Are there plans for the next DVC property?

[brownsoup]

I may be behind the loop on this one but am curious. Yatch Club Villas? Is there a maximum to the DVC growth? hmmm -Steve

 

[bicker]

There probably are plans, but they've not been made public yet. There is an ominous billboard on property that indicates that something's coming, but we don't know for sure what, yet.

My best guess is a DVC at the Contemporary Resort, replacing the existing North Garden Wing.

 

[Plutofan]

SSR will not be sold out until 2007. So I have heard that they may announce something late this year or next year but then it will probably take several years to build.

 

[bicker]

DVC may have some excess capacity at this point, with resales and such, but not much excess I don't think. A year or so without a WDW property to sell might increase resales prices a bit, which would be nice, and would help DVC sell more VB and HH, which would also be nice I suppose. However, I cannot believe that they'll let it go so long without a WDW DVC to sell.

 

[Doug Wolfe]

There have been several posts recently about a DVC resort at the Contemporary, which would obviously have access to the monorail.

If you believe the rumors that appear on these boards the DVC resort would be constructed at about the same time as a fifth WDW theme park, out toward the old air strip. One person even had a link that said the imagineers would be designing & working on these projects through 2009.

A DVC at Contemporary would make sense to me, but like another poster said, they would probably wait until SSR construction is wrapping up in 2007.

Rumors are always fun, you just have to wonder to what degree any of it is fact.

 

[bicker]

And the fifth theme park rumor is almost surely false, as Iger has made it clear that that is not the direction he's taking the company. He could actually be called to task by investors, and regulators, if he's deliberately misleading the market, so I think we can consider the fifth theme park rumor officially dead.

 

[boatboatboat]

It would seem to me that WDW would need a 5th park, if they plan on continuing to sell new DVC shares.

IMO every person they sell DVC puts more strain on the current parks.

We would never dream of going to WDW as often as we do, if not for owning DVC. I woulod imagine other people are like that also.

IMO DVC has brought more and more and more people to the parks, on a yearly basis, yet the parks haven't changed much in size since AK.

At some point in time, wouldn't WDW need to add more park space prior to selling anymore DVC?

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

The announced plan is for Eagle Pines which was put on hold by Disney. Most people doubt it will ever be built however. I strongly believe the next DVC will be at the Contemporary.

HBC

 

[loveswdw]

It would seem to me that WDW would need a 5th park, if they plan on continuing to sell new DVC shares.

IMO every person they sell DVC puts more strain on the current parks.

We would never dream of going to WDW as often as we do, if not for owning DVC. I woulod imagine other people are like that also.

IMO DVC has brought more and more and more people to the parks, on a yearly basis, yet the parks haven't changed much in size since AK.

At some point in time, wouldn't WDW need to add more park space prior to selling anymore DVC?

We may definitely be in the minority here but we don't do parks much anymore. We did Epcot last trip due to F&W Fest but didn't go into the other parks hardly at all. Our March 2005 trip we went a split day to MK/AK. That was the only time we entered parks on our whole 6 day trip. One day out of 6. We use our DVC more as a resort vacation now than ever. WDW offers so much outside the parks to do unless there's something we are dying to do again or something new, you won't see us too much in the parks. I think the longer we own DVC the more our park time decreases. That's just our habits though. I know there's a ton of members on this board who still go to the parks everyday.

But have to add that our upcoming Dec. trip we will probably be in the parks everyday!

 

[bicker]

IMO every person they sell DVC puts more strain on the current parks.

I disagree. Every person they sell DVC to drains guests from regular hotels. DVC has very little impact, overall, on attracting folks to Orlando, in itself.

The announced plan is for Eagle Pines which was put on hold by Disney. Most people doubt it will ever be built however.

That last bit is news to me. Why are people saying that? Has the market reached saturation? That would make sense to me. With SSR, there are A LOT of DVC rooms out there now. It very-well may make lots of sense to focus on building smaller DVC add-ons to deluxe resorts; that does seem to be what the market is willing to pay the most for.

 

[boatboatboat]

I disagree. Every person they sell DVC to drains guests from regular hotels. DVC has very little impact, overall, on attracting folks to Orlando, in itself.

I don't agree.

prior to owning DVC we went to WDW every 3 years. Now we go every year. I think many owners are this way. Where people who stayed at a CASH room went every 2-3 years, DVC owners go every year. Heck that is the reason WDW came up with tyhe DVC concept to get those billfolds coming back MORE often.....

Also when we came before it was just my wife, and daughter and I. Now with a larger 2 bedroom, we often bring a quest. We never would have in the past offered to pay for someone elses lodging.....

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

That last bit is news to me. Why are people saying that? Has the market reached saturation? That would make sense to me. With SSR, there are A LOT of DVC rooms out there now. It very-well may make lots of sense to focus on building smaller DVC add-ons to deluxe resorts; that does seem to be what the market is willing to pay the most for.

It was my opinion based on what I read here, on other web sites and in other media outlets. We agree on the future focus. Look at how fast and how popular the BCV and VWL were. It only makes sense to not do any big stand-alone projects like EP and concentrate on smaller projects (with existing infaststructure) like the Contemporary.

If anyone thinks Eagle Pines will ever be built, I'd love to hear why.

HBC

 

[boatboatboat]

If anyone thinks Eagle Pines will ever be built, I'd love to hear why.

No more prime land to build on. If there was more land around the BWV,BCV,BY club,BW INN then WDW would have built SSR there. There wasn't, so they didn't.......

This is more reason why I think WDW will build a 5th park, to give DVC more cahnces of building a true ON SITE resort that will command top dollar for reservations to DVC members and cash customers alike.

 

[Daitcher]

There probably are plans, but they've not been made public yet. There is an ominous billboard on property that indicates that something's coming, but we don't know for sure what, yet.

My best guess is a DVC at the Contemporary Resort, replacing the existing North Garden Wing.

OH BICKER, BICKER, BICKER. That sign has been down for a month or more. Webmaster Doc posted pictures of the current sign and everything. It is just a new DVC sign, nothing more. Why are we talking new DVC offerings when they can't even sell SSR? They should focus there before moving on. I refuse to speculate anymore because DVC management hasn't proven to be the brightest group. Nothing would surprise me anymore. A sign to advertise a sign. Now that is a good one.


DAVE

 

[Daitcher]

SSR will not be sold out until 2007. So I have heard that they may announce something late this year or next year but then it will probably take several years to build.

They wish 2007. Signs now point to 2009. Sales are not going well. I haven't used this trump card yet but I will here. One of my best friends is a former DVC guide. He relocated last year and no longer works for DVC. He is still in contact with many former co-workers. He told me not long ago that sales are disappointing at best right now. Without the F&F sales had practically stalled to a stand still. Yet we stil see glowing reviews of SSR. I wonder who is posting those?


DAVE

 

[Daitcher]

It was my opinion based on what I read here, on other web sites and in other media outlets. We agree on the future focus. Look at how fast and how popular the BCV and VWL were. It only makes sense to not do any big stand-alone projects like EP and concentrate on smaller projects (with existing infaststructure) like the Contemporary.

If anyone thinks Eagle Pines will ever be built, I'd love to hear why.

HBC

I agree HBC, there are no reasons for that resort to be built. SSR is a flop and that resort would be even worse. What would be the draw there, golf? So many other options available to go that route. I don't agree with Bicker, a 5th park will be built eventually. When is the key. Iger can say what he wants now but he doesn't hold all the cards. In order for WDW to grow an addition is needed. How much more busines can the parks do. This year around New Years, Magic Kingdom was locked down because it had reached capacity. This happened three days this past year. With the current parks there is only so much business they can do. How can DVC or Disney increase rooms without adding more? Business will go the other way if they don't. Crazy busy parks year round isn't fun and won't help get repeat business.


DAVE

 

[bicker]

As many folks have pointed out in the past, there is more than enough to do in the existing parks, for anyone, for a whole week. Until the United States makes two week vacations standard, that'll be the case. Any "fifth park" is far more than 10 years away. Iger is going to focus on adding to and enhancing the existing parks.

 

[cobbler]

So here is a good question. IF SSR sales are going bad why don't they halt construction on the other 6 bldgs? Have they started any of those yet? Or why don't they stop right now altogther and scrap the additional bldgs?

That would make more sense to me.

 

[bicker]

And they've done something similar with Pop Century.

It could, however, be that the timeshare was defined in the Master Deed in such a way that they are compelled to finish the project. I doubt Disney would lock themselves in like that, though. Typically, these things are divided up into phases, and the developer has a right to decide when, and if, any subsequent phase will be undertaken.

 

[Doug Wolfe]

I think it is more likely SSR construction will be done in 2007. It will be a year or two more before it sells out.