HopperFan
"It's a bug-eat-bug world out there, princess."
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I skimmed through and then stopped reading .... wow so much made up information ....
My kids are out of school but my DD did graduate high school early by taking extra classes online (2 semesters English, 2 semesters Finance, 1 semester Economics and 1 semester Personal Fitness), and honestly she learned more from those classes than most her in classroom ones. It is possible to be a high quality education but depends on system and student.
My DS works for the school system (100,000) and has a huge group of friends who are long term and newer teachers in elementary, middle and high school, administrators, special ed teachers, coaches, bus drivers ..... and they are all very concerned about going back. I'm not sure why people think they will be unemployed if there is no in class school .... quite the opposite, they will be doing online teaching that involves lots more paperwork and minimal support. Some will also have young children at home they will be helping with their assignments. Now the folks who likely will be on extended furlough are the bus drivers, cafeteria workers and the specialists like therapists, librarians and elective teachers.
Our system we live in is huge and every week the meetings with staff resulted in strange or no information on how anything was going to work. Not until the last few weeks have they put possibilities out there to the staff. To parents all that has been shared is delayed opening by one week. You can return to school as usual OR you can do virtual learning but it is a full year commitment, no returning in January. They have to plan for teachers and they are working on assumption they will lose some of them so can't take on students in January.
At beginning of the summer there were some extreme ideas on the table that would have been a massive undertaking. I think once it gets down to what can they afford to do it changes everything, especially when the state cut their budgets because COVID reduced state tax income.
Discussions on table ...
- Busing as usual with assigned seats. I suppose for contact tracing later since usually 2-3 to a seat.
- Arrival at school gets you temperature checked before entering building.
- If you fail temp check you are sent to a location (might be trailers) to wait until someone comes for them.
- All staff wear masks.
- Kids are to stay in one classroom as much as possible with teachers moving.
- Desks will be moved apart but 6 ft is not possible.
- High school kids move but reduced number of times ...
- No electives; no art, music, PE, engineering, etc.
- No cafeteria; kids eat in classroom bag lunch from home or school provided.
- Lunch hour will be monitored by the teachers who no longer have classes to teach.
- No substitutes, no one comes in school other than staff and kids.
- Substituting will be provided by the teachers who no longer have classes to teach.
- Teachers get crazy number of COVID days for WHEN they get sick.
- Unknown how sports will be handled but right now summer practice is happening with restrictions.
- The protocol for when positive tests happen has a VERY LOW threshold.
- The threshold is so low I can't imagine they can stay open very long.
- If they can't stay open for in class, teachers will still go to school and teach from classroom.
I asked what happens to students who chose virtual school but compete in sports ... will coming on campus be a problem??? Another thing they have to figure out.
I expect all of this to be fluid right up until they actually do start. That makes it harder for parents especially since they have to choose virtual this week ... without knowing how in-class school will work.
Administrators say they anticipate many teachers may put in paperwork to not come back in the spring.



I'm terrified about my adult son being in a classroom full of ..... basically COVID carriers. There is no argument that oh we are in the grocery store, we got our haircut, we went to Home Depot .............. the difference is we are in those locations no more than 20 minutes mostly moving and I detour away from people, especially if they have no mask on. But that is not the same as being in a tight classroom for 7 hours with the same 25 kids who don't have masks on, or worse in high school 125 kids.
Just so sad that a full failure at the handling of this has us even having a conversation that kids might not be able to go back or stay in school. There is no money to make school safe, no public school system has that kind of money. And rather than offer money to help them, the government is threatening to withhold what they get now. This situation didn't have to be black and white, open or close. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MASK MANDATES in March, there should have been plans in place to open school safely in this fall, there have been NONE! So because no planning, support or funding has been offered many school systems are just doing their best and for many it will be bare minimal.
It's really sad that as a country we value our children's lives and their education so little. The estimate from the Dept of Education is that 14,000 children will die of COVID when they go back to school.
Schools are going to open and get ready .... schools are going to close. Everyone needs their backup plan for their kids, don't get caught off guard like last time. This time businesses will not close, many parents will have to go to work ... they need to have a backup plan for where their kids will go or who can come in and help.
DD went back to work and her office is already a flurry of positives ... her boss, her team member and many others. She has had her first test and expects many more because ......... even with all these positives the office will not be closing again. Stay at your desk, sanitize everything, wash your hands, wear a mask and see you tomorrow.
OH SORRY this is so long, didn't realize it.
TLTR: Gonna be a rough ride for everyone so have a backup plan for your kids.
My kids are out of school but my DD did graduate high school early by taking extra classes online (2 semesters English, 2 semesters Finance, 1 semester Economics and 1 semester Personal Fitness), and honestly she learned more from those classes than most her in classroom ones. It is possible to be a high quality education but depends on system and student.
My DS works for the school system (100,000) and has a huge group of friends who are long term and newer teachers in elementary, middle and high school, administrators, special ed teachers, coaches, bus drivers ..... and they are all very concerned about going back. I'm not sure why people think they will be unemployed if there is no in class school .... quite the opposite, they will be doing online teaching that involves lots more paperwork and minimal support. Some will also have young children at home they will be helping with their assignments. Now the folks who likely will be on extended furlough are the bus drivers, cafeteria workers and the specialists like therapists, librarians and elective teachers.
Our system we live in is huge and every week the meetings with staff resulted in strange or no information on how anything was going to work. Not until the last few weeks have they put possibilities out there to the staff. To parents all that has been shared is delayed opening by one week. You can return to school as usual OR you can do virtual learning but it is a full year commitment, no returning in January. They have to plan for teachers and they are working on assumption they will lose some of them so can't take on students in January.
At beginning of the summer there were some extreme ideas on the table that would have been a massive undertaking. I think once it gets down to what can they afford to do it changes everything, especially when the state cut their budgets because COVID reduced state tax income.
Discussions on table ...
- Busing as usual with assigned seats. I suppose for contact tracing later since usually 2-3 to a seat.
- Arrival at school gets you temperature checked before entering building.
- If you fail temp check you are sent to a location (might be trailers) to wait until someone comes for them.
- All staff wear masks.
- Kids are to stay in one classroom as much as possible with teachers moving.
- Desks will be moved apart but 6 ft is not possible.
- High school kids move but reduced number of times ...
- No electives; no art, music, PE, engineering, etc.
- No cafeteria; kids eat in classroom bag lunch from home or school provided.
- Lunch hour will be monitored by the teachers who no longer have classes to teach.
- No substitutes, no one comes in school other than staff and kids.
- Substituting will be provided by the teachers who no longer have classes to teach.
- Teachers get crazy number of COVID days for WHEN they get sick.
- Unknown how sports will be handled but right now summer practice is happening with restrictions.
- The protocol for when positive tests happen has a VERY LOW threshold.
- The threshold is so low I can't imagine they can stay open very long.
- If they can't stay open for in class, teachers will still go to school and teach from classroom.
I asked what happens to students who chose virtual school but compete in sports ... will coming on campus be a problem??? Another thing they have to figure out.
I expect all of this to be fluid right up until they actually do start. That makes it harder for parents especially since they have to choose virtual this week ... without knowing how in-class school will work.
Administrators say they anticipate many teachers may put in paperwork to not come back in the spring.




Just so sad that a full failure at the handling of this has us even having a conversation that kids might not be able to go back or stay in school. There is no money to make school safe, no public school system has that kind of money. And rather than offer money to help them, the government is threatening to withhold what they get now. This situation didn't have to be black and white, open or close. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MASK MANDATES in March, there should have been plans in place to open school safely in this fall, there have been NONE! So because no planning, support or funding has been offered many school systems are just doing their best and for many it will be bare minimal.
It's really sad that as a country we value our children's lives and their education so little. The estimate from the Dept of Education is that 14,000 children will die of COVID when they go back to school.

DD went back to work and her office is already a flurry of positives ... her boss, her team member and many others. She has had her first test and expects many more because ......... even with all these positives the office will not be closing again. Stay at your desk, sanitize everything, wash your hands, wear a mask and see you tomorrow.
OH SORRY this is so long, didn't realize it.
TLTR: Gonna be a rough ride for everyone so have a backup plan for your kids.