Anyone else get annoyed.. (School Supplies)

Our school not only sends in an extensive list, but are very specific: Crayola Washable crayons of x size—12 boxes!?! I just asked DS how many boxes of crayons he used last year—two! When DS was in K we had to send in 8 bottles of glue. He did not use 8 bottles of glue, I’m sure. They were always using glue sticks. And he may have used all 15 of those!

I have to send in 3, 2-pack, low-odor dry erase markers for the teacher to use (kids are not allowed near the dry erase board in case they ruin it). I have to send in 3 reams of copy paper. Never, NEVER, has he come home with 1500 pieces of white-copied paper in a year; the kids get workbooks that go along with the textbook. We do not get back our scissors or rulers or anything. The whole list is somewhere around $75-$100 per child. It bugs me to death! I don’t care that things are pooled (although DS would like “cool” pencils), I care he—or anyone in the class—doesn’t use the things and it isn’t returned.

We have seriously high school district taxes, NOT counting for the other portions of my property tax (hospital district, water district, etc). The school district gets 50% of my total property tax. And for those who live in apartments (there aren’t any at our school though due to the zoning), the property owner pays their kids portions of property tax.

It’s not so much the money or the supplies, but the way they do it. If they said we need donations of copy paper (or whatever) I’d send in quite a bit—probably a whole case (or two) of copy paper. But instead they send a list, and check it off that you sent in the whole list to their specifications. If anything is labeled, it is returned to you with a note saying all supplies must not be labeled and to send in a non-labeled replacement. If you don’t (so I hear—I always send in everything as requested), you get nasty letters and your child gets to miss recess until the list is filled as requested.

What happens if the parents don’t have the money? They get it from the community center that works with the local YMCA, local businesses and all the area churches to make sure no child goes without community supplies. They are very good about this. I know we send in a $250 check every summer to purchase school supplies for those in need.

All supplies go into a grade level storage closet (10-12 classes per grade, K-4th). And nothing returned? I spend a lot of time in the classroom and the supply closets, the size of a classroom are stuffed, even at the end of the year! What exactly do they do with the scissors and rulers at the end of the year? Throw them out? They’re on the list again the next year. I can imagine something being broken, but all of it? And what exactly do the teachers do with the $500 per teacher the PTO gives and the $500 the district provides for the teacher to buy “extra’s”?

In a world of tight economy and trying to go-green, you’d think they’d limit how much you need to spend and allow parents to re-use items. I mean really, do scissors have an expiration date? Why can’t we replace only what is needed to be replaced? Instead, my items are filling up a landfill instead of having a second year to be used. And when I spend my money on this stuff, it’s just something else I can’t spend it on. 22 cents or not (and I stock up every school year), it’s still adds up over the long run. I’m sure Starbucks or Marble Slab would like a little of money too!
 
And don't get me started on the nap mat and the change of clothes! IF my son's clothes need changed then I need a phone call, obviously there was an issue. If the kids are going to nap, send them HOME! I am tired of all day K because parents don't have daycare. And yes, that is exactly why alot of the schools in my area have gone to it!

Yes, I would want to be contacted no matter what the case of needing a new set of clothing items was. Even a spilt juice I would want to know why if it needed a change, in 4 years we have had 3 spilt drinks (no, we don't use sippy cups).

Ya know, I've taught Pre-school now for over 10 years & I have to tell you that the list of reasons a kid can need a change of clothes is a mile long. Maybe they had applesauce for lunch & missed their mouth. Perhaps they went over to see what their friend was painting & their friend turned around & swiped them with the paintbrush. I had a student a few years ago that hated to get his sleeves wet & if he had long sleeves & forgot to push them up before he washed his hands, he had to have a new shirt ASAP. When mom would pick up she'd even look at me & say 'Did his sleeves get wet?' & she just rolled with it. I also had a little girl who, as much as we tried to stop her, would occasionally stick her hands in the sides of her paint smock & wipe her hands on her shirt.

And, I've never called a parent about changing a childs clothes unless I was also calling to say 'Please pick up your child' as well.

So, I'm afraid I have to disagree strongly with you. There's not always an 'issue'. Sometimes there's just life & being with other kids & enjoying being at school.
 
This is my ds (5th grade) list, she said these are not manditory. Dd (8th) is in special ed and has never had a list sent home, our district pays for it all. I do send in hundreds of pencils for her (she loses at least 5 a day:rolleyes1 ) and other supplies and I send in extras for ds class too.
• Erasers
• Pencils
• Spiral notebook paper
• 2 pens (black or blue)
• Glue – Elmer's, and glue sticks
• Scissors (please be sure to put their name on them)
Crayons/markers/colored pencils
• 2 highlighters (yellow or orange)
• Package of dry erase markers
• 1 Sharpie Marker
• 1 plastic folder for homework. Plastic will last all year!
• Boys only - zip lock bags (gallon or quart size)
• Girls only - Box of Kleenex
• Pencil sharpener for desk (optional-it saves them time)
 
That the schools TELL you that you can not label school supplies that YOU buy so they can pass them out to other kids..:mad: I will be the first to donate to others but do not tell me what to do with the things that I pay for.:headache:

reason #652 why I'm happy to be homeschooling......:)
 

I also get annoyed at the lists. I am especially annoyed that I had to send in expo markers last year, and they weren't sent home. I am sure they weren't dry. Here is this years 2nd grade list:

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 yellow plastic-coated folder (durable) with pockets on the bottom

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 yellow highlighter

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 pair of student scissors

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]12 large glue sticks

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]4 dozen pencils (sharpened if possible)

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 durable pencil case (please be sure your child’s supplies
will fit inside and it will also fit in a full desk)

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 set of headphones (for the computer) labeled with your
child’s name (they can be found in the dollar store)

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 box Ziploc bags (Last names A-L large gallon and M-Z small quart)

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 box of baby wipes (we get messy at times)

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]2 boxes of 24 crayons

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 pack of low-odor expo markers

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans MS]1 Package of washable markers

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•1 marble composition notebook
•1 small box of sharpened pencils

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Explain to me why they need 12 LARGE glue sticks?? 48 pencils (not counting what the Spanish teacher wants). I buy the little glue sticks that I get for .20 for 2, and I will send him in with 1 of them, and with 4 pencils, and 1 pack of crayons. When he needs more supplies, I will send them in. Now to the previous poster, who teaches in a poor area..I can understand you doing what you do. I do not live in a poor area, and if you live in my town and go to our schools, you can more than afford the school supplies. I also get annoyed since I pay 10 grand a year in property taxes.​
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The reason why they need so many pencils is that the kids sharpen their pencils at least 100 times a day, plus they lose them left and right.
 
Both. We buy school supplies and our list is worded in a way that we understand that these supplies will be distributed across the classroom. I'm annoyed in that I don't want my child to be short-changed. However, we are also trying to teach our children to give unselfishly to others, etc, etc.

So to be honest I'm conflicted. I know I shouldn't be annoyed, but I do feel concerned about what my child will have.


you should be conflicted, on one hand we are told that we should be "generous" and "avoid being greedy" but at the same time the gut recognizes here is another instance of starting the not-so-subtle message that personal property is wrong & everything should belong to everyone [communism for kindergartners!] This forced "sharing" [how it can be a virtue when its mandated] does nothing to teach personal responsibility for your own belongings, does not encourage children to take care of anything and simply teaches that "things" simply appear from "somewhere".....
 
Ya know, I've taught Pre-school now for over 10 years & I have to tell you that the list of reasons a kid can need a change of clothes is a mile long.
And, I've never called a parent about changing a childs clothes unless I was also calling to say 'Please pick up your child' as well.

So, I'm afraid I have to disagree strongly with you. There's not always an 'issue'. Sometimes there's just life & being with other kids & enjoying being at school.

I'm going to agree with this post. I'm about to start my 8th year as an aide in a special ed preschool class. We ask all parents to send a change of clothes in their child's backpack everyday. If a child needs a change for any of the multitide of possible reasons, we just grab their backpack. We always send the wet/dirty clothes in a plastic bag with a quick note (accident, wet sleeves, spilled at lunch, etc.). The parents have never complained or questioned a mid-day clothing change. If they don't have a change in their backpack, we have extra "classroom clothes" that we put on the child. These are marked with our room number in permanent marker and we ask the parents to wash and return them within a day or two.

As for supplies, I send whatever the teachers ask for in my kids' classrooms. I see that some of the supplies are used by my kids and others are placed in community containers. I don't mind either way as long as my boys are getting to use the supplies they need.

In my preschool class, we have kids still in diapers. We always use the diapers brought in for each child. We put their name on them with a marker and keep them in a drawer. Kids wear different sizes, some wear pull-ups, etc. so we make sure they use what they brought. Wipes are a different story. We ask parents to donate wipes if their child is not toilet trained. Some parents write names on the packages. In reality, we only use one package of wipes at a time. It would take up a lot of space to keep 10 packs of wipes in the bathroom. And it would be time consuming to have to find the right package each time we change a child. It's easier and makes more sense to have only one package open at a time.

So, sometimes community supplies make a lot more sense. Other times, the kids use exactly what they bring.
 
I'm not "playing this card", but our tax bill every shows exactly how much of our property taxes goes to support our public schools. It's about 1/3 of the amount we pay each year to send our DS to private school.


In Michigan everyone's school tax goes in a pool in Lansing and they handle it not the local school district.
 
Between yesterday and today, I took the time to read this entire thread. Dd will be starting Kindergarten in September. She went to Pre-K last year in the public school, but the only thing the teacher asked for was a box of tissues from each child. Other than that, they needed to have a backpack, lunchbox, and folder to send papers home (kept in the backpack all the time). The teacher had an online wish list, but it included things you might have at home like buttons or plastic bags from the grocery store. I know she spent her own money on things and sent in some extra items when I could.

I learned a lot by reading through these posts. A lot of these things never occurred to me. I'm glad I didn't buy the cute notebooks and pencils when I was in Walmart yesterday! It never occurred to me that they would be pooled together. I don't really have a problem sending in extra items for kids who may not have all the supplies, but I do think it would be nice if the school asked for items that way. I will have a problem if I feel that they are stockpiling as some have posted. I'm hoping for a short list!
 
This whole thing made me realize something. My kids already know how to share. They have a strong sense of empathy. We donate as a family.

What i hope they learn from home AND in school is how to debate, disagree, and have a different opinion respectfully and with tact without attacking or berating and not having to use expletives to get their point across.

well said!!
 
I am confused as to why public school lists are so much longer and more than private school. I started noticing every year that the public school lists were longer than the same grade in private. DD attends a small private school. Our teachers make less and we provide any supplies our kids need. Our teachers do have a wish list but that is not made known really. Last year I sent a basket full of things for the teacher because I know our teachers dont make a lot and I wanted to help with the beginning of school out of pocket expenses. My tax dollars go to schools I dont use, why not give teachers an amount to help with supplies kids cant afford? Also, our JA takes up van loads of supplies to donate and I always buy for that. I still though dont understand why the lists are so much longer?! Does anyone have a clue? I realy dont mind things being pooled but we have never had to. Paper towels, etc yes but not pencil, etc. If we did, I would buy dd some of her own to use also.

This goes along with private schools that charge 1/2 of what the government school spends per child and they are able to supply books, supplies, etc.....just another one of life's little mysteries.
 
This goes along with private schools that charge 1/2 of what the government school spends per child and they are able to supply books, supplies, etc.....just another one of life's little mysteries.

In my area and experience as a teacher & parent, private schools pay teachers MUCH less than public schools

( which already pay so little when considering hours teachers spend during school day, before and after school, at home in evenings and on weekend and require continued education and training and often graduate level education ).

It seems the private schools in our area never quite have enough of things/money/highly educated teachers ( neither do public schools have enough money/supplies --but Michigan schools may be struggling slightly worse than other states in past years ???).

I looked into private schools that better serves TAG kids (talented & gifted) but ultimately couldn't afford it as well as wanted the diversity offered in pub. schools. The cheapest (a good Montessori) was charged yearly tuition that was close to the state's per pupil funding for my neighborhood district. The two others i looked into were charging 2 and 3 times that.

I'm a big believer in public schools and before having children I thought the idea of charter schools (run by a business/drawing from state public school funds) would be going to the other side. As a parent, I was relieved to have choices in MI's "schools of choice" program. I'm able to commute my kids to what i think is a much better district (still a public school) and better education for my kids for many reasons.

I'm very thankful to live in a time and place where i know my kids are going to get a good education. The school supply issue is a minor annoyance like people have said and i posted earlier. Just because we're talking about it doesn't mean its a huge issue in our lives.
 
The reason why they need so many pencils is that the kids sharpen their pencils at least 100 times a day, plus they lose them left and right.


:lmao: I volunteer in the classroom and help with the centers groups. Between the heavy hands with glue and the broken pencil tips and those creative minds going to town with their crayons it's a wonder how 12 glue sticks and 48 pencils are enough. In our school system the kids all have their own but the teacher keeps a basket for them to use as well. We would never make it through one session if they had to rely on their own supplies. They lose crayons, break pencils and I am afraid to think about what has happened to the glue :rotfl2:
 
I don't like that. I buy the crayola colors, special lefty scissors and they choose their own folders...I want those back at the end of the school year. I don't want the someone elses cheap crayons and broken ruler. Whatever school supplies my kids don't use, I want them back.

I agree with you here. There are certain supplies that can be reused each year. Scissors for example. My daughter puts a lot of care to pick out her supply box or I get a plain one that she decorates. I would like to save those. It's not the principle of what is mine is not yours to share, but what does the taecher do with left overs? She/He has no need to use them the following year bc students are bringing in new supplies. My guess is they end up in box somewhere or thrown away. IMO that is wasteful. It's the principle the education is not free, at the end of the year the extra's should be sent home with the students.
 
I've had many of those things happen that others have posted about, and I'm not really sure how I feel about it.

The school supply list specifically requested Fiskar scissors and like a good mom that is what I bought. Then at the end of the year, my son brought home a pair of 50-cent cheapies. :mad:

The boys have gone to two different public schools in town. The first one had a huge huge supply list, besides the regular supplies there were ziplocs and kleenex, and whiteboard markers & erasers, on and on it went, composition books, cardboard folders in very specific colors...

The second one, same school district, wanted half the supplies. I was telling one of the teachers that their supply list was so much shorter, and she said the school had made a specific effort to cut the list, because of the cost.

Both schools have their fair share of "poor kids". The first, gets both extremes, both the most upscale neighborhoods and the poorest, with very few in the middle. Their philosophy was to ask for twice as much, and that way they're covered, but it backfired-- it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out, and the parents with more money just wouldn't send all of it- they had no intention of buying supplies for the other kids. That school does a fundraiser I swear every month.

The second school, everyone is pretty much blue-collar with some families who are poorer. The school just makes more of an effort to accomodate, I think. They also have informal programs thru the school to take donations of old coats, stuff like that. They very intentionally plan field trips that are inexpensive (because while everyone loves a fun field trip, the kids are excited by the IDEA of a field trip, they don't really care where they're going as long as they get out of school!). They don't do 35 fundraisers and constantly ding-dong parents to buy stuff they don't want in the first place. They don't ask for elaborate donations for school parties.

I think it's just a matter of outlook. One school says "ask for twice as much, and we'll get enough to get by" and the other says "cut it down to what you think the lowest common denominator can handle".
 
Last night I saw a 2nd grade teacher from the private school my children will attend this year (my daughter was in public school for kindergarten last year) and I asked her why the private school doesn't do the community supply bucket like the public school does.

Her answer was that the school felt that giving the kids their own supplies taught them responsibility and accountability. If they broke something in their supply box, they have to tell their teacher and their parent and get it replaced. They are more likely to be careful and take better care of supplies if they are responsible for them.
 
I've had many of those things happen that others have posted about, and I'm not really sure how I feel about it.

The school supply list specifically requested Fiskar scissors and like a good mom that is what I bought. Then at the end of the year, my son brought home a pair of 50-cent cheapies. :mad:

The boys have gone to two different public schools in town. The first one had a huge huge supply list, besides the regular supplies there were ziplocs and kleenex, and whiteboard markers & erasers, on and on it went, composition books, cardboard folders in very specific colors...

The second one, same school district, wanted half the supplies. I was telling one of the teachers that their supply list was so much shorter, and she said the school had made a specific effort to cut the list, because of the cost.

Both schools have their fair share of "poor kids". The first, gets both extremes, both the most upscale neighborhoods and the poorest, with very few in the middle. Their philosophy was to ask for twice as much, and that way they're covered, but it backfired-- it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out, and the parents with more money just wouldn't send all of it- they had no intention of buying supplies for the other kids. That school does a fundraiser I swear every month.

The second school, everyone is pretty much blue-collar with some families who are poorer. The school just makes more of an effort to accomodate, I think. They also have informal programs thru the school to take donations of old coats, stuff like that. They very intentionally plan field trips that are inexpensive (because while everyone loves a fun field trip, the kids are excited by the IDEA of a field trip, they don't really care where they're going as long as they get out of school!). They don't do 35 fundraisers and constantly ding-dong parents to buy stuff they don't want in the first place. They don't ask for elaborate donations for school parties.

I think it's just a matter of outlook. One school says "ask for twice as much, and we'll get enough to get by" and the other says "cut it down to what you think the lowest common denominator can handle".


Exactly !!
 
Last night I saw a 2nd grade teacher from the private school my children will attend this year (my daughter was in public school for kindergarten last year) and I asked her why the private school doesn't do the community supply bucket like the public school does.

Her answer was that the school felt that giving the kids their own supplies taught them responsibility and accountability. If they broke something in their supply box, they have to tell their teacher and their parent and get it replaced. They are more likely to be careful and take better care of supplies if they are responsible for them.

I would agree with this approach in 2nd grade, but not in Kindergarten! Anyone who disagrees with me probably has never taught Kindie - LOL!
 
When shopping for supplies i always buy tons extra dont mind sharing i look at it this way it is how it is cant fight the system lifes to short to worry our school donates to a school with very poor children each class gives items assigned i give what i can sometimes it is alittle annoying when some mums dress to the nines and dont support the school but thats their choice:cool1: :cool1:
 
I would agree with this approach in 2nd grade, but not in Kindergarten! Anyone who disagrees with me probably has never taught Kindie - LOL!


I disagree and I do teach K. Children can be responsible, they can be very responsible. Last year I even had 2 EBD students and even there parents could not believe how well they had learn to take care of things. Both parents expressed how this had even spilled over to the home and were very thankful.

Also, out of the 8 k classes last year and of the 4 teachers, I am the only teacher that does not share supplies, neither of my classes had a confirmed case of the flu. We had a county wide outbreak and even closed schools at one point. To me that says alot:thumbsup2
 


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