An interesting look at what happened to the pentagon on 9/11

[poohandwendy]

Darren,

Here is a link to the Complete 9-11 Commision Report:

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.

On July 22, 2004 the Commission released its public report, which is available for download from this site. The report is also available in bookstores nationwide and from the Government Printing Office.

On August 21, 2004 the Commission released two staff monographs, available for download along with other staff statements on this site.

The ten members of the 9-11 Commission announce the creation of the 9/11 Public Discourse Project.

The Commission closed on August 21, 2004.


http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

I would think this would be the best place for you to start, if you are interested in what happened on 9-11.

 

[LisaSt]

Thanks PAW I appreciate that I think I have been to the site but I will check it out.

Darren

 

[poohandwendy]

No problem, it is a large pdf file, but I think of it as a 'must read' for all Americans.

 

[auntpolly]

This was very interesting - I'm not sure what it means, if anything, but I like getting any new point of view into things like this. Of course we haven't been told everything about 9/11 - what we don't know could be serious or very inconsequential.

Thank you for sharing it. If nothing else, it reminds me that if we really want to have intelligent opinions about what's happening in the world we need to read everything we can about it -- not just what the government feeds us.

 

[LisaSt]

And Canadians also as we may not have been hit as hard as you were it still stung us pretty badly to. Thanks again
I am also going to say sorry I was wrong it was RickNYC that posted the where were you on 9/11 thread. Not Esmeralda.

Darren

 

[poohandwendy]

LOL, very true, I didn't mean to exclude anyone. This attack affected the world.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Loubon
I hope you enjoy the emotions and controversy you have stirred (which I'm sure you will reply was not your intent ) but I for one am finished with this garbage. I hope the rest of the DISers will follow suit.

What an unfair and unkind thing to say! Did you have family or friends in the World Trade center or something? If so, I can see why your emotions are so raw. Otherwise, I think we should be able to talk about this stuff without such hostility.

 

[LisaSt]

NP PAW it wasn't meant like that just that some people think it was only the US that were affected by this when it really affected a large number of people not to say the US shouldn't feel worse than the rest of us as it happened inyour country but it really was something that affected many many people and countries. My FIL is a firefighter here and they sent about 50 men from their department down to help out and have done numerous charity drives including a charity hockey game against the NYC firefighters team to help raise money for them. No matter what actually took place it was sad none the less.

 

[chernabog]

Oh sgtdisney, we all know that your photo of the plane's hub was staged in your backyard with help from the government. As for the others who actually witnessed a plane, I have one question...how soon after the attack did the government schedule your memory erase appointment and did they use one of those little flashlight thingys, like from Men in Black? Here's something for our expert, Darren, to gnaw on. Knowing that this crash site was now a crime scene, I'm sure that that all videotapes from every known camera in the area needed to be secured. That would be the explanation for any footage being secured by the FBI. Especially, if they already knew what had taken place in NYC. I know that if a major crime occurs in my jurisdiction, we attempt to gather any and all evidence that may be relevant to the case. And I'm sure any video camera, that is remotely close to the Pentagon, was placed there by the government, whether it's on the property of a local business, public property or even private property. Hmmm.
Best advice for you Darren, throw your hands up and repeat after me...No Mas, No Mas!!!

 

[LisaSt]

Chernabog I never disputed that the tapes were taken by the FBI I do believe I said it was them that likeley took it if not local authorities to give to them. The thing is will we ever see them I highly doubt it.

 

[cynsaun]

Originally posted by auntpolly
What an unfair and unkind thing to say! Did you have family or friends in the World Trade center or something? If so, I can see why your emotions are so raw. Otherwise, I think we should be able to talk about this stuff without such hostility.

Are you serious? Only someone that lost a family member or a friend is allowed to have emotion with regards to 9/11?

The 3,000+ innocent people that perished that tragic day may not have been my family members or friends, but they were fellow human beings. So yes, I, for one, do in fact still have emotions with regard to 9/11, and I always will.

 

[LisaSt]

Not to sure but I think what Auntpoly was saying is that it is unfair to blame one person for bringing up memories etc and how could you feel even remotrely close to what those that actually lost somone inthe tragedy feel not sure but that is my interpretation of the statement.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by cynsaun
Are you serious? Only someone that lost a family member or a friend is allowed to have emotion with regards to 9/11?

The 3,000+ innocent people that perished that tragic day may not have been my family members or friends, but they were fellow human beings. So yes, I, for one, do in fact still have emotions with regard to 9/11, and I always will.

Well I'm not sure how you interpreted my comment this way, of course we all were affected and emotional, but I'm sure that most of us can bear to hear a discussion of it by now. I can imagine that if you'd lost someone, you'd still be very sensitive. But by now, we should at least be able to talk about it without losing it. If not, I think you need some counseling.

 

[katerkat]

Originally posted by LisaSt
Mickeycrazed maybe they are from the central time zone which would be roughly not that they had the exact time correct but it would put them an hour behind un in the Eastern time zone.

Nope, it's not right. I found out about the attacks at 9 am and flipped on the TV to see the second plane hit the WTC. The plane didn't crash into the Pentagon until around 9:40 am.

Also, being the wife of a tanker pilot, I *know* what would happen to a plane filled with gas. I've also seen pics of smaller planes crashing, and it's not even close to similar.

 

[cynsaun]

Originally posted by auntpolly
Well I'm not sure how you interpreted my comment this way, of course we all were affected and emotional, but I'm sure that most of us can bear to hear a discussion of it by now. I can imagine that if you'd lost someone, you'd still be very sensitive. But by now, we should at least be able to talk about it without losing it. If not, I think you need some counseling.

Actually, as the three-year anniversary of 9/11 approaches, everyone is a little more sensitive than usual. I do, however, think that most Americans are still very sensitive to the tradegy of 9/11.

It was very insensitive for this thread to be posted to stir up emotion the week prior to the anniversary. This, I believe, was Lou's point.

 

[disney4us2002]

Originally posted by auntpolly
What an unfair and unkind thing to say! Did you have family or friends in the World Trade center or something? If so, I can see why your emotions are so raw. Otherwise, I think we should be able to talk about this stuff without such hostility.

Actually this is a discussion about the Pentagon and as a matter of fact I did have family and friends in the Pentagon. My dh was very fortunate to not be hurt. We lost two of our church members however and a very good friend of mine lost her brother and is now raising his son who was 2 at the time of this horrific attack. I do indeed find this discussion insulting and I found your comments about needing counseling to be both flippant and insensitive.

 

[chernabog]

Darren you're right, we will probably never see them. Quite frankly, there is no reason to when we have eyewitness accounts of this event. I would have to think that if the government wanted us to believe that this happened, they would have somehow altered those tapes to make a plane more clearly seen to the casual observer.
It just bothers me to think that there are people in this country who fail to realize or understand that there are other societies or countries who despise our values or what we stand for. And that those people could actually pull off this attack. Not some government conspiracy or cover-up. I don't understand what a cover-up or government led attack would accomplish. After all the carnage in NYC, do you think we really needed something else to rally around or mourn over? I guess the big question I have about that conspiracy site is whether they believe that it was a deliberate government act or an errant missle which accidently struck the building? In either case, I belive it to be highly unlikely! JMO

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by disney4us2002
I do indeed find this discussion insulting and I found your comments about needing counseling to be both flippant and insensitive.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But not sorry I said it. If you lost people, then I can understand the heightened sensitivity. But if you just can't even talk about it without getting bent out of shape, I think you need help dealing with your emotions. I don't mean to be insensitive -- I'm just being honest.

 

[pirateeast]

I do not believe anyone is saying we can't talk about what happen that day, the problem is the fact that someone would bring something that is ment to bring a doupt about what happen that day, blame the goverment for what happen that day and disregard the facts of what happen that day. It seems to me that so many are willing to believe anything that someone says that puts the blame on the goverment for what happen that day. People are too willing to lie, and believe lies as long as it helps their point of view on other things. How you can not understand how this could upset people when it disregards all facts and trys to say the goverment is trying to hide what happen that day when so many died, so many got hurt, and so many were scared.

 

[LisaSt]

I have said it before I am not saying this is a government cover up etc but the government is not going to let anyone see the tapes just like the Kennedy assasination ther is eveidence to support it was not hinkley but you will never see any of the evidence that supports that. Again though I seriously doubt your government would try something like this they honestly would have nothing to gain from it especially if it ever was found out what a black eye that would be and for those that say it was to strengthen his bid to go to war against Iraq well that is just absurd he would have likeley gone anyhow without this happening. Like I said before I like to look at every possible angle and even obscure ones.