Any incentives coming up for direct purchases??

[JimMIA]

I would suggest it is fair to assume at this point that buying direct does protect you from losing these types of perks. It definately protects you today. And since Disney is trying to now differenciate direct from resale, it would seem even more unlikely now for Disney to remove perks like DCL from direct buyers. I now see the opposite. You are right that it isn't guranteed but at this point, I would say that you can argue buying direct does and will protect certain perks.

Lynne is correct that none of the so-called direct purchase "benefits" are guaranteed. In fact, they are only available because they offer DVC and the other Disney divisions a financial advantage.

DCL benefits two ways from DVC bookings -- they get higher room rates than their normal cash prices, and they have the ability tho move perishable inventory they can't move otherwise. As soon as that advantage goes away for DCL, they stop DVC bookings. They've done that several times in recent years, including for extended periods of time.

 

[mjc2003]

Just wondering if anyone has heard if they are going to be offering any incentives any time soon? They haven't had anything substantial in a while. Their offer earlier in the year was nothing to write home about.

We will be visiting WDW in November and have been thinking of adding on. Hoping for some good incentives to help us make that decision. I would do resale but for some reason my wife wants to only do direct. Their recent shenanigans has her nervous about future possible exceptions to resale. Thanks

The only recent incentive that I can think of was the add-on opportunity, where you could add on at your home resort for a small discount (at least at BCV, that's where we own and we got an email about some offer).

Just so your wife knows, any further restrictions to resale would not be retroactive to include your purchase. In other words, if you bought resale right now the restrictions are clearly laid out. The shenanigans you are referring to are essentially fringe options that are constantly discussed here on the boards as being less than cost effective. Just throwing that out there....not sure where you are looking to buy, but resale (in my very humble opinion) is almost categorically the way to go.
If you want to use the points for concierge, ABD or DVC, you are better off renting out your points and using the cash anyway. Also consider that the 30/40/50% savings on resale is real money that can be put towards cash vacations.

Of course the decision is yours, and I wish you luck. Just wanted to mention this b/c many "new" folks come here and dismiss the resale market; yet you will find that about 95% of the smartest and most knowledgeable DIS folk here on the DVC boards would opt for resale over direct purchase.

PS: We will be there in November as well, 11/10-11/20. Can't wait. Great time of year to go.

 

[mjc2003]

Then don't tell her BCV resales are clearing ROFR at $80 and a little lower. That's $35 per point lower than the direct price.

Jim, you are right on with this. I find the dismissive nature that some show towards resale as being a bit confusing. People can save literally thousands of dollars buying virtually the same thing.

On an unrelated note.....are you a Dolphins fan? I'm a Jets fan....will be at the game tonight....everybody is very tightly wound up here, afraid the Jets are going to find a way to lose.

 

[DVCconvert]

You can give your opinion without mocking others. Even constructive criticism is acceptable, but being a smart @$$ isn't.

WOW !

Time to switch to decaf?

I was (I thought) clearly attempting to be humorous by laying out such an over-the-top, outlandish speil so that no one could ever possibly think I was being serious - sorry you didn't see it that way.

 

[mjc2003]

I guess it all comes down to the individual buyer and their comfort level and what they value. While I can't rule out I won't add on via resale, I do see value in having the option to try a cruise or something within the Disney Collection.

Not to beat a dead horse, but look at the Disney Collection points chart. For a week at your home resort, you can get about 3 nights at the Grand Floridian or Poly. Not a good trade. Of course I understand it's nice to have options; just wanted to point this out in the event that you were not familiar with the point allocations for the Collection resorts.

Also, to book a points cruise you need to book waaaaaay in advance. I think I read recently that all 2012 points-available cruises are already booked. Again, if you are a planner, not a big deal. But consider that you could rent out your points and apply the cash towards just about any cruise on much shorter notice.

All just things to consider. Good luck.

 

[JimMIA]

Jim, you are right on with this. I find the dismissive nature that some show towards resale as being a bit confusing. People can save literally thousands of dollars buying virtually the same thing.

I'm not surprised by the "Only direct from Disney" attitude. I think many prospective DVC buyers would never dream of buying a "timeshare."

But they do feel comfortable with Disney as a company. That's a huge benefit to DVC and the reason they can offer and sell BCV for $35 per point more than resale, and BLT for $60 per point more.

On an unrelated note.....are you a Dolphins fan? I'm a Jets fan....will be at the game tonight....everybody is very tightly wound up here, afraid the Jets are going to find a way to lose.

Oh good grief, no! Marlins, yes; Dolfins, no. With this year's team, I think the Jets will find it a real struggle to lose to the Dolfins. The Dolfins are REALLY awful.

 

[thebigman65]

Of course the decision is yours, and I wish you luck. Just wanted to mention this b/c many "new" folks come here and dismiss the resale market; yet you will find that about 95% of the smartest and most knowledgeable DIS folk here on the DVC boards would opt for resale over direct purchase.

I think that percentage would be a little high, and not that you meant it this way, but just because someone wants to buy direct does not mean they are not smart.

I'm not surprised by the "Only direct from Disney" attitude. I think many prospective DVC buyers would never dream of buying a "timeshare."

And I also think there is a "if you buy direct you must be a Dumb A@#" attitude from a lot of posters here.

Resale is not the be all and end all. Yes it is cheaper, but there are problems and issues with that method as well......

 

[bakenatj]

I'm sure they were just joking around. I personally found it funny, and not at all offensive...nor intended to be offensive.

However, calling someone names is certainly a violation of DIS posting policies.

Well I'm sorry. I didn't interpret it that way. I guess I was a little harsh. It did have a little "I know more than you" attitude to it you have to admit. I'm not here to argue with anyone just hoping for good info.

As far as calling someone name....I tell it like it is I don't do PC.

 

[bakenatj]

WOW !

Time to switch to decaf?

I was (I thought) clearly attempting to be humorous by laying out such an over-the-top, outlandish speil so that no one could ever possibly think I was being serious - sorry you didn't see it that way.

I'm sorry, I really am a nice guy. It must just be Monday. I appologize, and DVCconert, I really do enjoy your postings, someone must have peed in my Cherios this morning.

 

[bakenatj]

The only recent incentive that I can think of was the add-on opportunity, where you could add on at your home resort for a small discount (at least at BCV, that's where we own and we got an email about some offer).

Just so your wife knows, any further restrictions to resale would not be retroactive to include your purchase. In other words, if you bought resale right now the restrictions are clearly laid out. The shenanigans you are referring to are essentially fringe options that are constantly discussed here on the boards as being less than cost effective. Just throwing that out there....not sure where you are looking to buy, but resale (in my very humble opinion) is almost categorically the way to go.
If you want to use the points for concierge, ABD or DVC, you are better off renting out your points and using the cash anyway. Also consider that the 30/40/50% savings on resale is real money that can be put towards cash vacations.

Of course the decision is yours, and I wish you luck. Just wanted to mention this b/c many "new" folks come here and dismiss the resale market; yet you will find that about 95% of the smartest and most knowledgeable DIS folk here on the DVC boards would opt for resale over direct purchase.

PS: We will be there in November as well, 11/10-11/20. Can't wait. Great time of year to go.

I agree. I have no problem with doing resale. I could buy more points that way. I'm sure I can get the wife to see that the cost saving out weight the "Fuzzy Feelings" you get when you buy direct. It just makes her nervous not buying from Disney.

I am so looking forward to our trip, I need to get out of the office.....Just ask DVCconvert, I got a little snippy with him today.

Which resort are you staying at?

 

[crabbie1]

I'm sorry, I really am a nice guy. It must just be Monday. I appologize, and DVCconert, I really do enjoy your postings, someone must have peed in my Cherios this morning.

Wow what a threadOn a happier note we are also looking at direct for our own personal reasons and just to say we will be at OKW when you are. Lets hope we have a good time ,nice weather and maybe a little gift when we do the DVC tour.I know last year they were giving a $100 gift card but as we were not buying I felt it a little cheeky but as we are seroius this time I hope there is a little something even if just free fast passes. Knowing our luck there will be nothing

 

[bakenatj]

Wow what a threadOn a happier note we are also looking at direct for our own personal reasons and just to say we will be at OKW when you are. Lets hope we have a good time ,nice weather and maybe a little gift when we do the DVC tour.I know last year they were giving a $100 gift card but as we were not buying I felt it a little cheeky but as we are seroius this time I hope there is a little something even if just free fast passes. Knowing our luck there will be nothing

Yeah , it's been one of those days.

Haven't scheduled a meeting with our guide yet, so we will have to see.

I really hope the weather is nice, like amazing pool weather. Maybe we will see you at the pool. Good luck with that add on!

 

[JimMIA]

I think that percentage would be a little high, and not that you meant it this way, but just because someone wants to buy direct does not mean they are not smart

A lot of smart people buy direct, and a lot of smart people buy resale.

The people who are NOT smart (and there are a LOT of them) are the ones who go blindly forward without asking any questions. Those are the folks who buy something they don't understand, can't afford, won't put to good use, and finance it to boot! Unfortunately, a LOT of them have learned a hard lesson in the last 2-3 years.

There are sound reasons for buying direct -- although I think their numbers are rapidly declining as the resale prices continue to decline. But for someone who wants to do a small add-on and can't find their use year available on the resale market, direct is the way to go.

There are some products (Aulani, for example) that you can only buy direct. If a person absolutely HAS to have that particular product, then direct is the way to go.

If someone HAS to finance, buying direct provides a means.

Is that good or bad? I don't know -- I don't know that person's finances, so I don't know whether financing makes sense for them or not. Only they can decide that.

 

[mjc2003]

I think that percentage would be a little high, and not that you meant it this way, but just because someone wants to buy direct does not mean they are not smart.

Definitely not my intention. As a matter of fact, I think it implies the exact opposite: That there are some really smart people here and people learning the ropes are wise to listen. As for the percentage being high, you might be right. However I very rarely see (if ever) veteran DISers acting as proponents for direct purchase; conversely, it seems every one of these threads ends up with 5 pages of people saying that resale is the way to go. Whatever the percentage is, it is inarguable that a majority is pro-resale.

I agree. I have no problem with doing resale. I could buy more points that way. I'm sure I can get the wife to see that the cost saving out weight the "Fuzzy Feelings" you get when you buy direct. It just makes her nervous not buying from Disney.

I am so looking forward to our trip, I need to get out of the office.....Just ask DVCconvert, I got a little snippy with him today.

Which resort are you staying at?

Again, the decision is yours and one that you and your wife have to be comfortable with. I think that's most important. I will say that the resellers like the Timeshare Store are top notch, professional licensed real estate brokers. The process won't be as fast, but it won't be any less professional.

We are staying at the Animal Kingdom in a grand villa for 4 nights, and then Beach Club for 6 nights in a 2 bedroom. We have some family coming. As I said, we find it to be a great time of year both weather-wise and crowd-wise. I hope you have a great trip, and best of luck working through this decision.

 

[JimMIA]

I agree. I have no problem with doing resale. I could buy more points that way. I'm sure I can get the wife to see that the cost saving out weight the "Fuzzy Feelings" you get when you buy direct. It just makes her nervous not buying from Disney.

It might help if you can really define the source of that "Fuzzy Feeling."

Having bought both direct and resale, I can tell you the good feeling does not come from the person or company you purchase from. It comes from the product you buy -- DVC points.

With minimal exceptions of questionable value, resale points are the same as direct points. In fact, several very knowledgeable posters here have said they think DVC did resale purchasers a favor by removing those negligible "benefits" from resale because it forces the purchaser to focus their purchase decisions on the REAL value of DVC.

With regard to the MAIN purpose of buying DVC, the product is exactly the same no matter how you purchase it.

And it's that VALUE over time that you are buying. The real importance of owning DVC is enjoying the USE of your DVC points at DVC resorts...and that's identical regardless of how you acquire those points.

So let's look at the companies you could buy through:

DVD -- the Disney timeshare developer you are buying from if you purchase direct -- sells timeshare interests under Florida law, and they are regulated by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Timeshare Division. Florida's timeshare laws are among the most stringent in the nation, and the industry is tightly regulated.

If you buy resale, you will buy through a licensed real estate broker -- hopefully one who is well-established and well-regarded, and has decades of experience in selling DVC resales. If you do, you will purchase under Florida law. The broker you purchase from will meet exactly the same standards DVD must meet, and will also be tightly regulated by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Timeshare Division. Exactly the same laws...exactly the same regulations...exactly the same regulatory enforcement.

 

[shalom]

The broker you purchase from will meet exactly the same standards DVD must meet, and will also be tightly regulated by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Timeshare Division. Exactly the same laws...exactly the same regulations...exactly the same regulatory enforcement.

But you don't get that fuzzy feeling of buying direct from Disney. That part is not exactly the same. And speaking as someone who gets the fuzzies buying direct, I'm pretty sure the fuzzy feeling is not based on anything rational, so rational arguments aren't likely to have much impact. Although I also think it makes more sense to indulge the fuzzies when it comes to little stuff like collectibles -- kinda pricey good feelings when you're talking something as expensive as DVC. Particularly since hubby doesn't get that little glow.

 

[JimMIA]

But you don't get that fuzzy feeling of buying direct from Disney. That part is not exactly the same.

The only thing I'm sure I ever got from my DVC timeshare saleswoman was misinformation and inept handling of our transaction. Only her brain was fuzzy!

But DVCMike loves her...ah well...

 

[DVCconvert]

I'm sorry, I really am a nice guy. It must just be Monday. I appologize, and DVCconert, I really do enjoy your postings, someone must have peed in my Cherios this morning.

Thank you for that

I'd ahhh....watch the preparation of my breakfast quite carefully moving forward! ....ewwwww.....

As far as calling someone name....I tell it like it is I don't do PC.

errr...I'm not quite sure how to feel about this, or to whom it was directed.
I like honesty....but I also always hope for common sense...."PC" certainly doesn't always jive with 'common sense'.....My own 'life circumstances' also have taught me that life is sooo short, we should all try to seek the light heartedness that if can offer and not stress over the small stuff...I sincerely hope that you have a great next trip!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I've bought both direct and resale. I've gotten more warm fuzzy feelings from resale agents than I ever did from a DVC guide. And it was double the warmth knowing how much I saved with the resale.

 

[bakenatj]

Thank you for that

I'd ahhh....watch the preparation of my breakfast quite carefully moving forward! ....ewwwww.....




errr...I'm not quite sure how to feel about this, or to whom it was directed.
I like honesty....but I also always hope for common sense...."PC" certainly doesn't always jive with 'common sense'.....My own 'life circumstances' also have taught me that life is sooo short, we should all try to seek the light heartedness that if can offer and not stress over the small stuff...I sincerely hope that you have a great next trip!

It wasn't directed at you DVCconvert, I was just really grumpy yesterday. Ask my wife, she will confirm that. Much better today even thought I have meetings all day

Life is short, and yes I need to "love my neighbor as myself" more than I do. I just need to relax and take a deep breath some days. I really am sorry for my outburst yesterday and hope you can forgive me. I find your knowledge of Disney and DVC very valuable, and need to remember not to bite the hand that feeds me!

Anyway hope you all have a wonderful day.