Apparently I dislike FP+...alot

[Jennasis]

I just wouldn't stop myself from going to a place I love, even on a day trip, based on a fear that I won't like FP+. You honestly never know until you try it!

How about tripe? Brains? Balut? Heck, I've got a barn full of horse manure...care to try some? But food is different you say? How about a vacation to Siberia? Sierra Leone? North Korea? BTW, I'm not comparing Disney World with eating gross food or visiting an Ebola infested country, I'm only talking about the "you don't know until you try" mentality.

Some things I think people CAN absolutely say "no thanks, not for me" without trying first. Those things are subjective. If someone can look at FP+ and conclude it's not their thing then so be it.

 

[CTDisneyfan816]

Have you been there since FP+ was fully rolled out? If not, maybe it's worth giving it a try since you won't have a lot of $ invested in it anyway. You never know...

I went in July with ZERO FP+ in hand on my flight down. I stayed with friends and we were able to get pretty much what we wanted sans 7DTR and TSM (which wasn't a big deal to us). And even though it was the crowded season we still got on all the rides we wanted. I would say if going in the non-crowded season FP+ are nice but not a necessity. I certainly wouldn't "not go" just because of that, but it's up to the OP.

 

[Suvadoo]

I'm sorry for those for whom FP+ has made a Disney trip less enjoyable. I have a friend who's a Disney maniac and he is one of those who had the legacy FP down to a science by rope dropping and running from place to place to maximize headliners. I totally get why he and others who milked legacy FP for all it was worth are unhappy with the new system.

For my part, I consider it mostly a positive experience now that I've been through it. I was a little apprehensive at first as I am not a compulsive planner and our 2014 trip was the first where I had to deal with not only FP+, but also table service ADRs.

But once I started doing it, I found that FP+ actually made it easier to plan an itinerary that would allow us to see everything we wanted and still make our ADRs on time. By spending a little extra time planning up front, our 2014 trip was much more efficient and relaxed than our past two trips and I can't imagine doing it another way again. And let's face it, planning for a Disney trip is fun in itself!

It does have its downsides. Like others have mentioned I did notice an increase in standby waits on rides that didn't have legacy FP, for example PotC. But I wouldn't say it was egregious, at least not at the time of year we went. Longest line we waited in all week was 35 minutes, and that was for TSMM. I'll take it.

Change is hard, and when you're paying a lot of hard earned vacation dollars to The Mouse you absolutely deserve the best trip possible. For me, FP+ enhanced my experience. I hope everyone is able to make the best of it and still have a memorable time!

I guess we know how you feel about people who "milked" the legacy FP system. I don't know how that was done, but that's your opinion. I don't think the change to FP+ is hard for you, since you obviously like it. Totally different for those who don't.

 

[floralmouse]

Wait times increasing on average on minute. Not what this report shows. http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorized...d-attractions/

I can't get that link to work. What can I put in the search engine to find it?

ETA: I found it.

 

[smitch425]

I guess we know how you feel about people who "milked" the legacy FP system. I don't know how that was done, but that's your opinion. I don't think the change to FP+ is hard for you, since you obviously like it. Totally different for those who don't.

You seem to be very hostile towards anyone who likes this system. There is nothing in that post that indicates any feeling (other than empathy) one way or the other towards people who milked the system for all it was worth. There is nothing wrong with saying people did, either, because people did it. Milking something for all it is worth is not a negative statement. It is a fact. People used legacy Fastpass to its fullest advantage, just like people use FP+ to its fullest advantage.

 

[mesaboy2]

You seem to be very hostile towards anyone who likes this system. There is nothing in that post that indicates any feeling (other than empathy) one way or the other towards people who milked the system for all it was worth. There is nothing wrong with saying people did, either, because people did it. Milking something for all it is worth is not a negative statement. It is a fact. People used legacy Fastpass to its fullest advantage, just like people use FP+ to its fullest advantage.

I believe "milking" in this context has a negative connotation. Still and all, the PP's general points I have no issues with.

At least they didn't use the word "cheaters" as some poster did a few weeks back. I'm still not sure that poster understood the clear insult they were using.

 

[Fenway1970]

I guess we know how you feel about people who "milked" the legacy FP system. I don't know how that was done, but that's your opinion. I don't think the change to FP+ is hard for you, since you obviously like it. Totally different for those who don't.

Be careful with your assumptions.

I didn't mean "milked" in a negative way. Perhaps a better way of stating it would be that I understand why those who used the old system to its fullest potential are now displeased with the new one.

Also, in no way did I demean or dismiss the opinions of those who don't like FP+. I merely stated that my experience with it was positive.

It's clear you don't like FP+. That's fine. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it. I'm truly sorry FP+ has diminished your experience.

 

[Fenway1970]

I believe "milking" in this context has a negative connotation. Still and all, the PP's general points I have no issues with.

At least they didn't use the word "cheaters" as some poster did a few weeks back. I'm still not sure that poster understood the clear insult they were using.

There was no insult intended by my use of the word "milking," and if it came across as such I sincerely apologize.

 

[mesaboy2]

There was no insult intended by my use of the word "milking," and if it came across as such I sincerely apologize.

No worries. I thought it was a good post overall.

 

[CTDisneyfan816]

There was no insult intended by my use of the word "milking," and if it came across as such I sincerely apologize.

I didn't take it as negative either. When a system is around awhile and people get experienced with it, they will get to the point where they know the ins and outs of it and maximize their experience. So it becomes a "good" system for them. Now change comes and they don't know all the ins and outs so it's frustrating during the learning process. But I have a feeling once the FP+ system is memorized the negatives will be fewer than they are now.

 

[Suvadoo]

Be careful with your assumptions.

I didn't mean "milked" in a negative way. Perhaps a better way of stating it would be that I understand why those who used the old system to its fullest potential are now displeased with the new one.

Also, in no way did I demean or dismiss the opinions of those who don't like FP+. I merely stated that my experience with it was positive.

It's clear you don't like FP+. That's fine. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it. I'm truly sorry FP+ has diminished your experience.

Yes, using the system to it's fullest potential is a much nicer way of putting it. Thank you.

 

[Praying Colonel]

I take a back seat to no one in my dislike for FP+, but if I were at the Swolphin for a weekend there's no way I could stay away from WDW. If nothing else, I'd go to EP and tour WS those days, doing something right on my doorstep that doesn't require FP+ at all.

 

[Suvadoo]

You seem to be very hostile towards anyone who likes this system. There is nothing in that post that indicates any feeling (other than empathy) one way or the other towards people who milked the system for all it was worth. There is nothing wrong with saying people did, either, because people did it. Milking something for all it is worth is not a negative statement. It is a fact. People used legacy Fastpass to its fullest advantage, just like people use FP+ to its fullest advantage.

Really, I'm not hostile toward people who like the new system, but I think FP+ has been added to rides that never needed it, like Figment. When you posted about how great the system is, you used examples of rides that are walk ons. I'll bet when you used it at MK, it was for headliners. Correct? I'm glad the system works for you. I just wish Disney had invested in more attractions for Epcot and HS before they implemented FP+

However, the term "Milked" does in fact have a negative connotation and it has been cleared up with the person who used it.

 

[smitch425]

Really, I'm not hostile toward people who like the new system, but I think FP+ has been added to rides that never needed it, like Figment. When you posted about how great the system is, you used examples of rides that are walk ons. I'll bet when you used it at MK, it was for headliners. Correct? I'm glad the system works for you. I just wish Disney had invested in more attractions for Epcot and HS before they implemented FP+

However, the term "Milked" does in fact have a negative connotation and it has been cleared up with the person who used it.

Epcot was the only park that we had to do same day FP reservations for. Everything else was set at 60 days. It was used as an example to show that even if you get there late in the day with nothing planned out, the system provides enough flexibility to make for an enjoyable day. For our MK days, we had mine train two days and A & E one day. The rest were things like Splash, pirates, and HM. All rides that are typically more than a 30 minute wait when we are there. We were able to repeat rides and get return times for our 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. FP that were very close to, if not the current timeframe. We have never had that experience under the legacy system, and we used legacy as much as possible (without going out of our way to truly maximize it). Is it a perfect system? No, but neither was legacy. The legacy system was rigid, not flexible (once they began enforcing the return times), and headliners were long gone before early afternoon in some cases. While the new system has it's flaws, its benefits (for our family) far outweigh its drawbacks.

 

[Suvadoo]

Epcot was the only park that we had to do same day FP reservations for. Everything else was set at 60 days. It was used as an example to show that even if you get there late in the day with nothing planned out, the system provides enough flexibility to make for an enjoyable day. For our MK days, we had mine train two days and A & E one day. The rest were things like Splash, pirates, and HM. All rides that are typically more than a 30 minute wait when we are there. We were able to repeat rides and get return times for our 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. FP that were very close to, if not the current timeframe. We have never had that experience under the legacy system, and we used legacy as much as possible (without going out of our way to truly maximize it). Is it a perfect system? No, but neither was legacy. The legacy system was rigid, not flexible (once they began enforcing the return times), and headliners were long gone before early afternoon in some cases. While the new system has it's flaws, its benefits (for our family) far outweigh its drawbacks.

That's great, it sounds like you were able to use FP+ to it's fullest at MK. It sounds like you had a fabulous time. That's all anyone wants from a WDW trip. I agree Legacty was rigid when they enforced return times, but I think FP+ is also rigid for the same reason. I wish they had a 2 hour window for return times.

 

[Laketravis]

I like FP+

I don't like tiers, being limited to three, not being able to select the same attraction more than once, needing to reserve up to 60 days in advance or risk not getting an FP for our favorites, and not being able to reserve FP's for multiple parks on the same day.

But I like FP+

 

[dae3dae3]

Why don't you go complain about it in one of the other 900 posts I've had to see spamming this forum in the last year on this topic? Frankly I'm sick of seeing them. You hate FP+ and I hate seeing these stupid threads over and over multiple times a day. There is usually three or four of them at a time on the front page. I wish the moderators would start locking them.

 

[surferdave]

The legacy system was rigid, not flexible (once they began enforcing the return times), and headliners were long gone before early afternoon in some cases.

I believe the only reason they ever started enforcing return times was in preparation for FP+, because there was no reason to do so otherwise. I know it got under some people's skin that there was a time printed on the ticket and it was ignored by WDW and guests alike but it served no purpose; all of the benefits of the virtual queue were gained by limiting the beginning return time. If lots of guests saved their FP-'s until closing and tried to use them then it would be a problem but that many guests just never stayed late. All of the images and stories of the fastpass return lines stacking up have come since introduction of FP+.

The headliners that would be gone by afternoon were the ones in the parks with too few attractions like TSMM and Soarin that oddly enough are not high demand headliners in California where they are in a park with plenty of attractions. The new system was not the solution to this problem.

 

[Suvadoo]

Why don't you go complain about it in one of the other 900 posts I've had to see spamming this forum in the last year on this topic? Frankly I'm sick of seeing them. You hate FP+ and I hate seeing these stupid threads over and over multiple times a day. There is usually three or four of them at a time on the front page. I wish the moderators would start locking them.

If you don't like the thread why don't you focus your attentions to a thread you do like or one that interests you? No one is forcing you to read this or to participate. If this topic was not popular, the thread would not be on the front page.

 

[itchin2go]

Why don't you go complain about it in one of the other 900 posts I've had to see spamming this forum in the last year on this topic? Frankly I'm sick of seeing them. You hate FP+ and I hate seeing these stupid threads over and over multiple times a day. There is usually three or four of them at a time on the front page. I wish the moderators would start locking them.

Why are people not entitled to express their opinion?

I could see if one person was spamming the board with a constant barrage of "i hate fp+" posts, those would be removed. But I think the posts you're seeing are from unique users. If more than one person hates FP+, why is that not a valid topic?

For me, I'm getting ready to take my first FP+ trip next month, and I read all the comments with great interest. I like to hear what people liked, what they didn't, what worked for them, what didn't. The more I know, the better prepared I'll be.

To be fair, I read the "fp+ is great" threads with just as much interest at the "fp+ sucks" threads. But why is one more valid than the other?