An email i recieved!

[TCPluto]

You are right, stronger economy equals more persons handing the guy money.
Thanks



Do you have sources telling us how many homeless persons file income tax returns?
Just curious

Isn't it "people"????

 

[TCPluto]

Funny thing is, that McCains plan would take more of that waiters tips to redistribute than Obamas would.

Nope. I did an online calculator for both plans with my income/deductions. I would get $500 more from McCains plan in the first year, and the gap increased to $1700 over BO's plan after 4 years. BO's plan was decidely worse for me, and our family income is far less then $250k.

The unfunny thing is, that Obama's plan would increase the amount that the homeless guy would get. For doing nothing.
The homeless, the people who pay zero taxes and the chronically unemployed get a great opportunity to vote themselves a raise on November 4th

Yeah, ain't it grand????

 

[KikiFan]

Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!'

The father sheepishly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the
Republican party.'
[/B]

I'm sorry that's a stupid story and a lame example. Do you honestly believe that everyone that can't make ends meet isn't working hard enough?

Because I know a lot of people working their tails off for minimum wage or even as much as $10 an hour that can't make ends meet. Not everyone can get a college degree and a white collar job. And quite frankly I'm grateful there are people in the world willing to do the dirty jobs - things like trash collectors, busing tables, cleaning hospitals or public restrooms, waiting on me at the local Whataburger, roofing construction etc. I dare anyone to say those people aren't working hard. But those are crap jobs that come with a crap salary. But without these people doing these jobs - most of us would have a heck of a different life.

Yes there will be some people that will take advantage of the system. There are always people that do. But by and large most people work hard - that just doesn't guarantee they'll win the race.

 

["Got Disney"]

To those that want to know.....if Obama gets elected....I will let you all know that make below $250,000 that ....My check is in the mail

please inform me what kind of TV you got with it or Disney trip you will use it for...thanks

I am Got Disney and I approve this message

 

[Buckalew11]

Well, I make less than 250,000. So, Got Disney, I will be looking in the Sunday sale papers and let you know what I pick out. Closer it comes to Christmas, the more stuff will be advertised for me to choose from. Of course, I am known to be partial to WDW trips.
TIA!


















Just kidding. I don't want your hard earned money. I voted McCain already.

 

[Acklander]

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Why? The wealthy that got the tax cuts under Bush didn't tell us what they did with the extra money so why should those that get tax cuts under Obama tell you?

 

[loco4dis]

That is a HILARIOUS story. Nothing like a real-world example to demonstrate where the rhetoric meets the road. Elections have consequences, and so, apparently, does wearing campaign flare when you're working with the public.
Ha, ha.

 

[txSleepingBeauty]

I'm sorry that's a stupid story and a lame example. Do you honestly believe that everyone that can't make ends meet isn't working hard enough?

Because I know a lot of people working their tails off for minimum wage or even as much as $10 an hour that can't make ends meet. Not everyone can get a college degree and a white collar job. And quite frankly I'm grateful there are people in the world willing to do the dirty jobs - things like trash collectors, busing tables, cleaning hospitals or public restrooms, waiting on me at the local Whataburger, roofing construction etc. I dare anyone to say those people aren't working hard. But those are crap jobs that come with a crap salary. But without these people doing these jobs - most of us would have a heck of a different life.

Yes there will be some people that will take advantage of the system. There are always people that do. But by and large most people work hard - that just doesn't guarantee they'll win the race.

I have been trying to make that same point for 2 weeks now.

 

[minnie61650]

I'm sorry that's a stupid story and a lame example. Do you honestly believe that everyone that can't make ends meet isn't working hard enough?

Because I know a lot of people working their tails off for minimum wage or even as much as $10 an hour that can't make ends meet. Not everyone can get a college degree and a white collar job. And quite frankly I'm grateful there are people in the world willing to do the dirty jobs - things like trash collectors, busing tables, cleaning hospitals or public restrooms, waiting on me at the local Whataburger, roofing construction etc. I dare anyone to say those people aren't working hard. But those are crap jobs that come with a crap salary. But without these people doing these jobs - most of us would have a heck of a different life.

Yes there will be some people that will take advantage of the system. There are always people that do. But by and large most people work hard - that just doesn't guarantee they'll win the race.

I agree. It is a very lame story.

 

[Charade]

I agree. It is a very lame story.

Why? You don't think there's some truth to it? You don't think some people would react that way?

I think it's a great example of the disconnect between the idea of giving away something that is the product of someone else's hard work versus giving away the product of your own hard work.

On another thread a poster said they would be happy to give more under Obama's plan (they're over the $250K). I asked if they ever voluntarily gave more in taxes than they were legally obligated to and/or if they ever declined taking any deductions or credits they were entitled to. Either they didn't see the question or they declined to answer it.

 

[minnie61650]

Why? You don't think there's some truth to it? You don't think some people would react that way?

I think it's a great example of the disconnect between the idea of giving away something that is the product of someone else's hard work versus giving away the product of your own hard work.

On another thread a poster said they would be happy to give more under Obama's plan (they're over the $250K). I asked if they ever voluntarily gave more in taxes than they were legally obligated to and/or if they ever declined taking any deductions or credits they were entitled to. Either they didn't see the question or they declined to answer it.

I am glad you like your story.

I personally do not feel it relates as much as you think it does.
You are only comparing a student who wants to have fun with the student who works hard for good grades.

What about the child with learning disabilities who works just as hard if not harder than the student who gets good grades but fails to get the good grades even though they put in more time and effort trying to succeed?
Your story does not for a minute take that into account.

Just because we have a higher income than most does not make us any better than others....More fortunate than some but not any better.


We are not super rich but we are very fortunate DH worked hard and built a successful business. There are also many others who work very hard and are struggling. Those are the people I am hoping will reached and helped with a tax cut.

We only take a standard deduction instead of taking all the credits we are entitled too but that is neither here or there.

Just my 2 cents.

 

["Got Disney"]

I'm sorry that's a stupid story and a lame example. Do you honestly believe that everyone that can't make ends meet isn't working hard enough?

Because I know a lot of people working their tails off for minimum wage or even as much as $10 an hour that can't make ends meet. Not everyone can get a college degree and a white collar job. And quite frankly I'm grateful there are people in the world willing to do the dirty jobs - things like trash collectors, busing tables, cleaning hospitals or public restrooms, waiting on me at the local Whataburger, roofing construction etc. I dare anyone to say those people aren't working hard. But those are crap jobs that come with a crap salary. But without these people doing these jobs - most of us would have a heck of a different life.

Yes there will be some people that will take advantage of the system. There are always people that do. But by and large most people work hard - that just doesn't guarantee they'll win the race.

Yes everyone can go to college......everyone if they so choose......just because someone chooses to make $10 an hr does not mean that I should give my hard earned money to those that chose not to.

I grew up poor...so did DH...matter of fact many times our neighbors fed us. I new that I did not want to live like that for the rest of my life. I wanted much more. I even was a 15 year old school drop out.

I pulled my self up went and got my GED..applied to a community Collage, got grants...and Than went to Nursing School. As I worked my way through school. I than Went for my BA...than my Masters.

I also did this not being able to drive due to Epilepsy and on 900 mgs of downs a day(my medicines)....I would have at least 2 seizures a month till at the age of 28 they found a medicine that worked for me.

It took DH and I 30 years to get where we are today and it was not easy...
so to give our hard earned moneys to those that chose to settle for $10.00 an hr...

I am not talking about the poor ...we should all help them....but the GOV gives them Welfare and housing....it is the middle class that does not deserve my hard earned moneys.

We lived in NJ and found that if we moved to Ca we would have a better opportunity to better succeed...so we did. We put off having kids till I was 37 because we wanted our kids to have what we did not as kids....A nice home in a nice area and a better dream for the future. They know have that.

The American Dream is out there if one is willing to go looking for it and work for it. Nothing good ever comes free...there is always a cost. Some choose to take that road and some chose to settle for less.

Nothing wrong with that....but to take moneys from the ones that have chose to not......is not fair.

A Dr for example.....goes to Medical school..studies many many hrs, internship of 12 hrs a day for years, high cost of loans....it is gruelling to say the least to want to practice medicine....than comes a long a person that settled to not go through all that and make say $50,000 a year or less....

this Dr that has sacrificed so much should give his moneys to those that have not.....sorry this is a battle that will never win with me....

 

[spaceacewannabe]

Why? You don't think there's some truth to it? You don't think some people would react that way?

I think it's a great example of the disconnect between the idea of giving away something that is the product of someone else's hard work versus giving away the product of your own hard work.

On another thread a poster said they would be happy to give more under Obama's plan (they're over the $250K). I asked if they ever voluntarily gave more in taxes than they were legally obligated to and/or if they ever declined taking any deductions or credits they were entitled to. Either they didn't see the question or they declined to answer it.

If effort and salary really were that directly linked, it would be one thing. To assume that making more money means you're working harder than someone who makes less is kind of arrogant. As someone pointed out, we NEED people to pick up trash, clean public restrooms, etc. Folks making under $250,000 are still not going to rolling in it---but maybe their kids will be healthy and able to be successful in school so their generation will be able to contribute more in taxes for the next generation.

 

["Got Disney"]

If effort and salary really were that directly linked, it would be one thing. To assume that making more money means you're working harder than someone who makes less is kind of arrogant. As someone pointed out, we NEED people to pick up trash, clean public restrooms, etc. Folks making under $250,000 are still not going to rolling in it---but maybe their kids will be healthy and able to be successful in school so their generation will be able to contribute more in taxes for the next generation.

You are right we do need people to do that...but they can choose to find the American dream or clean public restrooms.....and lets make it clear here we are not talking people that are doing theses jobs that otherwise health would get int he way of making this choice.

We are talking healthy middle class Americans that have chose to do those jobs. They to had the same opportunities as me out there and my DH and many others I know. If you chose to be a police man as my DH was thinking on doing....his dad was a policeman.....he new that doing that Job and as special and as dangerous as that job is ....would not give us the life
we chose to have...so he looked elsewhere.....

I new that just being a Nurse with an AA degree would not cut it so I chose to get my Masters and specialize in Labor and Delivery and become a charge Nurse.....Could I have settled for less schooling and make less and make my life of schooling over.....yes...but I kept my eyes on the bigger picture......the one we are living today after tons of sacrifices......

I have a friend that is a preschool teacher that is know working on her Masters, has 3 children works 30 hrs a week and goes to school at night taking care of her kids ta boot.....could she have settled ....yup.....but she to wants more....will she be in the $250,000 range ...no but between her and her DH they will be in the $110,000 range

 

[ThePetLady7]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";28372421]

I grew up poor...so did DH...matter of fact many times our neighbors fed us. [/QUOTE]


So, I guess it was lucky for you that your neighbors didn't share your POV on sharing the wealth, huh?

I know...it's different, they chose to give after all. But the irony was just too good to pass up.

 

[minnie61650]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";28372421]....
I grew up poor...so did DH...matter of fact many times our neighbors fed us.

[/QUOTE]

It sounds like you had wonderful neighbors who knew how to share.
I am happy they were there for you and your family.

 

[Charade]

If effort and salary really were that directly linked, it would be one thing. To assume that making more money means you're working harder than someone who makes less is kind of arrogant. As someone pointed out, we NEED people to pick up trash, clean public restrooms, etc. Folks making under $250,000 are still not going to rolling in it---but maybe their kids will be healthy and able to be successful in school so their generation will be able to contribute more in taxes for the next generation.

Of course we need people to do those jobs but a person should only be paid what the job is worth. And that is primarily determined by the business owner/company, the market or in some cases, a union contract. When the government sticks their nose in the mix (with all good intentions), they tend to muck things up and distrupt the symbionic relationship between employer and employee all in the sense of "fairness". Life isn't always fair. But it shouldn't be purposely unfair.

 

[Charade]

So, I guess it was lucky for you that your neighbors didn't share your POV on sharing the wealth, huh?

I know...it's different, they chose to give after all. But the irony was just too good to pass up.

Nice first post!!

Anyways... there is no irony here. I believe I've read that GotDisney has been quite generous (on her own accord) with returning the kindness she received when she was poor.

 

[ksumn1]

What about those who have an elderly parent that is ill and CAN'T move to where opportunities are better. Or the SAHM who has a developmentally challened or medically disabled child that needs constant care? Or those who tried to get a better education like myself (through a technical college not a regular one) and was unable to find a job in that field after graduation because of the economy? I also worked full to part time and took full or part time classes (depending on the courses available and our finances) as well as being a wife and Mom to 2 DD's. I work at a fast food restaurant for crappy $$ becaue it's a job and I need the flexibility in scheduling because I am once again going back to school next year (real college this time) to be a ....teacher. Doesn't pay great but is something that will provide personal satisfaction as well as more job security. Am I less deserving than a homeless person or someone on welfare BECAUSE I work and am trying to better myself?

I understand the frustration that many feel they worked hard to get to where they are and are in a sense being "punished" for it with higher taxes. But I don't understand the willingness to help those on welfare (some of whom do abuse the system) but balk at the fact that those who are middle class are getting a tax break. Most of whom DO work, pay taxes, have medical insurance (that costs 25% of my DH's gross pay), do not get assistance from anywhere (make too much $$) other than a tax cut at the beginning of the year and while aren't poor definately aren't financially comfortable either. This logic just seems a little skewed to me.

And personally I wouldn't be happy about it but if paying a little more on my taxes or getting less of a check back form the IRS would help balance the buget and reduce our deficit, I would support it. We have to get our country back in better fiscal shape. Otherwise, our children and grandchildren will be paying for the mistakes government made in OUR time. IMHO, at least Obama's plan will make an effort toward this.

 

[nosoupforyou]

Well, this is not a true story, just another of those viral emails floating around. Also, that's not how the system works. Hey, if you make more than $250K and are in the top 5% income bracket, then honesty you need not be concerned about your taxes. You've benefited from tax breaks and loopholes for years as "W" helped line your pockets, and would only be paying back at the same rate you paid 10 years ago under Obama's plan. Dollar for dollar, there is no inflation going on here and compared to 10 years ago, you would be paying the same amount of tax.

Not very many people make over $250K, but gosh darn, we must have the richest folk in the nation on The Dis because so many people "claim" to be in that tax bracket. I think secretly you don't want to admit that you'll be better off under Obama's tax plan.

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that

read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.


Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed

as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that

I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there

in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who

I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside.

The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as

I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was very grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the

homeless guy was very grateful for the money he did not earn,

but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn

Even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than

in practical application.


OR IS IT.........REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA.............

or just a fools game !!