Apparently I dislike FP+...alot

[smitch425]

Yeah, the practice of jacking up the SB times at end of day for big rides has been a staple for Disney. And actually that makes sense to me. Just feels like these more recent reports are occurring throughout the day, which is indeed really crappy. With enough reports of "I was at 7DMT at 10:00 in the morning and the posted time said 60 minutes, but it was less than 15", that's going to be a problem when it really is 60 minutes. It just creates more uncertainty, and points to the fact that they want to control your vacation...not you.

Aside from the inflated wait times issue (and maybe some of the inflation is due to not knowing when people will show up to use their FP), FP+ puts guests in much more control than legacy ever did. One of the many reasons we love the new system over the old.

 

[wisblue]

Actually I didn’t say FP+ only allows guests to ride 3-4 attractions in a day. You took what I sad and interpreted to suite your argument. What I actually said,” If FP+ only allows me to ride 3-4 attractions without a long wait, then the cost of each attraction increases to $19.” Kind of changes things a bit doesn’t it? I was referring directly to myself in this statement, not to anyone else.

Also, I was commenting on LuckyBee’s post. She was saying that on her trip she did her FP attractions and then left the park.

Honestly, I can't figure out how my name came up when I pushed the quote button. It's never happened before. Perhaps it was a computer glitch? But maybe you would benefit from some remedial calsses yourself, my name is not Suavado.

Sorry if I offended you by mistyping your screen name. Please let's not sink to the level of criticizing typos. That's a lot different than a mistake that appears to attribute an entire quote to the wrong person.

If your comment about only doing 3-4 rides in a day was meant to apply to you only, you could have clarified that several responses ago. LuckyBee's comment on this thread about leaving the park after 3-4 attractions came AFTER your comment and my response, so there's no way I could have known you were referencing that.

 

[Planogirl]

Aside from the inflated wait times issue (and maybe some of the inflation is due to not knowing when people will show up to use their FP), FP+ puts guests in much more control than legacy ever did. One of the many reasons we love the new system over the old.

It doesn't if you don't like to preplan. As wisblue has pointed out, it really depends on how you prefer to tour.

 

[Suvadoo]

I call it "propaganda +".

Well Said

 

[wisblue]

Before getting too excited about this site and drawing conclusions about how inflated wait times are, it might be a good idea to watch it for a while to see what it says.

For example, I looked at it just now and it shows the posted time for the mine train as 75 minutes and the actual time as 49 minutes. That may be more like erring on the side of caution than propaganda. Wait times in the first hour or so for a very popular attraction have to be the toughest to state accurately because the crowd is still pouring in.

I will say, that either a posted wait time of 75 minutes or an actual wait time of 49 minutes isn't bad for a day on which some expected the ride to be FP+ only.

 

[cakebaker]

I don't mind the inflated wait times at the end of the day. I've always thought WDW quite generous in allowing guests to queue up right up until the last minute. Not all places do that. Some start shuttering the doors half an hour before the park closes. I'll take inflated times over that any day of the week.

Why the times aren't accurate during the day-if they aren't- I have no idea. I'm not going to jump to the most sinister and negative possibilities when we have no real way of knowing.

 

[smitch425]

It doesn't if you don't like to preplan. As wisblue has pointed out, it really depends on how you prefer to tour.

Under legacy, you had to take the FP time that was given to you with your only choices being use it or don't use it. With FP+, your choices are not to use it, use it for the time you have, change it to a different time, change it to a different attraction or change it to a different attraction at a different time. We routinely changed things around based on where we were or if we needed to eat, or if we wanted to leave the park for an hour or two. We booked things at 60 days that we knew we would want to ride during our trip and at the approximate times we thought we would be in the area, but many of those initial picks changed the day of, many changes happening within 30 minutes of the scheduled time. If that isn't having more control over your vacation, I'm not sure what would qualify.

 

[Suvadoo]

Sorry if I offended you by mistyping your screen name. Please let's not sink to the level of criticizing typos. That's a lot different than a mistake that appears to attribute an entire quote to the wrong person.If your comment about only doing 3-4 rides in a day was meant to apply to you only, you could have clarified that several responses ago. LuckyBee's comment on this thread about leaving the park after 3-4 attractions came AFTER your comment and my response, so there's no way I could have known you were referencing that.

I'm sorry Wisblue, but I wanted to go back a review my posts pior to responding to you. I needed to know what I had said.

If you can tell me how I was able to attribute a quote made by you to me, please calrify. Please be assured I would never want anyone to assume your opinions as my own.

 

[wisblue]

I'm sorry Wisblue, but I wanted to go back a review my posts pior to responding to you. I needed to know what I had said.

If you can tell me how I was able to attribute a quote made by you to me, please calrify. Please be assured I would never want anyone to assume your opinions as my own.

Look at post 259 in this thread. I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose, but the thread has a box "originally posted by Suvadoo" but the quote in the box is actually from one of my posts.

I don't know how or why that happened.

 

[Planogirl]

Under legacy, you had to take the FP time that was given to you with your only choices being use it or don't use it. With FP+, your choices are not to use it, use it for the time you have, change it to a different time, change it to a different attraction or change it to a different attraction at a different time. We routinely changed things around based on where we were or if we needed to eat, or if we wanted to leave the park for an hour or two. We booked things at 60 days that we knew we would want to ride during our trip and at the approximate times we thought we would be in the area, but many of those initial picks changed the day of, many changes happening within 30 minutes of the scheduled time. If that isn't having more control over your vacation, I'm not sure what would qualify.

If you like to tour and just take it as it comes then the old way worked just fine. You could get to the park early and not bother with legacy (like now) but pick up legacy as you saw a time that worked. You didn't have to fool with a phone and the legacy machines acted much like the current machines.

I do agree that having all of the rides listed in one place is an advantage. I always wondered why Disney didn't do that before.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

Perhaps you missed my earlier post. For us fp+ did mean 3 or 4 then done because of standby lines. It doesn't mean it would be for someone else.
We are not going to do rope drop, nor are we willing to hang around a park for 8 or 9 hours to do 1 ride per hour.
In the past we could arrive around 10 , grab a fp for something, do 3 or 4 attractions without fp, go back for our fp ride, grab another fp have lunch, do a little bit of shopping,do another 3 or 4 rides, do our fp and leave by 2ish. We could get through 8-10 attractions in about 4 hours. In that same time frame, same hours, we could only do half as much. Sure we could have stayed longer, or done rope drop, or constantly been checking for short lines on the app etc. etc. We don't want to do that. That just doesn't work for us. Im glad it does for you, and for others who like the new system.
Im sure there are both repeat guests as well as newbies who enjoy the new way of touring. I can recognize that. I cannot however for the life of me understand why you and a couple of others cannot understand why people who once loved everything Disney are now disappointed that Disney no longer works for them.
So yes for some of us, fp+ absolutely does mean 3 or 4 then done. Why cant you accept that not everyone wants to tour the way you do?

This is us as well except after reading this thread we decided to drop the majority do our fps and just do whatever. If we're not having fun we'll just leave. We're only keeping A&E, SDMT, TSMM, and Soarin. For myself I decided to drop a MK day and keep FoF and MSEP because I don't like having someone in my personal space and because of the mess I had last time trying to keep my space I waited 2 hours for.

 

[Suvadoo]

Look at post 259 in this thread. I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose, but the thread has a box "originally posted by Suvadoo" but the quote in the box is actually from one of my posts.

I don't know how or why that happened.

I am not denying that it happened as I have said. I do not know how it happened. It was not intentional. I would never want anyone to assume something you said was my opinion. Believe me, I am very sorry it happened.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

Also last time we were at WDW there was a posted wait time for Soarin of 75 minutes. We walked on the ride. The only wait we had was getting our space in the line for when we went in to the attraction. This was before fp+

 

[Suvadoo]

Also last time we were at WDW there was a posted wait time for Soarin of 75 minutes. We walked on the ride. The only wait we had was getting our space in the line for when we went in to the attraction. This was before fp+

When was this? It's kind of disappointing to realize that the posted wait times may not be true.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Before getting too excited about this site and drawing conclusions about how inflated wait times are, it might be a good idea to watch it for a while to see what it says.

For example, I looked at it just now and it shows the posted time for the mine train as 75 minutes and the actual time as 49 minutes. That may be more like erring on the side of caution than propaganda. Wait times in the first hour or so for a very popular attraction have to be the toughest to state accurately because the crowd is still pouring in.

I will say, that either a posted wait time of 75 minutes or an actual wait time of 49 minutes isn't bad for a day on which some expected the ride to be FP+ only.

I don't think anyone is getting "excited" about this site...just discussing it.

I'm looking forward to seeing how accurate the site is next week...until then, I make no claims as to accuracy, just find it an interesting point of discussion.

 

[Fenway1970]

If you like to tour and just take it as it comes then the old way worked just fine. You could get to the park early and not bother with legacy (like now) but pick up legacy as you saw a time that worked. You didn't have to fool with a phone and the legacy machines acted much like the current machines.

I do agree that having all of the rides listed in one place is an advantage. I always wondered why Disney didn't do that before.

I agree with the bolded statement, and that's our family to a tee. The thing is, though, FP+ didn't take away from that way of touring. The extent of our planning really wasn't much more than "We'll be at this park on this day. We must do these X attractions, anything else is gravy." Trust me, we got to most of the gravy and still did all of our must dos and never felt like we were rushed or had to micromanage. It's really not that hard to be at a certain area of the park at a certain time (within an hour window), and still feel like you're "winging it" for the most part.

I'm not trying to be a crusader for FP+ as I see a lot of people don't like it and I truly wish that wasn't so. And by no means do I think it's perfect. All I can do is relay what my experience was and hopefully it will help people find a way to make it work for them.

 

[Fenway1970]

When was this? It's kind of disappointing to realize that the posted wait times may not be true.

I could be wrong (and probably am) but I always assumed the posted wait times were determined at least in part by the red cards the CMs periodically send through the standby line. We seem to get a few every time we go (my DD insists it's her job to hold them). They scan it at the beginning and end of the queue.

If the CMs at the entrance aren't being diligent about sending the cards through, and/or the guests forget to give them to the CM at the end of the line, I could see how the posted waits would be off.

 

[Planogirl]

I agree with the bolded statement, and that's our family to a tee. The thing is, though, FP+ didn't take away from that way of touring. The extent of our planning really wasn't much more than "We'll be at this park on this day. We must do these X attractions, anything else is gravy." Trust me, we got to most of the gravy and still did all of our must dos and never felt like we were rushed or had to micromanage. It's really not that hard to be at a certain area of the park at a certain time (within an hour window), and still feel like you're "winging it" for the most part.

I'm not trying to be a crusader for FP+ as I see a lot of people don't like it and I truly wish that wasn't so. And by no means do I think it's perfect. All I can do is relay what my experience was and hopefully it will help people find a way to make it work for them.

I think that FP+ becomes more annoying for some because of the balky website and the tiering and being forced to schedule three different rides and being unable to schedule for more than one park. I agree that there are ways around most of that but being nudged to ride the lesser rides hopefully isn't working as well as they probably hoped.

 

[normjen]

I wonder if it is possible, Disney is "assuming" wait times based on the amount of FP given out and the amount of people in line (red card).
But wait times are off due to people not actually using the FP due to whatever reason. (so line moves quicker because of FP "no shows". I know we had FP in January that were a waste because the SB line actually looked shorter than the FP line (I know FP will enter quicker, but the perception is still there)
My personal problem with FP+ is that , it's the American way to work harder or longer to achieve more in life. I cannot understand implementing a system where I am standing in the park ready to ride a ride (that I could do via legacy FP) and cannot now because someone who wants to sleep in already has the FP reserved 60 days ago. (because of FP+) (early bird gets the worm just became an obsolete phrase as far as Disney is concerned.)
I agree in the ten trips (or so) we also never waited in lines longer than 20 to 30 minutes, we did not have to with legacy FP. Now if you are not willing to wait you are basically out of luck for some headliners because of tiering (mainly RNR and TSM) we chose TSM for our FP and rope drop over RNC because of kids who do not like coasters.
This the 1st time we had to talk ourselves into a Disney trip, instead of when can we go back?

 

[itchin2go]

I could be wrong (and probably am) but I always assumed the posted wait times were determined at least in part by the red cards the CMs periodically send through the standby line. We seem to get a few every time we go (my DD insists it's her job to hold them). They scan it at the beginning and end of the queue.

If the CMs at the entrance aren't being diligent about sending the cards through, and/or the guests forget to give them to the CM at the end of the line, I could see how the posted waits would be off.

I've forgotten to give one back before.

Are they still doing that? I kind of thought it was possible to track magic bands now. Am I giving magic bands too much credit?