1]

I just don't understand why people that disapprove of Hooters or are made uncomfortable by the concept or it goes against their conservative sensibilities.....why they are the ones that need to calm down and are being unreasonable. Can't we have an opinion on Hooters too?

Everyone can have an opinion, but the reason they need to calm down is because they are the ones who are getting all worked up over it. They are the people that have started an uproar over this. The people who have no problem with Hooters don't need to calm down as they are perfectly relaxed and just looking for some good wings and nice scenery. There is nothing about their demeanor that would suggest that they would need to calm down.

 

[lillygator]

I'm confused, I just googled to see if there has been an update. In the article that said she was planning on retiring in January did not give her age, and then in another article that did not mention retirement it said she was 23? Anyone know what the details are?

 

[TinklednPants]

You are showing more skin in your user pic than the Hooter Girls (and guys) show.

LOL! That's true! How ironic is that?

Hooters= a place to grab a beer, a plate of wings and chill out. That's it.

 

[MomNeedsVacay]

You are showing more skin in your user pic than the Hooter Girls (and guys) show. Have you been to a Hooters?
It's really not that bad.


I feel so bad for the teacher.

Are we looking at the same user pic?

 

[TinklednPants]

Are we looking at the same user pic?

Indeed.

 

[Heidict]

I'm confused, I just googled to see if there has been an update. In the article that said she was planning on retiring in January did not give her age, and then in another article that did not mention retirement it said she was 23? Anyone know what the details are?

In the second post, Pigletgirl says that she knows the teacher, Maybe she knows?

PIGLET GIRL!! We have a question!!!

 

[wdwcoltsfan]

I think the teacher probably used poor judgement, but I also think the punishment is pretty harsh.

Dh and I have been to Hooters several times--although not within the last couple of years. We now have a BW-3, which is where we go when we want wings. Anyway, on one of our trips there, the waitress brought us the check and when we asked for a pen, she pulled it out of the front of her shirt. I'm sure you can guess what she was using as the "pen holder." I must say, I've never had that happen at TGIF or Applebees.

I don't know how other Hooters operate, but I know the one here routinely advertises "theme days" when the waitresses are dressed like school girls. They also have car washes on Saturdays during the summer. Guys(and I'm guessing girls, too) sit out on the patio and watch the waitresses wash their car while they eat and drink.

I'm sure both of these are excellent marketing ideas and draw in customers. However, to say that our local Hooters is just like any other restaurant in town isn't accurate. No other restaurant has their servers washing cars while their patrons eat. They are advertising and making money off the one thing that sets them apart from the other restaurants--their waitresses.

And, for those that are wondering how I know about the car washes since we haven't been there for a couple of years, our Hooters is right next to our mall. The parking lot is adjacent to the mall parking lot.

I don't think Hooters is equivalent to a strip club and I don't think they are selling anything other than bad wings and beer, but I do think that some of the marketing tactics they use have helped to perpetuate the image some people have of their restaurant.


Rachel

 

[pigletgirl]

In the second post, Pigletgirl says that she knows the teacher, Maybe she knows?

PIGLET GIRL!! We have a question!!!

No no no, she definitely isn't 23! I would imagine she's been teaching for that amount of time. I'd say she's about 55 (?)

And the restaurants in downtown phx have a hard time seating a larger crowds, and if they can accomodate a larger group its pretty $$$$. Hooters really was the only option besides mcdonalds. She probably wanted to give them a nice lunch and now its turned into this horrible mess.

 

[lillygator]

ok, yes, the one article had it as her age, not the amount of years teaching. Such a shame.

 

[pigletgirl]

It just totally sickens me, because she is a great lady!She has so many talents and her choir is always amazing! I mean they sang at Obama's inagural ball. So many neat things have happened in her career, I'd hate for it to end this way.

I'm going to go find out who tattled on her, and punch 'em!

j/k

 

[TinklednPants]

Anyway, on one of our trips there, the waitress brought us the check and when we asked for a pen, she pulled it out of the front of her shirt. I'm sure you can guess what she was using as the "pen holder." I must say, I've never had that happen at TGIF or Applebees.

This is good. There's nothing I hate more than a cold pen.

 

[wdwcoltsfan]

This is good. There's nothing I hate more than a cold pen.

Yeah, the only thing that made it funnier was Dh's college buddy, who was with us, asked the waitress for hand sanitizer after he used the pen! I'm not surprised--that is his sense of humor.


Rachel

 

[NHdisneylover]

What is America comming to that there is an overreaction of this magnitude for such a minor thing?

I don't like Hooters. I am not big on the inuendo on the theming (not offended by it and do not think poorly of thse who work there it is just not my thing--sort of like sports bars are not my thing either) and did not care for the food (I full admit it has been nearly 20 years since I tried one, maybe they are better now).
However, it would not have occurred to me to even bat an eyelash had my kids (grades 5 and 8) been taken to a Hooters for lunch on a class trip.

As a parent I don't care for it, but it is a reasonable choice that many families use so I have to know my kids may be exposed to it once in a while. No biggie. I don't eat Dominoes pizza either but I don't throw a fit if the kids are served Dominoes at school for a pizza party. I don't like Boy Scout policies but I don't care that kids wear their uniforms to school on meeting days. Of course, there are a million other smilar examples. There have to be parents out there who don't approve of cheer uniforms, or tatoos or whatever but their kids see those things at school on the other kids (teens do get tatoos) without demanding that their kids be shielded from this fairly "normal" for our society behaviour.

Basically, if I did not want my kids to eat ANYwhere that fits the budget and serves children then I would not allow them to take a field trip that included eating out (even at a planned place as sometime plans change unexpectedly). If I did not want them ever exposed to things I disagree with I would homeschool (NOTE most homeschoolers are NOT homeschooling for this reason; I did homeschool for 4 years and exposed my kids to tons of things, BUT it is the only valid way to keep your kids from seeing and hearing and experiencing the world beynd your control.

 

[damo]

You are showing more skin in your user pic than the Hooter Girls (and guys) show.

That's funny because that is exactly the first thing that entered my mind when I read that post.