Are you kidding me????

[Jynohn]

PETA is an extremely radical group which ultimately seeks to end the use of animals in any way, shape or form, including food, research, entertainment, service animals, and eventually ALL pet ownership, and they will use any means necessary to do it. Take this little gem of a quote...

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause." -- Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA.

And here's a link for quotes from Ingid Newkirk, the founder of PETA

http://www.activistcash.com/biography_quotes.cfm/bid/456

PETA, like the equally radical Humane Society of the United States, manipulate kind-hearted people into thinking that they are helping animals, while their tactics are destructive and often end up harming people and animals alike. The HSUS, despite the implication of their name, doesn't actually run or operate a single humane society or shelter. That's why I hate to see well-meaning animal lovers who end up unknowingly donating to an organization that's actively working towards ending all partnerships between man and animal, including the right to own a pet.

There is a huge difference between animal welfare and animal rights. People who are interested in animal welfare work towards erradicating cruelty and making life better for all animals, while animal rights groups believe that animals should be afforded ALL the same rights as humans, and will go to any length to see it happen. PETA and the HSUS belong in the latter group.

 

[Jenvenza]

No flames here, but I think you might have misunderstood what the Norfolk shelter is. In this instance, PETA itself IS the shelter, they control everything about it, it's the only one they actually run in the country. After accounting in the statistics for all the pets that were reclaimed by their owners, PETA didn't euthanize a lot of the animals, they basically euthanized them ALL. It is just interesting to me to see how their press releases match up with their real-life experiences. In 2008, they adopted out 7 cats & dogs while euthanizing over 2100. Some of their 'shelter' employees are also on record as having been arrested for transporting and dumping animal carcasses over the state line into North Carolina. A website, the non-partisan "Pet Connection", has some interesting comments & quotes about about the Norfolk facility: http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/27/letter-from-peta/

In 2005, on "Anderson Cooper 360", CNN aired an investigative report which included an interview with Dr. Patrick Proctor, a North Carolina vet. Dr. Proctor repeatedly gave shelter employees pets after they told him they were finding homes for the animals.
Here are some quotes from that newscast:

SANCHEZ[reporter]: Here at the Ahoskie Animal Hospital in rural North Carolina, veterinarian Patrick Proctor was used to seeing PETA representatives, especially a woman named Adria Hinkle. Hinkle would stop by regularly when Dr. Proctor had unwanted animals, ones he thought PETA might be able to find a home for.

This past summer, Hinkle and her colleague, Andrew Cook, came by in their van for this cat, named Jet (ph), And two of her kittens.

PATRICK PROCTOR, AHOSKIE ANIMAL HOSPITAL: As they were picking them up and taking them out of the cage, they were saying, my, what beautiful animals. We will have absolutely no trouble finding homes for these.

SANCHEZ: Proctor and his staff believed that PETA representatives would try and find the cats a home. They had no reason to believe otherwise.

The complete broadcast transcript is here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/16/acd.01.html

If one takes a look at the complete death statistics for PETA's Norfolk, Virginia shelter, they are even higher if you include all other pets at this facility.

agnes!

Yes, I am aware of all the animals PETA has euthanized. This is not news to me. PETA has never hid the fact that they do this. And the people who worked for PETA and dumped the animals in dumpsters were let go. That is not something Ingrid would tolerate. There are radicals in EVERY group out there. Radical Christians who bomb abortion clinics, radical republicans, radical democrats, radical muslims, and most definitely radical animal rights activists. But that doesnt mean the whole orginaztion is that way. It is just unfortuante that some crazy animal activists can give us all a bad name.

Did you know George W. Bush made it possible that everyone who was a member of PETA was considered a terrorist? Most of us are peaceful people who want any type of animal cruelty to be stopped. Now the whole fly thing may be a bit too much, but I believe in them for the most part. I have worked for them, done volunteer work and even led peaceful protests. And I have been ridiculed by many people in real life and on these and other boards for my beliefs. I would never condone violence that some radicals do, but I do believe in what they stand for. And I will always stand up for what I believe in, no matter what others think of that.

 

[Jenvenza]

When I was in high school, PETA painted my leather coat. What did my parents do? They went out and got me 2 more! A suede coat and a leather coat. So, in essence PETA killed more animals because I just got more coats to replace the one that they destroyed!

I get the whole idea of animal rights. I love animals, and I HATE to think of anyone abusing an animal. In fact, my pup is a shelter dog. BUT, there are some things that cannot be helped. I am all for the killing of insects that cause disease in the human population. Flies, mosquitos (carry west nile in my area) Deer ticks, etc. Not to mention all the other creatures that carry diseases i.e. rodents, and general varmin.

I am also for the testing of animals for MEDICAL purposes, as long as they are treated with respect. I am not saying to beat a chimp because he was a bad boy. I am saying you can still have a test animal and treat it with dignity. They are giving their lives for us, the least we can do is be kind and loving to them.

I also have a tendency to go to a meat market for our meat as opposed to a grocery store. The meat market I go to is NOT a factory farm, and their animals are treated very well. Even the slaughter is as humane as it can be.

I don't think all of PETA is bad. They did bring to light the issue of animal cruelty, but there is a point where it becomes too much. Their activism has become overzealous and people don't respond in a good way to that. PETA is basically creating hatred of their organization by being ridiculous in their saving of ALL creatures. So, the message that they originally gave (to treat animals with dignity and respect) has become overshadowed by their "new message" of never killing anything for any reason.

Just a few thoughts!

There is no animal used for medical research that is treated in a loving way. They live horrible lives in cages and never see the sunlight. It is absolutely horrifying the way these animals are being used. And even the founder of the cure for Polio said there was no need for medical animal research. And there is expecially no need to have cosmetics tested on them. Arghhhh....dont get me started on that one!!!

 

[Jynohn]

I have worked for them, done volunteer work and even led peaceful protests. And I have been ridiculed by many people in real life and on these and other boards for my beliefs. I would never condone violence that some radicals do, but I do believe in what they stand for. And I will always stand up for what I believe in, no matter what others think of that.

Do you condone PETA's practice of going to dog shows and deliberately letting dogs out of their crates, putting them at risk of being lost, stolen, or hit by cars? I'm not asking to be snarky. This is a common PETA practice and I'm wondering if you agree with it.

 

[Jenvenza]

Do you condone PETA's practice of going to dog shows and deliberately letting dogs out of their crates, putting them at risk of being lost, stolen, or hit by cars? I'm not asking to be snarky. This is a common PETA practice and I'm wondering if you agree with it.

I am used to snarky comments from people who don't agree with what I believe in. I do not agree with putting any animals at risk of being lost or being hurt. I would never do anything illegal either. Now, do I agree with the dog shows? Absolutely not. Nor do I agree with breeding dogs or cats. I would protest outside of the dog shows, but I would not go in and let any dogs out of their cages. And actually I have protested at the dog shows and no one has ever gone in and let dogs out or even suggested it. So it must not be that common.

 

[luvmy3jewels]

I have been a PETA member for a long time, and they have never hid the fact that they have to euthanize a lot of the animals they get from shelters. Most are too sick to be adopted or have diseases that cannot be healed. They dont euthanize animals to be mean.


People may not believe in everything that PETA does, but you have to remember, they are an animal activist group.

Flame away!

This reminds me, I wonder what happened to the PETA employees who were caught euthanizing animals out of a van that was parked in a parking lot. They caught them after someone kept finding dead animals in a dumpster for a strip mall (I think it was somewhere around Williamston, NC). If I remember right, the animal shelter was turning over the animals to PETA thinking they were going to find homes for them.

Sorry, probaby shouldn't have brought it up...but just wondered. I actually think there is a place for PETA, just like there is a place for almost an organization that champions animal or human rights. Where PETA and other orgs (ACLU, etc) go wrong is with extremism like this fly incident. Although, I guess this is a way for them to keep their name in the news.

 

[paintnolish]

Shh...don't tell them I accidentally squashed a suicidal anole last week at CSR.

 

[Jynohn]

I am used to snarky comments from people who don't agree with what I believe in. I do not agree with putting any animals at risk of being lost or being hurt. I would never do anything illegal either. Now, do I agree with the dog shows? Absolutely not. Nor do I agree with breeding dogs or cats. I would protest outside of the dog shows, but I would not go in and let any dogs out of their cages. And actually I have protested at the dog shows and no one has ever gone in and let dogs out or even suggested it. So it must not be that common.

I'm not sure that it's all the uncommon as it's been reported on many of the showdog lists that I'm a member of, but I'm glad to hear that you don't condone it if it is true. As long as you respect the law and don't put people, animals, or property at risk, I respect your right to stand up for what you believe in. I happen to strongly disagree with you, but you do have the right to peacefully voice your opinion.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

I'm sorry, but IMO, PETA does absolutely no good whatsoever. They condone criminal activity and are so extreme that bringing up their name makes people cringe. If you make a complete fool of yourself, nobody is going to listen to what you have to say even if what you do actually have a good point this time. Going after a high school because of a fundraiser for Special Olympics, getting pissed off over a stinking fly, throwing paint on people, etc. This organization has zero credibility in my mind.

 

[ford family]

Did you know George W. Bush made it possible that everyone who was a member of PETA was considered a terrorist? .

Yup, and I agree with him. Any organisation which forces its views on others by terrorising them is a terrorist organisation as far as I am concerned.

ford family

 

[PatsMom]

I have to agree that some PETA tactics fall under the term terrorism. Wilfull destruction of property, trying to scare people into following their way, they are criminals breaking the law and should be prosecuted.

To get this excited over a fly is absolutely ridiculous.

According to my DD, PETA should stand for "People Eating Tasty Animals".

 

[tasha99]

I'm sorry, but IMO, PETA does absolutely no good whatsoever. They condone criminal activity and are so extreme that bringing up their name makes people cringe. If you make a complete fool of yourself, nobody is going to listen to what you have to say even if what you do actually have a good point this time. Going after a high school because of a fundraiser for Special Olympics, getting pissed off over a stinking fly, throwing paint on people, etc. This organization has zero credibility in my mind.

I'd go further than saying they do no good. They're so outrageous and inhumane that they do harm to the cause of animal rights. I have a gut reaction that anything they're for must be short sighted and immoral, though obviously they must have some things right. I just don't respect a group that can't even be bothered to follow the law and that kills so many animals while pretending to look after their welfare.

 

[Jenvenza]

I'm not sure that it's all the uncommon as it's been reported on many of the showdog lists that I'm a member of, but I'm glad to hear that you don't condone it if it is true. As long as you respect the law and don't put people, animals, or property at risk, I respect your right to stand up for what you believe in. I happen to strongly disagree with you, but you do have the right to peacefully voice your opinion.

Well, thank you for being civil about this even though we disagree. I always try to be civil, but people always get very upset when they know I am an animal rights activist and try to make it out to be this horrible thing. Like I said, I would never do anything illegal, and would never condone anyone doing something illegal, but I do stand up for what I believe in, in a peaceful way. And every time I have worked for PETA, they do the same.

Yup, and I agree with him. Any organisation which forces its views on others by terrorising them is a terrorist organisation as far as I am concerned.

ford family

So, you think I am a terrorist, because I belong to a group who has some radicals in it? I guess every Christian should fall in that list, too. Because bombing in the name of Jesus is no better.

I have to agree that some PETA tactics fall under the term terrorism. Wilfull destruction of property, trying to scare people into following their way, they are criminals breaking the law and should be prosecuted.

To get this excited over a fly is absolutely ridiculous.

According to my DD, PETA should stand for "People Eating Tasty Animals".

Your DD is getting that slogan from a website with the same name. They are a horrible group of people. And not just because they eat meat.

Animal Rights does not equal terrorist.

 

[Scurvy]

I'd go further than saying they do no good. They're so outrageous and inhumane that they do harm to the cause of animal rights. I have a gut reaction that anything they're for must be short sighted and immoral, though obviously they must have some things right. I just don't respect a group that can't even be bothered to follow the law and that kills so many animals while pretending to look after their welfare.

I agree with this completely. I love animals. I have worked on farms, I've studied to be a vet, I have rehabilitated injured wild animals, and I abhor animal cruelty. But I just have to roll my eyes any time I see that PETA has issued a statement about anything. They have done so many stupid things that they have (in my opinion) seriously damaged the fight against cruelty to animals. It is mind boggling to me that anyone takes them seriously.

Even if they didn't euthanize perfectly healthy animals (they do) or engage in illegal activities (they do that too) I would still think they were ridiculous just based on the absurd "Sea Kitten" campaign.
This fly thing is just another confirmation that they are not based in this reality.

 

[Belle102498]

There is no animal used for medical research that is treated in a loving way. They live horrible lives in cages and never see the sunlight. It is absolutely horrifying the way these animals are being used. And even the founder of the cure for Polio said there was no need for medical animal research. And there is expecially no need to have cosmetics tested on them. Arghhhh....dont get me started on that one!!!

Please do not think that ALL animals are treated cruelly because they are medical research. I happen to know a few researchers who love their animals, and respect them. I have a disease where one of the "maintenance" drugs uses hamster ovaries. Do I think that the animals should be treated cruelly? No. Do I think they need to be used? Absolutely YES! If a disease could be cured because of animal research then I think it is a necessity. And how do you propose the medical community find cures and failures of drugs or the illnesses themselves if not for animal research? I mean we could always go back to using prisoners for our research instead of animals right? At least this way the animal is saved. (Please note sarcasm in the last statements)

 

[PatsMom]

Your DD is getting that slogan from a website with the same name. They are a horrible group of people. And not just because they eat meat.

Animal Rights does not equal terrorist.

I just checkout that out by Googling "people eating tasty animals". The web site doesn't have that name but the legal case filed by PETA is interesting.

I admittedly didn't research all of the links on the web site but I saw nothing horrible. A bunch of links to sites for people who eat meat, wear leather, hunt, and support necessary medical testing using animals. Pretty much describes me and my family. It does appear to be very outdated - many of the links I tried don't even work anymore. I suspect DD got the phrase more from her school where there is a very active debate between a few radical vegans who want to ban animal products from the school and the people who hunt for food who think that all meat is good.

Destroying personal property equals terrorist - doesn't matter whether you are doing it in the name of God, Allah, on behalf of animal rights, to support pro-life (or the other way around - to support abortion). It is wrong.

 

[Jenvenza]

Please do not think that ALL animals are treated cruelly because they are medical research. I happen to know a few researchers who love their animals, and respect them. I have a disease where one of the "maintenance" drugs uses hamster ovaries. Do I think that the animals should be treated cruelly? No. Do I think they need to be used? Absolutely YES! If a disease could be cured because of animal research then I think it is a necessity. And how do you propose the medical community find cures and failures of drugs or the illnesses themselves if not for animal research? I mean we could always go back to using prisoners for our research instead of animals right? At least this way the animal is saved. (Please note sarcasm in the last statements)

Oh, I do think they are all treated poorly. They do not get a say in what is happening, and I am against ALL animal research. If you do some research, you will see that medical animal research is dated and that it is most of the time not effective. Animals and humans have very different genetic makeups, and a lot of the times, something that will work on a bunny, will not work on a human. That is just a simple fact. Stem-cell research should be used and hopefully will be in the near future. That is the only way we are going to continue to find cures.

I just checkout that out by Googling "people eating tasty animals". The web site doesn't have that name but the legal case filed by PETA is interesting.

I admittedly didn't research all of the links on the web site but I saw nothing horrible. A bunch of links to sites for people who eat meat, wear leather, hunt, and support necessary medical testing using animals. Pretty much describes me and my family. It does appear to be very outdated - many of the links I tried don't even work anymore. I suspect DD got the phrase more from her school where there is a very active debate between a few radical vegans who want to ban animal products from the school and the people who hunt for food who think that all meat is good.

Destroying personal property equals terrorist - doesn't matter whether you are doing it in the name of God, Allah, on behalf of animal rights, to support pro-life (or the other way around - to support abortion). It is wrong.

I have agreed with this statement in one of my posts above. I do not believe in doing anything illegal, but to say all animal activists are terrorists, because of a few radicals, is absolutely absurd.

 

[PatsMom]

I have agreed with this statement in one of my posts above. I do not believe in doing anything illegal, but to say all animal activists are terrorists, because of a few radicals, is absolutely absurd.

That I can agree with - not all animal rights activists (or PETA members for that matter) are terrorists. Just like not all Muslims are terrorist. And all pro-life/pro-choice activists are terrorists. Only a very few select members of each group.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

If you belong to an organized group that engages in terrorist activities, then you are a terrorist. It's not the same as comparing it to Christians who bomb abortion clinics because the designation of Christian does not equal an organized group. Now, if we are talking about specific Christian organizations that engage in or condone these activities, then I would absolutely say that any member is a terrorist. The same as I would never say all Muslims are terrorists, I would consider any member of Al Qaeda a terrorist.

No, animal rights activists are not terrorists, but I would consider any who belong to an organization with known terrorist activity (like PETA) to be a terrorist. Belonging to an organization implies that you condone and/or participate in their actions. Even if you do not participate in illegal activities, you are still condoning their actions by doing things in their name.

I'm going to be blunt: If I see an animal rights protester I may stop to listen to what they have to say. But if I see they are doing it in the name of PETA, I will roll my eyes and walk away because that oganization has no credibility whatsoever.

 

[Belle102498]

Oh, I do think they are all treated poorly. They do not get a say in what is happening, and I am against ALL animal research. If you do some research, you will see that medical animal research is dated and that it is most of the time not effective. Animals and humans have very different genetic makeups, and a lot of the times, something that will work on a bunny, will not work on a human. That is just a simple fact. Stem-cell research should be used and hopefully will be in the near future. That is the only way we are going to continue to find cures.

No, they are NOT all treated poorly. You don't want to be lumped into a category of terrorists, so please do not lump my knowledge into a category either. Obviously YOU do not know animal researchers, or you would know that not all of these researchers treat their animals badly. I agree with you that stem -cell research is an exciting, new opportunity to be looked into, but who do you think the scientists are doing the initial research on? Like I stated on my previous post, there are many drugs that use animals for a "cure" or "maintenance" of an illness. And yes it is true that animals and humans have different genetic codes, but I am very grateful that the little hamster gave up it's life so that I can walk. Hopefully in the future she won't have to, but for now...I still AGREE with animal research.

So, from what you have implied throughout all of your postings, is that you don't want animal research, but you do want PEOPLE to be researched on. If you don't want people to be researched on, then how are the researchers supposed to get results?

I understand your beliefs for animal rights, and I think it is wonderful that you don't do the illegal things that some PETA members do, but still maintain your beliefs in the organization You, however, cannot even see that animals are saving the lives of humans every day. I know because they saved mine. If it wasn't for animal research/ the use of animal parts I would probably be dead by now. I know many people with heart valve transplants think that way too. I guess what I am saying, and that you are disagreeing with is that I would rather an animal die than me. That may be selfish, but I don't know too many people who would think differently when faced with a life or death situation.