Angelina Jolie, The Unauthorized biography by Andrew Morton

[tinatark]

Cheating with Brad while he was married wasn't Angelina's first foray into that... remember, when she married Billy Bob Thornton, he was engaged to and living with Laura Dern. I think she (AJ) sees *taken* men as a challenge.

I'm not really impressed with what I've heard about her parenting style - no structure, no schedules - sounds a little like "unschooling" to me!

 

[Acklander]

I'm not really impressed with what I've heard about her parenting style - no structure, no schedules - sounds a little like "unschooling" to me!

eh, it sounds like a personal choice. Some like to parent with lots of structure/rules/control some like to parent with lots of freedom. Most of us fall somewhere in between. Being that both Brad and Angelina are artists I can see where they would lean towards the unstructured style of parenting.
I remember seeing pictures of her dropping the kids off at school so I don't believe that they're "unschooling" but I could be wrong.

 

[bettymae1121]

The only three people that know what happend are Angelina, Brad, and Jen. It's more than possible the marriage was over in all but name when Brad adn Angie hooked up, or that Brad is cheating scum who told Angie it was over when it wasn't, or that Angie is a husband stealing (insert naughty word here) who is more than happy to ruin a mariage to get what (or who) she wants.

At the end of the day the only people that know are the three of them, and really is it any of our business? Even if the worst is true about Brad and/or Angelina, I don't think it errases any good they have done. They may not be good spouses but raising money for poor children around the world and adopting orphaned children is ALWAYS a good thing, even if mistakes are made in other areas of one's life.

 

[castleview]

Did you read the Tom Cruise biography?

No, but I might one day. I was impressed with Morton being positive,not afraid to stand by what he wrote, and more than willing to speak with his subjects if they allowed it.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Cheating with Brad while he was married wasn't Angelina's first foray into that... remember, when she married Billy Bob Thornton, he was engaged to and living with Laura Dern. I think she (AJ) sees *taken* men as a challenge.

I'm not really impressed with what I've heard about her parenting style - no structure, no schedules - sounds a little like "unschooling" to me!

Billy Bob Thornton had 4 marriages the longest lasted 4 years not exactly husband material is he?

 

[tinatark]

Billy Bob Thornton had 4 marriages the longest lasted 4 years not exactly husband material is he?

Apparently at least 4 people thought he was!

 

[PaulaSB12]

Apparently at least 4 people thought he was!

Yet he still left them, using him as an example of Angelina's behaviour doesnt work as none of his marriages worked out long term.

 

[DawnCt1]

Yet he still left them, using him as an example of Angelina's behaviour doesnt work as none of his marriages worked out long term.

Actually, it sounds from the book, that Angelina left him. She became so inthralled with Maddox, and he didn't matter. He still speaks very highly of her and they are friends. She also has remained friends with her first husband as well.

 

[bumbershoot]

As angry as she was at her father for his infidelity, she had a state in between single and married. It seemed to be "married but dating".

Daddy issues can be hard to shake. Even when you hate what your dad did, it can feel almost destined to mess up in nearly the same way. I've been the "other woman", and each time the existing relationship was on its way out (divorce in progress, separated, etc) and I was just a sign or symptom of the problem in the relationship. Although I have problems with Jolie b/c I think she's going to absolutely lose it someday, I do tend to figure that she was in the same situation. Then again, I'm nowhere near Angelina's looks league, I am more in the cutesie (when I'm in shape) type that JA played in Friends (with a heavy dose of Phoebe, LOL), so I've never been accused of being a maneater.

Anyway, Freud wasn't so off when he talked about fathers and daughters and the problems that can continue...

I'd probably be apt to believe something in an unauthorized biography over an authorized one. The authorized one would probably have edited out a lot of stuff.

Same here.




Oh how I wish I hadn't gotten rid of this whole stack of magazines a few years ago. When BP and JA got married, I read everything about it, and even got the "weddings" issue of People that had them on the cover (by the time that came out I was engaged myself). And in an article, I recall being grossed out by BP's feelings about marriage. To him, it was NOT a "til death do us part" promise. To him, marriage was "while we both still like each other" and that's IT. It was so striking, to read these feelings of his, in articles about his wedding. So if JA actually read those articles, even if he never told her directly, she KNEW that he wasn't in it for life...

*****
"Neither of us wants to be the spokesman for happy marriage.... Jen and I always made a pact, that we'll see where this thing is going. I'm not sure it really is in our nature to be with someone for the rest of our lives, just because you made this pact. You keep going as long as you keep growing. When that dies, we do." —Pitt to Vanity Fair, June 2004

Of course, that's after he'd started filming Mr and Mrs Smith.

But.

"Is he the love of my life?...I mean, I don't know, I've never been someone who says, 'He's the love of my life.' He's certainly a big love in my life." —Aniston to W, February 2003

 

[DawnCt1]

Daddy issues can be hard to shake. Even when you hate what your dad did, it can feel almost destined to mess up in nearly the same way. I've been the "other woman", and each time the existing relationship was on its way out (divorce in progress, separated, etc) and I was just a sign or symptom of the problem in the relationship. Although I have problems with Jolie b/c I think she's going to absolutely lose it someday, I do tend to figure that she was in the same situation. Then again, I'm nowhere near Angelina's looks league, I am more in the cutesie (when I'm in shape) type that JA played in Friends (with a heavy dose of Phoebe, LOL), so I've never been accused of being a maneater.

Anyway, Freud wasn't so off when he talked about fathers and daughters and the problems that can continue...



Same here.




Oh how I wish I hadn't gotten rid of this whole stack of magazines a few years ago. When BP and JA got married, I read everything about it, and even got the "weddings" issue of People that had them on the cover (by the time that came out I was engaged myself). And in an article, I recall being grossed out by BP's feelings about marriage. To him, it was NOT a "til death do us part" promise. To him, marriage was "while we both still like each other" and that's IT. It was so striking, to read these feelings of his, in articles about his wedding. So if JA actually read those articles, even if he never told her directly, she KNEW that he wasn't in it for life...

*****
"Neither of us wants to be the spokesman for happy marriage.... Jen and I always made a pact, that we'll see where this thing is going. I'm not sure it really is in our nature to be with someone for the rest of our lives, just because you made this pact. You keep going as long as you keep growing. When that dies, we do." —Pitt to Vanity Fair, June 2004

Of course, that's after he'd started filming Mr and Mrs Smith.

But.

"Is he the love of my life?...I mean, I don't know, I've never been someone who says, 'He's the love of my life.' He's certainly a big love in my life." —Aniston to W, February 2003

I think Brad had the reputation as a bit of a "stoner". If anything, I think Angie has forced him to grow up and get on track. He has kept her more monogamous by being a father to all of her children.

 

[CharliNye]

The only three people that know what happend are Angelina, Brad, and Jen. It's more than possible the marriage was over in all but name when Brad adn Angie hooked up, or that Brad is cheating scum who told Angie it was over when it wasn't, or that Angie is a husband stealing (insert naughty word here) who is more than happy to ruin a mariage to get what (or who) she wants.

At the end of the day the only people that know are the three of them, and really is it any of our business? Even if the worst is true about Brad and/or Angelina, I don't think it errases any good they have done. They may not be good spouses but raising money for poor children around the world and adopting orphaned children is ALWAYS a good thing, even if mistakes are made in other areas of one's life.

Yup. Exactly how I've always seen the situation.

If we wanted to get pithy, Jen is rumored to be a hardcore stoner with a daddy comples who never wanted to grow up. She's been dumped by every guy she's been with in the last 12 yrs, and the crappy part is EVERY guy has settled down with the next woman to come along after her. There are a lot of stories that she keeps herself in the press as being the victim because her career is non-existent(the only film she's done that's succeeded is Marley & Me, and she was upstaged by a dog and Owen Wilson). There are countless entertainment sites and articles flying in papers that the fail of this new film could be the death knell of her career. She's not bankable.

So yeah, there are stories about every single one of these three, but we don't know and shouldn't judge. Honestly? Unless he was flaunting an affair while they were still married(and from what was shown and said by even JEN, they were basically over when he first emotionally connected with Jolie, NOT physically, but emotionally. Even she admitted she truly believes they waited til there was an official separation before getting together) I can't be one to throw stones. Emotional affairs can happen to ANYONE at ANYTIME. Two of the strongest couples I knew had a spouse become so connected emotionally to someone else it threw them off course. One couple survived, one didn't.

Also, the thing with Thornton? She didn't KNOW he was engaged to Dern. THornton duped her AND Dern. And yeah, the guy has had restraining orders from ex-wives against him and is known for not playing with a full deck. He once went ape on a chicago dj ON AIR for being asked about a movie role vs the music he wanted to talk about. Tried to beat him or something. Yeahh, good guy.

I don't care if anyone has had a wild phase, or was messed up as a kid, or had sexy pictures taken or what not. Everyone has a past and not all of those things are bad. Morton if you ask me is what is considered a sociopath. Of course he's charming on a tv show, he wants you to buy his books and make him rich. But he's scum inside and out to want to publish an "unauthorized" book on a celebrity. Oh and very few sources for the book are substantiated. My husband works in publishing and that much has been confirmed. Reason why 90% of the book should be taken with a grain of salt.

And for the record, I like all three of them. I think they're all charming in their own right and I like a lot of their work(well not all of Aniston's movies, some are cute, others ermmm).

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Billy Bob Thornton had 4 marriages the longest lasted 4 years not exactly husband material is he?

And he is a MAJOR JERK. He has a band and was doing an interview on a radio show in Canada. He was such a jerk to the poor dj, it made me sick. I have despised him since then and will never watch anything he is in (with the exception of Tombstone, and his part is so small, I can fast forward thru it. I don't think I have ever boycotted any actor. But BBT is the exception.

Here is the video of the interview. Billy Bob starts in about 1:18 being a major jerk. This almost seems like a comedy skit gone wrong. It's awful. It gets really bad about 6 min in if you want to get right to the good stuff.



http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/that-billy-bob-thornton-interview/

 

[DawnCt1]

Yup. Exactly how I've always seen the situation.

If we wanted to get pithy, Jen is rumored to be a hardcore stoner with a daddy comples who never wanted to grow up. She's been dumped by every guy she's been with in the last 12 yrs, and the crappy part is EVERY guy has settled down with the next woman to come along after her. There are a lot of stories that she keeps herself in the press as being the victim because her career is non-existent(the only film she's done that's succeeded is Marley & Me, and she was upstaged by a dog and Owen Wilson). There are countless entertainment sites and articles flying in papers that the fail of this new film could be the death knell of her career. She's not bankable.

So yeah, there are stories about every single one of these three, but we don't know and shouldn't judge. Honestly? Unless he was flaunting an affair while they were still married(and from what was shown and said by even JEN, they were basically over when he first emotionally connected with Jolie, NOT physically, but emotionally. Even she admitted she truly believes they waited til there was an official separation before getting together) I can't be one to throw stones. Emotional affairs can happen to ANYONE at ANYTIME. Two of the strongest couples I knew had a spouse become so connected emotionally to someone else it threw them off course. One couple survived, one didn't.

Also, the thing with Thornton? She didn't KNOW he was engaged to Dern. THornton duped her AND Dern. And yeah, the guy has had restraining orders from ex-wives against him and is known for not playing with a full deck. He once went ape on a chicago dj ON AIR for being asked about a movie role vs the music he wanted to talk about. Tried to beat him or something. Yeahh, good guy.

I don't care if anyone has had a wild phase, or was messed up as a kid, or had sexy pictures taken or what not. Everyone has a past and not all of those things are bad. Morton if you ask me is what is considered a sociopath. Of course he's charming on a tv show, he wants you to buy his books and make him rich. But he's scum inside and out to want to publish an "unauthorized" book on a celebrity. Oh and very few sources for the book are substantiated. My husband works in publishing and that much has been confirmed. Reason why 90% of the book should be taken with a grain of salt.

And for the record, I like all three of them. I think they're all charming in their own right and I like a lot of their work(well not all of Aniston's movies, some are cute, others ermmm).

I agree with you about Jen's acting ability. Her high point was "Friends", which I never watched and she has been barely treading water since. I loved Marley and Me but not because Anniston brought anything to the film. It was, as you said, the dog and Owen Wilson. She is cute, and bubbly, but Sandra Bullock can be cute and bubbly and she can act. With regard to Morton; I think he actually likes everyone he wrote about in this current book. While all of the characters had their flaws, I came away liking all of them.

 

[Liberty Belle]

And he is a MAJOR JERK. He has a band and was doing an interview on a radio show in Canada. He was such a jerk to the poor dj, it made me sick. I have despised him since then and will never watch anything he is in (with the exception of Tombstone, and his part is so small, I can fast forward thru it. I don't think I have ever boycotted any actor. But BBT is the exception.

Here is the video of the interview. Billy Bob starts in about 1:18 being a major jerk. This almost seems like a comedy skit gone wrong. It's awful. It gets really bad about 6 min in if you want to get right to the good stuff.



http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/that-billy-bob-thornton-interview/

WTH?! Is he insane? On drugs? Deliberately obtuse and bizarre? I mean, it's not even that he was just a jerk. He was so...weird.

 

[CharliNye]

I agree with you about Jen's acting ability. Her high point was "Friends", which I never watched and she has been barely treading water since. I loved Marley and Me but not because Anniston brought anything to the film. It was, as you said, the dog and Owen Wilson. She is cute, and bubbly, but Sandra Bullock can be cute and bubbly and she can act. With regard to Morton; I think he actually likes everyone he wrote about in this current book. While all of the characters had their flaws, I came away liking all of them.

I haven't read the book, just the excerpts, and again husband works in publishing. He did tell me that the word is the all the crap about her mother is more then likely bs. Using unnamed sources about a woman that is now deceased is a bit on the nasty side.

All the stuff about her "longing" for Al Pacino and how she named the kids after him are a bit farfetched.

CaliforniaDreamin, I know he went off on a chicago dj too, thought it was really bad but can't remember full details. He's definitely an *** which is why you can't fault a YOUNG(she was early 20's at time) girl for what he did to Dern. Man is a few cards short of a full deck.

 

[rodeo65]

Totally agree Liberty Belle!! DH went to one of the Massey Hall concerts referenced in the interview and said he was completely out of control, screaming and swearing at the audience. I think someone might have heckled him, I can't remember the details but DH did say he was a nightmare and really set a bad tone for the rest of the night.

I wonder if Willie Nelson has had him open since that tour?

 

[superdiz]

I agree with the previous poster who said - if Brad Pitt wanted out of his marriage, he should have done so before setting his sights on someone new. I don't think anyone backed out of kids, to this day Jenniffer Aniston says she wants kids, she probably didn't want them right then. But again, if you want out of your marriage, do it before you cheat, physically or mentally.

Money doesn't buy class. Being charitable doesn't make a person automatically cleansed of their past sins and mistakes either.

 

[DawnCt1]

WTH?! Is he insane? On drugs? Deliberately obtuse and bizarre? I mean, it's not even that he was just a jerk. He was so...weird.

He really did look mentally ill and HOSTILE!