Am I the only one who doesn't get the "Occupy Wallstreet" movements

[FoundMyPrince]

Have you tried going on say to Law school, or Medical school.. that isn't just a Masters.. and you really cannot "work" while doing that.. this is what I am trying to say.. my DD worked while going to school, and I paid along with her.. read my post.. we have no loans.. zip, nada.. nothing.. no loans.. in fact, I am debt free.. I even own my home outright.. and yes, as others are saying, there is a choice.. but ask your doctor about a choice.. ask an attorney about a choice.. ask your professor's about a choice.. ask anyone who has gone past their "Masters" about a choice.. Once you hit that level of education, you really cannot "work" while attending and it is a bit expensive.. look into the price... Unless you take on class a semester.. and it takes you years to finish.. otherwise you are talking student loans...

here is some info... can you afford this.. I know I cannot.. even a few classes at a time..


http://hms.harvard.edu/admissions/default.asp?page=costs
Costs

Harvard Medical School tuition rates are reset annually and cover courses taken from August 1 through June 30 each year up to the final year of enrollment ending with graduation. Tuition is billed by semester. Two forms of term bill payment are available: payment in full by semester or monthly payments (payments for the year are spread over eight months). The monthly payment plan carries a service charge of $35 per semester.

An estimate of yearly expenses shows that the average cost for an unmarried first-year student will be approximately $73,000 for the 2011-2012 academic year. This estimate includes tuition, health service fee and insurance premium, room and board, books, travel, transportation to clinical sites, laundry, and incidentals. Students whose homes are outside the northeast region of the United States may experience travel costs beyond the scope of this estimate.

Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention, but I'm not sure these guys sitting on Wall Street are all medical school students, or wanted to be medical school students. Perhaps they are.

 

[Anjelica]

Thought this was a bit funny from the 53% website.

 

[Nina1]

You are FAR from alone!! I don't quite understand the mindset and philosophies of many of them. They are upset that somebody has a nice house and a quality car, but they are unwilling to get a job to earn such things for themselves. If you want a nice house and a good car, get a job and work hard and buy them - THAT'S the American way. America allows them to complain in public, but America also allows them to get a job -- it's their choice. I just don't understand the choice they've made.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Additionally, I wonder if any of these people ever got a job from a poor man. Oh wait a minute...they're not interested in working. Only criticizing those who do while trying to figure out a way to have those who work pay for their Starbucks. Give me a break. Quit whining, get a job and quit sponging off the rest of us. I'm so sick and tired of this entitlement mentality. If they are so interested in a nanny state, find a way to move to England or Cuba or the like and leave the rest of us who want to be in control of our lives and work to achieve our dreams alone. They are an embarrassment to our great country.

 

[Nina1]

I enjoyed this:

LOVE THIS and kudos to you, Mr. College Student.

 

[mello]

chuck out the lobbyist.

This

 

[A Mickeyfan]

The whole thing is organized by certain organizations. All they have to do is find a bunch of brainless, out of work sheep, to brainwash for their cause.

I really disagree.. I think the sheep are the ones like me and you, the working ones.. unless something hit our family to make us realize what is happening to America.. we don't understand it.. It is sort of like going through a natural disaster.. you really cannot imagine it unless you have have first hand knowledge, experienced it & were hurt by it. I would think many at those protests have a higher level of education... I do also think that there are some who just joined in for the heck of it.. and have no clue why they are really there.. kind of just along for the ride... but for the most part, they have a reason. I know if I weren't working, I would be there. I am thankful to have a job. I do know my DH was effected by corporate greed several years ago. He worked for a company 17 years.. a major company. He was at top pay.. and had 3 years for retirement.. they let him go.. claiming he could no longer perform his duties due to his "injury".. his "injury" that he got on the job.. He hired an attorney since what they had done to him was illegal.. You cannot terminate ones employment due to an injury.. workers comp injury.. beside the fact, he was able to perform all duties.. the doc completed all his forms. The company just wanted him out to hire someone younger, and for 1/4 of the pay. My DH won the case, took the money and has an open medical on in the event he ever needs the leg operated on again. Since the company had done that to him, they managed to terminate every person in his department for "other" reasons.. to hire younger, and cheaper labor.. since 2004, they have managed to do a complete turnover in that department.. including the managers who did the terminating.. they ended up being booted out too by corporate.. all for lower paying employees... You see, this is why I agree with all of these protests.. I agree with how corporate greed needs to stop. My DH was lucky, the company was stupid with him, they put it in writing how they were terminating him due to his injury.. so he was able to sue. The others weren't so lucky.. they got nothing but the boot.. Is it right that a fortune 500 company can do something like that? All of these people lost their retirement funds.. my DH got some of his through the suit... but not what he would have gotten had he worked and actually retired in the 3 years...

 

[allison443]

I don't agree with the protests, etc. especially since I watched a few interviews of some complaining about their student loans - it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Now I did catch a story regarding the 53% which has picked up some air time since the protesting of the "99%". 53% of Americans pay taxes while 47% of Americans pay NO taxes.

Check out the website with some of the stories - some of those are very inspiring and are really about the working hard for what you get mentality.

http://the53.tumblr.com/

Some of those 47% are here on the dis..just read the posts around tax time

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I enjoyed this:

congrats to you.. what degree did you earn? are you a doctor, attorney, pharmacist, university professor, ? or did you just get your BA or maybe Masters.. and I do not mean this in a mean way.. honestly.. because if you have earned anything higher, I truly want to know how you have done it working and getting those grades.. my DD earned her BA and graduated with a 3.87..and her DECISION is to hold off on getting her Masters right now due to funds.. she is currently living in Hawaii and we cannot afford the out of state tuition at the University of Hawaii, as she moved there from Florida.

 

[FoundMyPrince]

I really disagree.. I think the sheep are the ones like me and you, the working ones.. unless something hit our family to make us realize what is happening to America.. we don't understand it.. It is sort of like going through a natural disaster.. you really cannot imagine it unless you have have first hand knowledge, experienced it & were hurt by it. I would think many at those protests have a higher level of education... I do also think that there are some who just joined in for the heck of it.. and have no clue why they are really there.. kind of just along for the ride... but for the most part, they have a reason. I know if I weren't working, I would be there. I am thankful to have a job. I do know my DH was effected by corporate greed several years ago. He worked for a company 17 years.. a major company. He was at top pay.. and had 3 years for retirement.. they let him go.. claiming he could no longer perform his duties due to his "injury".. his "injury" that he got on the job.. He hired an attorney since what they had done to him was illegal.. You cannot terminate ones employment due to an injury.. workers comp injury.. beside the fact, he was able to perform all duties.. the doc completed all his forms. The company just wanted him out to hire someone younger, and for 1/4 of the pay. My DH won the case, took the money and has an open medical on in the event he ever needs the leg operated on again. Since the company had done that to him, they managed to terminate every person in his department for "other" reasons.. to hire younger, and cheaper labor.. since 2004, they have managed to do a complete turnover in that department.. including the managers who did the terminating.. they ended up being booted out too by corporate.. all for lower paying employees... You see, this is why I agree with all of these protests.. I agree with how corporate greed needs to stop. My DH was lucky, the company was stupid with him, they put it in writing how they were terminating him due to his injury.. so he was able to sue. The others weren't so lucky.. they got nothing but the boot.. Is it right that a fortune 500 company can do something like that? All of these people lost their retirement funds.. my DH got some of his through the suit... but not what he would have gotten had he worked and actually retired in the 3 years...

Let's say that everything is as you say it happened in your writing (and I have reason to believe otherwise). What if these folks targeted that one company rather than a sprawling sidewalk with no specific agenda, course of strategy, or leader?

 

[WheelCEO]

congrats to you.. what degree did you earn? are you a doctor, attorney, pharmacist, university professor, ? or did you just get your BA or maybe Masters.. and I do not mean this in a mean way.. honestly.. because if you have earned anything higher, I truly want to know how you have done it working and getting those grades.. my DD earned her BA and graduated with a 3.87..and her DECISION is to hold off on getting her Masters right now due to funds.. she is currently living in Hawaii and we cannot afford the out of state tuition at the University of Hawaii, as she moved there from Florida.

Not me, just a great response that I found posted on a site.

I am however very fortunate as well. While bitter about what I had to go through to get to where I am today; I am here now.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

So. How many Harvard-educated physicians do you estimate to be among the protesters at OWS?

don't know, next time you drive past a bunch of protesting people stop and ask what their level of education is, and ask them why they are doing it..
Can you tell me how many aren't potential Doctor's, Pharmacist's or Attorney's? didn't think so... just as I cannot tell you how many are..

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Not me, just a great response that I found posted on a site.

I am however very fortunate as well. While bitter about what I had to go through to get to where I am today; I am here now.

so this wasn't you.. seems many can say they have a degree and aren't in debt, while that is true and I do agree to a point. Anyone can make a choice of not going into debt for a degree up to a Masters.. but anything beyond that will cause one to go into debt.. I don't care what anyone says.. the only way not to is to have had money to begin with.. and a good sum of money that is.. it is impossible to work when you are at that level of education.. and it is extremely expensive to continue on past your Master's. I don't seem to see anyone here saying they have a PH'D or they are a Doctor, Attorney or Pharmacist..or anything that would require a higher level of education stating that they are "not in debt"... again.. this is not meant to be nasty or offend anyone.. just merely trying to make a point that doesn't seem to be seen very easily here...

So when you say it is a "great response" just how great is it.. to what level of education has this person gone.. you don't know? Heck, she could have gotten an AA and it took her 3 years..

 

[Marionnette]

don't know, next time you drive past a bunch of protesting people stop and ask what their level of education is, and ask them why they are doing it..
Can you tell me how many aren't potential Doctor's, Pharmacist's or Attorney's? didn't think so... just as I cannot tell you how many are..

You're the one who is going on and on about how expensive it is to attend medical school (and one of the most expensive ones in the country at that). You're the one who is making a connection between the protesters and the high cost of tuition for professionals. How about you pony up the statistics to support your theory?

Seriously, I can tell you that anyone who is in medical school (or pharmacy, or law) doesn't have the time to be wasting with a bunch of malcontents with no clear agenda when they are shoulder-deep in midterms.

And if they've graduated, then they are either busy doing their residency or building their practices.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

You're the one who is going on and on about how expensive it is to attend medical school (and one of the most expensive ones in the country at that). You're the one who is making a connection between the protesters and the high cost of tuition for professionals. How about you pony up the statistics to support your theory?

Seriously, I can tell you that anyone who is in medical school (or pharmacy, or law) doesn't have the time to be wasting with a bunch of malcontents with no clear agenda when they are shoulder-deep in midterms.

And if they've graduated, then they are either busy doing their residency or building their practices.

no, you are the one who asked.. I merely tried to show how one could and would be in debt due to college.. I showed how expensive it can be to attend.. seems some here think college ends at the Masters level.. sure, you can remain debt free up to that level.. but beyond that you cannot.. you will endure some debt to continue on past that.. and you cannot work while going for some degrees beyond your Masters.. When my DD looked into law school at UF, she was told by the admissions office that you are NOT allowed to work during your first year in law school.. and I want to say off the top of my head that tuition was like $43K... not sure about you, but I cannot afford that nor could she.. not even the two of us together.. she would have had to taken out loans to attend..

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Let's say that everything is as you say it happened in your writing (and I have reason to believe otherwise). What if these folks targeted that one company rather than a sprawling sidewalk with no specific agenda, course of strategy, or leader?

Oh trust me it did.. owned by Gannet Newspapers.. I don't know how far back searches go on this board... but if you searched my name.. you will see I posted when this happened to my DH.. I had a Disney trip planned for us that summer.. he was let go in April of 2004...

It isn't only this company, but other company's as well.. I only gave his as the example.. why would people protest only by his.. and if they did.. then it wouldn't get media coverage.. they are the media

 

[WheelCEO]

should be good

 

[FoundMyPrince]

no, you are the one who asked.. I merely tried to show how one could and would be in debt due to college.. I showed how expensive it can be to attend.. seems some here think college ends at the Masters level.. sure, you can remain debt free up to that level.. but beyond that you cannot.. you will endure some debt to continue on past that.. and you cannot work while going for some degrees beyond your Masters.. When my DD looked into law school at UF, she was told by the admissions office that you are NOT allowed to work during your first year in law school.. and I want to say off the top of my head that tuition was like $43K... not sure about you, but I cannot afford that nor could she.. not even the two of us together.. she would have had to taken out loans to attend..

We get it. Medical school is expensive. Go figure. What would you want these folks protesting on Wall Street do about your situation? Pay tuition for your daughter rather than her be in Hawaii right now? I'm just not sure what the end goal is.

 

[FoundMyPrince]

Oh trust me it did.. owned by Gannet Newspapers.. I don't know how far back searches go on this board... but if you searched my name.. you will see I posted when this happened to my DH.. I had a Disney trip planned for us that summer.. he was let go in April of 2004...

It isn't only this company, but other company's as well.. I only gave his as the example.. why would people protest only by his.. and if they did.. then it wouldn't get media coverage.. they are the media

Very sorry -- my post should have read " no reason to believe otherwise". Once again, very sorry. I didn't catch my error until you responded.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

We get it. Medical school is expensive. Go figure. What would you want these folks protesting on Wall Street do about your situation? Pay tuition for your daughter rather than her be in Hawaii right now? I'm just not sure what the end goal is.

She is working in Hawaii.. she isn't a bum? what do you think she is doing there? she cannot find work in communications or as a para legal so she took a serving job, actually 2 of them.. she holds an AS in Para Legal Studies (certified with the bar association), AA, and BA in communications.
So far in the last month she has interviewed with Fox news (she interned at our local FOX when in college and hopes that helps out there), Disney Vacation Club HR position, Ghirardelli Chocolate's (HR), Honolulu's School District, PF Chang's office HR (where she is currently a server). She is also waiting to hear back from the Navy where she has spoken to a Recruiting Officer about enlisting in the service. With her degree, she can take the Officer's test and enter as an Officer. She is 23 years old. She owns her own car, 2011 fully loaded Sonata, free and clear, paid for by her own money she earned as a server while attending college. My DD is no bum... She has her own apt in Hawaii.. not sure if you have heard, but jobs are really hard to get now a days... especially for those who are recent college graduates.. hence, the many young adults you see at these sites protesting...

my end goal? to explain why some are in debt from student loans... not sure if you read these threads..did you? if you did, you would have seen that... I love when some jump in half through and not see all and just asssssume things.. all I tried to do was show why and how some have debt.. why some cannot see that is beyond me

 

[KennesawNemo]

so this wasn't you.. seems many can say they have a degree and aren't in debt, while that is true and I do agree to a point. Anyone can make a choice of not going into debt for a degree up to a Masters.. but anything beyond that will cause one to go into debt.. I don't care what anyone says.. the only way not to is to have had money to begin with.. and a good sum of money that is.. it is impossible to work when you are at that level of education.. and it is extremely expensive to continue on past your Master's. I don't seem to see anyone here saying they have a PH'D or they are a Doctor, Attorney or Pharmacist..or anything that would require a higher level of education stating that they are "not in debt"... again.. this is not meant to be nasty or offend anyone.. just merely trying to make a point that doesn't seem to be seen very easily here...

So when you say it is a "great response" just how great is it.. to what level of education has this person gone.. you don't know? Heck, she could have gotten an AA and it took her 3 years..

I have two Masters and my husband has a Ph.D. We don't have any student debt.

My 1st master and DH's Ph.D are fully paid by merit based scholarship. We studied very hard and lived extremly frugal when we were still in school. We also worked part time teaching undergraduate classes.

We got married while in school but it was not until 12 month after that we upgraded my full size mattress to a 2nd hand king size one, because the budget was not there. My night stand for 2 years was a paper carton fully covered by table cloth. Before we got married, my husband rode a bike to everywhere in the crazy southern Californa sun. It was hard but I never felt I was dying. It's totally livable.

My 2nd Master was paid by ourselves after DH started working. I took 12-18 credits each semester to get the biggest bang out of my capped in state tuition. I finished at least 6-month ealierer. All that time we were raising a one year old baby. Husband worked the day and I took night classes.

I have to say, though, we are not Medical Doctors, attoneys or pharmacists. But, at least, Master or PHD with no debt is doable.