Are you kidding me????

[Ppufi]

Actually I was impressed by his aim. That takes talent to kill a fly on the first try!

This.


Ugh. PETA gets on my nerves. If I wanna support animals and the environment, I'll be taking my donations to the WWF.

 

[Jenvenza]

If you belong to an organized group that engages in terrorist activities, then you are a terrorist. It's not the same as comparing it to Christians who bomb abortion clinics because the designation of Christian does not equal an organized group. Now, if we are talking about specific Christian organizations that engage in or condone these activities, then I would absolutely say that any member is a terrorist. The same as I would never say all Muslims are terrorists, I would consider any member of Al Qaeda a terrorist.

No, animal rights activists are not terrorists, but I would consider any who belong to an organization with known terrorist activity (like PETA) to be a terrorist. Belonging to an organization implies that you condone and/or participate in their actions. Even if you do not participate in illegal activities, you are still condoning their actions by doing things in their name.

I'm going to be blunt: If I see an animal rights protester I may stop to listen to what they have to say. But if I see they are doing it in the name of PETA, I will roll my eyes and walk away because that oganization has no credibility whatsoever.

Well, then I guess my new tag should say "Dis Board Terrorist." Peace loving, animal loving terrorist. You have got me nailed.

Roll your eyes all you want. I am sure they are rolling theirs right back at you.

No, they are NOT all treated poorly. You don't want to be lumped into a category of terrorists, so please do not lump my knowledge into a category either. Obviously YOU do not know animal researchers, or you would know that not all of these researchers treat their animals badly. I agree with you that stem -cell research is an exciting, new opportunity to be looked into, but who do you think the scientists are doing the initial research on? Like I stated on my previous post, there are many drugs that use animals for a "cure" or "maintenance" of an illness. And yes it is true that animals and humans have different genetic codes, but I am very grateful that the little hamster gave up it's life so that I can walk. Hopefully in the future she won't have to, but for now...I still AGREE with animal research.

So, from what you have implied throughout all of your postings, is that you don't want animal research, but you do want PEOPLE to be researched on. If you don't want people to be researched on, then how are the researchers supposed to get results?

I understand your beliefs for animal rights, and I think it is wonderful that you don't do the illegal things that some PETA members do, but still maintain your beliefs in the organization You, however, cannot even see that animals are saving the lives of humans every day. I know because they saved mine. If it wasn't for animal research/ the use of animal parts I would probably be dead by now. I know many people with heart valve transplants think that way too. I guess what I am saying, and that you are disagreeing with is that I would rather an animal die than me. That may be selfish, but I don't know too many people who would think differently when faced with a life or death situation.

I am very happy you can walk and that animal research did work for you. Yes, I am against animal research and always will be. We will have to agree to disagree about that. I think stem-cell research is the way to go or with human volunteers. And I have done A LOT of research on this topic, as am I sure you have, since you had an illness that needed to be cured. The fact is, animal research is barbaric and dated and most of the time not effective. I am not here trying to change your mind about how you feel, I am just stating what I believe in. And I realize nothing is going to change when it comes to this in the near future. Did you know medical research on animals is the only thing still mandated by law? But cosmetic companies and others companies still test in animals. When I have done protests, it has been against those companies and not medical researchers.

Again, you can call me a terrorist or whatever else you like. But I know what kind of person I am, and it is someone who my daughter can be proud of and animals can call a friend. And I even have a few human friends as well.

 

[Jenvenza]

This.


Ugh. PETA gets on my nerves. If I wanna support animals and the environment, I'll be taking my donations to the WWF.

They are a wonderful organisation.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

I'm sorry you are taking this personally, but I have to agree with the Bush decision (can't believe I would ever say that.) If you choose to align yourself with a group with known terrorist activity, I don't see how you can expect anything different. If I was a part of an organization that participated in and condoned illegal and even violent activities I would expect to be judged the same way. I don't care if they roll their eyes at me or believe I am a horrible person because I choose to support organizations that get their points across without the histrionics or illegal activities. I would rather support a credible organization than a group that has no respect for the law.

 

[Jenvenza]

I'm sorry you are taking this personally, but I have to agree with the Bush decision (can't believe I would ever say that.) If you choose to align yourself with a group with known terrorist activity, I don't see how you can expect anything different. If I was a part of an organization that participated in and condoned illegal and even violent activities I would expect to be judged the same way. I don't care if they roll their eyes at me or believe I am a horrible person because I choose to support organizations that get their points across without the histrionics or illegal activities. I would rather support a credible organization than a group that has no respect for the law.

Not taking it personally at all. I actually find it funny, because if it werent for Bush, no one would think that.

And Christians align themselves together, so I guess they are all terrorists, too. Because there are some radical ones who have been known to do terrorist acts all in the name of christianity. There is no difference. And it is all absurd.

And most of these acts of terrorism that every keep speaking of, comes from the group ALF, not PETA. Do some research. The Animal Liberation Front. And they are all a bunch of wackos. I believe in what they stand for, but not the way the go about it. And I would never give them money or become a part of their organisation.

 

[Scurvy]

Not taking it personally at all. I actually find it funny, because if it werent for Bush, no one would think that.

And Christians align themselves together, so I guess they are all terrorists, too. Because there are some radical ones who have been known to do terrorist acts all in the name of christianity. There is no difference. And it is all absurd.

And most of these acts of terrorism that every keep speaking of, comes from the group ALF, not PETA. Do some research. The Animal Liberation Front. And they are all a bunch of wackos. I believe in what they stand for, but not the way the go about it. And I would never give them money or become a part of their organisation.

There most certainly is a difference. Likening Christianity as a whole to PETA is a flawed comparison. It would be a much more apt comparison to say that Christianity as a whole equates to all animal rights groups. They may share a common belief, but that doesn't mean that they are all members of the same organization. Using your logic, if you are going to lump all the different Christian groups together as "Christians" then ALF and PETA should be lumped together under the banner of "Animal Rights Groups". Different organizations have different beliefs, different causes that they support and different tactics that they are willing to take to achieve their goals - they are not all the same.

There were plenty of people who considered PETA to be a terrorist group long before Bush, myself among them.

Some us us have already done our research and are well aware of the actions of both ALF and PETA. If you feel that PETA as a whole accurately represents your views and you feel comfortable supporting them then you have every right to do so. You shouldn't feel surprised, then, if people take your support of that organization as an indication that you also support all of their publicly stated beliefs and the tactics that they endorse.

As an animal lover, I would personally be embarrassed to be affliliated with them because their beliefs and tactics are so far from what I could ever endorse.

 

[Jynohn]

And most of these acts of terrorism that every keep speaking of, comes from the group ALF, not PETA. Do some research. The Animal Liberation Front. And they are all a bunch of wackos. I believe in what they stand for, but not the way the go about it. And I would never give them money or become a part of their organisation.

Unfortunately, though, Ingrid Newkirk herself (co-founder and President of PETA) appears to support the terrorist acts of ALF.

"I will be the last person to condemn ALF" -- Ingrid Newkirk

 

[Vixen]

like 3 years ago i was walking to a bar with a friend on Sunset Blvd. in L.A and they sprayed her Fake fur tiremed coat!!! i mean please they could atleast try to diference real from fake!

 

[joyjoy]

Wow. Some of you people are really rude.

Jenvenza, I applaud your conviction and standing up for yourself and PETA. Here's the dealio: PETA makes some people crazy because, just like the Sierra Club (called a Satanic cult by some of them) and other so-called "Tree Hugger" organizations, it's ummmmm.... how can I say this...... a little more progressive in policy than what they are comfortable with. These people I refer to seem to looooooove the fact that some PETA members have gone to extremes with their protests, because it gives them the chance to say, "They make me SICK!" "They have NO credibility!" and "They are terrorists!". If they didn't have the few zealots to use as examples, they would not have a legitimate outlet for their manufactured outrage. If PETA sent out the word today that from now on, nothing racier than a petition signing was going to take place as demonstration, the haters would still hate. People eating tasty animals? Ha ha, that is sooooo hilarious. And yes, I've seen it before. It makes me think of ignorant rednecks, frankly.

The organization HAS reduced animal cruelty in our society. So good for you and your strength of belief in what's good and kind and right. Let's go get a veggie burger and hug a tree together.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

Wow, that's quite a bit of assumption in your post.

FTR: It's not PETA's "progressive policy" that has me upset. It is their willful breaking of the law, including destruction of property, the fact that their leader condones criminal activities including arson, and some of their rather loony beliefs that make me dislike it.

I would love to see a world where animals are treated humanely. Where there is no euthanasia of perfectly healthy animals, where we have better methods for testing medicines than using animals, but I don't think we should engage in illegal activity to do that. And that is where PETA has gone wrong. I have done my research on the organization as I considered becoming a member at one point, but I decided that it was hypocritical at best and terroristic at worst.

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Soooooo if PETA is aginst animal testing for medical research...when are they going to step up and vounteer to be test subjects?

After all, it WILL save lives.

I would then support them 100 percent!

 

[torinsmom]

I was also impressed with Obama's coordination and skill! And to be fair, he shooed the little bugger twice before he smacked it. Little guy should have taken the hint!

I love animals, but somehow ants, mosquitos and flies do not quite fit in the same category. I'll leave them alone when I'm in their house, but once they get in mine, WATCH OUT!

Marsha

 

[Belle102498]

I am very happy you can walk and that animal research did work for you. Yes, I am against animal research and always will be. We will have to agree to disagree about that. I think stem-cell research is the way to go or with human volunteers. And I have done A LOT of research on this topic, as am I sure you have, since you had an illness that needed to be cured. The fact is, animal research is barbaric and dated and most of the time not effective. I am not here trying to change your mind about how you feel, I am just stating what I believe in. And I realize nothing is going to change when it comes to this in the near future. Did you know medical research on animals is the only thing still mandated by law? But cosmetic companies and others companies still test in animals. When I have done protests, it has been against those companies and not medical researchers.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I am not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change mine. I still believe that animal research is a viable form of research to help the human population. I believe with you on the point of stem-cell too, but I also think that a starting point is with animals. THEN you move on to human subjects. Again, this is not your belief and I understand that.

As far as the testing of animals for cosmetics, I believe that THAT should be mandated by law. If medical research is mandated, why not mandate these companies? I am not at all for the use of animals where the is no case of checks and balances. Although, do I think that animal testing should be stopped? Ummmmm, I don't think so, but it should be an industry where the practices are looked over VERY carefully.

BTW, I TRY to buy products that have not been tested on animals, but it is not always easy, or the thing on my mind at the time of purchase. It is, to me, an added bonus if it wasn't tested on animals, but then I wonder who was it tested on?

I openly admit, I know more about the medical side of animal research than the cosmetic side. I have friends who are researchers in the medical/educational industry, so I get their views and opinions on such things just through everyday conversation. I don't know ANYONE in the cosmetic industry. I don't even know if the 2 ever cross. My friends are STRICTLY medical/educational.

Maybe there is a better group out there to fit your needs besides PETA. It doesn't seem like you agree with their tactics even though you agree with their general mission. There are plenty of animal advocacy groups that DO NOT condone illegal behavior, and from your posts, you do not. I am just thinking a different group might be a better fit. This way you can still tell your little girl that animals are friends, but without having to try to explain why sometimes PETA people do bad things.

 

[disney1990]

Better than the song -- I swallowed a fly.

PETA - get over it!!!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I am not a big fan of President Obama but this is absolute nonsense.