All resort non-smoking

[dannyh23]

I'm done with the thread guys... as Sammie said, nothing any one of us will say in this thread will cause anyone to change their mind about the new policy.

 

[Chuck S]

If you are concerned about raising health insurance premiums your actions should be more directed to some form of tort reform.

Don't believe that, they passed some kind of reform/limit here in TX a couple years because the "Doctors would go elsewhere...blah blah blah." The insurance premiums have since risen so high that many small businesses are dropping it as an employee benefit.

I went in for a simple blood test...$375.

 

[TMB1203]

I don't know what you expect me to say, Danny. It's all good?

Well, it's not...at least for me, and families like mine.

Perhaps if I'd had a decent amount of notice (not one crappy little month) and a map showing where people would be allowed to smoke, so I could figure out how to make this work, I could feel better about it.

I don't like smoke all that much myself. But I do love my family members who smoke.

Jodifla....

I have family members that smoke and I love them too. However, it seems like you feel that this is a personal attack on you and your family..and it's not. We did not ask WDW to change the policy and not give members/guests notice, please stop directing all your anger towards the disboards and those on it.

I agree that they should have given more notice, but they didn't and it's time to deal with it. There are bigger things in the world to worry about.
Spend quality time with your dad while you have it..enjoy every minute you have with him. While that may mean doing something besides Disney b/c of the smoking ban, that's up to your family. There are other places to go..either with cash or converting points.

The name calling and condesending remarks are getting old. Perhaps you need to take a break from this thread until you can discuss the topic at hand rationally.

Best wishes to you and your dad.

 

[rie'smom]

Disney might decide it's more cost effective to keep Pooh sized people off the rides because the rides will then require less maintenance.
This is not meant to offend but to point out what happens when the slippery slope is climbed.
Every once in a huge while,I smoke. This is not about those few times but about choice and personal responsibility. I don't like Big Brother be it WDW or the government making these kinds of choices for me. I think that Disney should have instead designated certain buildings at each resort for smokers.

 

[tubtruck]

Great news one small step nearer to the world been free of this addictive killer.

 

[DVCconvert]

I'm wondering how; if some find it problematic to be on an outside patio or balcony with a smoker who isn't smoking in their room - can possilby manage to exist anywhere near a bus stop...or downwind in a park following fireworks.
Certainly, hydrocarbon combustion is no better than any other type of smoke - are those who wish to ban a member/guests use of balconies/patios to smoke willing to accept WDW transport to switch to cart and mule transport? Burning LP in aggregate is not much better, but if there were no buses and only mules and horses pulling carts, the resulting methane form the tens of thousands of animals needed would create other outside air issues.

How do those folks who can't stand being outside on a balcony and cannot withstand someone smoking 10 feet + away fare with randomly encountering other members/guests who apply 'gallons' of perfume to their bodies every day? The volatile organic compounds that throws off must also be a near death event?

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

Disney might decide it's more cost effective to keep Pooh sized people off the rides because the rides will then require less maintenance.
This is not meant to offend but to point out what happens when the slippery slope is climbed.
Every once in a huge while,I smoke. This is not about those few times but about choice and personal responsibility. I don't like Big Brother be it WDW or the government making these kinds of choices for me. I think that Disney should have instead designated certain buildings at each resort for smokers.

As I have said a few times in the past smoking not only effects you but everyone around you! This is not a big brother watching over you situation. It is more about the right to breathe air free of smoke! Granted you may not be one of those people who feel they can smoke where ever you please. But, how often do you see that person lighting up where there not supposed because they feel they are entitled! I think addicted is more the better word.

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

I'm wondering how; if some find it problematic to be on an outside patio or balcony with a smoker who isn't smoking in their room - can possilby manage to exist anywhere near a bus stop...or downwind in a park following fireworks.
Certainly, hydrocarbon combustion is no better than any other type of smoke - are those who wish to ban a member/guests use of balconies/patios to smoke willing to accept WDW transport to switch to cart and mule transport? Burning LP in aggregate is not much better, but if there were no buses and only mules and horses pulling carts, the resulting methane form the tens of thousands of animals needed would create other outside air issues.

How do those folks who can't stand being outside on a balcony and cannot withstand someone smoking 10 feet + away fare with randomly encountering other members/guests who apply 'gallons' of perfume to their bodies every day? The volatile organic compounds that throws off must also be a near death event?

I think your taking it to extremes here! Yes, I do tend to cough after the bus pulls away! Although I do like the smell of the fireworks! I like some perfumes some I don't! It's really not about the smell is it though!
This the continuing battle of smokers rights versus the non-smoker's rights and I think the battle is starting to swing the other way! Finally!

 

[Connor' Dad]

Don't believe that, they passed some kind of reform/limit here in TX a couple years because the "Doctors would go elsewhere...blah blah blah." The insurance premiums have since risen so high that many small businesses are dropping it as an employee benefit.

I went in for a simple blood test...$375.

Prop 12, which I believe you are referring to, has lowered malpractice insurance dramatically, which is one of the driving factors in health insuracne premiums. The reason you and many employers are seeing such increases are because of the demograhics of Texas. Texas has the highest amount of uninsured residents in the nation. A recent survey by the Daily Texan found that roughly 24% of Texans are uninsured as opposed to the national average of 14%. With a population of 23 million that would equate to 2.3 million above that national average. The uninsured are not going without medical care and the people that pick up the bill are the consumers who do carry insurance.

 

[disneymom8589]

Thank you Disney! I appreciate the new policy!

 

[DVCconvert]

I think your taking it to extremes here! Yes, I do tend to cough after the bus pulls away! Although I do like the smell of the fireworks! I like some perfumes some I don't! It's really not about the smell is it though!
This the continuing battle of smokers rights versus the non-smoker's rights and I think the battle is starting to swing the other way! Finally!

Extremes???

No, it's not about "smells", but exhaust fumes and pyrotechinc fumes, and perfumes fumes DO interupt the enjoyment of some people with respiratory concerns. Is anyone else's "rights" better than theirs?????

Yes, I do tend to cough after the bus pulls away!

SOME people cough because there are pine trees in the area...should WDW have a 'pine-free policy' too??

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

I don't think the smokers who say they will light up anyway are trying to kill asthmatics. They simply are not taking it into consideration. And yes, there is a difference.

There are how many rooms at Disney? And say 200 people check in on any given day that have a bad reaction to old smoke. Not smoke in the air, but smoke smell on the drapes,etc. Because you have to have severe reactive airway disease for just the smell to affect you so badly you need a hospital. And I DO KNOW that it can happen. I have taken care of kids like that. But the odds of that person checking into the room that the person smoked in....well, according to the thread smokers are a small minority, so the chance would be small. KWIM? They aren't smoking in the room thinking "I hope this kills someone next week!"

They should be considerate. But I ask, do all DVC members refuse to bring peanut butter or any products containing peanut butter into the room?? Housekeeping could miss it on the counter and the next family in the room COULD have a severe peanut allergy. It COULD get on their food and send their child into anaphylactic shock.

Most people would never envision that scenario, and therefore, would not think to avoid PB. That does not mean they are uncaring or inconsiderate, it just means that they didn't think of it.

I don't think the people on this thread who say they will still smoke are out to harm anyone intentionally.

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

As I said you are taking it to extremes. If you are allergic to pine trees you stay away from them don't you? Granted I try to stay away from smokers when they are smoking but, sometimes you don't have a choice! I have the occasional respiratory concern myself. As I siad it's the never ending battle of smoker versus non-smoker

 

[DVCconvert]

As I said you are taking it to extremes. If you are allergic to pine trees you stay away from them don't you? Granted I try to stay away from smokers when they are smoking but, sometimes you don't have a choice! I have the occasional respiratory concern myself. As I siad it's the never ending battle of smoker versus non-smoker

So you believe WDW should guarentee a sterile environment?

How do you move trees? How do you stop the wind? What if you are an asmatic that perfumes/fireworks and other allergens are enough to set off an attack?

If a persons respiratory problems are that bad, then they proably should live in an O2 filled plastic bubble, don't you think?

 

[TMB1203]

I don't think the smokers who say they will light up anyway are trying to kill asthmatics. They simply are not taking it into consideration. And yes, there is a difference.

They aren't smoking in the room thinking "I hope this kills someone next week!"

I don't think the people on this thread who say they will still smoke are out to harm anyone intentionally.

2princes2princesses

The issue is that there are people that feel rules do not apply to them and regardless of the smoking ban are going to still smoke in their room. Since Disney has banned smoking from all their rooms anybody checking in now will have to deal with some selfish idiot that decided that they would pay the fine and still smoke in their room.

It's time that they start thinking about their actions and stop living in their own little world.

We teach our kids to act responsibly and that there are consequences to their actions..but these so called "adults" still feel that they have the right to do whatever they want as long as they pay the fine. Who is going to determine what rules can be broken and which ones should be followed? What ever suits us individually? Get ready for chaos!

 

[ammo]

Disney might decide it's more cost effective to keep Pooh sized people off the rides because the rides will then require less maintenance.
This is not meant to offend but to point out what happens when the slippery slope is climbed.
Every once in a huge while,I smoke. This is not about those few times but about choice and personal responsibility. I don't like Big Brother be it WDW or the government making these kinds of choices for me. I think that Disney should have instead designated certain buildings at each resort for smokers.

I stayed away for awhile, but people keep falling into the same old ruts. The resorts are Disney (private) property, and they can place any legal restrictions on their use that they feel make sense from a business standpoint -- and that involves considering legal issues, profitability, corporate image, resort occupancy, guest preferences, trends in the hospitality industry, etc. This smoking policy has not created any new slope, slippery or otherwise. Disney has been making cost-benefit decisions since WDW first opened, which is why 20K Leagues Under the Sea (one example) is now gone, why pets are not allowed in the resorts, and why smoking restrictions have evolved over the years.

If Disney decides that it makes business sense to place certain restrictions on ridership or anything else in WDW, considering all legal, political and financial ramifications, then it will. To borrow from The Godfather, "It's not personal, it's strictly business." And the Orwellian allusions just don't carry any weight as long as you are free to leave Disney property.

 

[Dean]

WAs far as the supersoakers...y'know, I was ecstatic when NY got rid of smoking in bars and restaurants, since even though I smoke, I HATED being in the cloud in places. It is just too much. And when you are eating?? EEW. I always went outside after we would finish dinner somewhere. But I digress. I don't know if basically assaulting people is the best choice. I know that personally, if I lit up say...standing outside of a door somewhere, not in a designated area at the resort, and was not aware of the rule about designated areas at the resort, and some idiot nailed me with a squirt gun, I would be livid and if there was any way to press charges, I would.

A day and I'm 15 pages behind. I'll point out this was in reference to someone suggesting people deliberately blow smoke in people's faces, not someone minding their own business in a designated smoking area. Something far more abusive than spraying you with a water gun.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

So you believe WDW should guarentee a sterile environment?

How do you move trees? How do you stop the wind? What if you are an asmatic that perfumes/fireworks and other allergens are enough to set off an attack?

If a persons respiratory problems are that bad, then they proably should live in an O2 filled plastic bubble, don't you think?

I actually get quite ill from both perfume and the sulfur smell from fireworks. In September, we somehow managed to be downwind from Illuminations and I spent the next morning feeling like I had been kicked in the head and being violently ill. I also ended up mashed next to a lady at a parade who was wearing a gallon or two of something and was sick that night, too.

I know nonsmokers feel that this is Disney trying to protect them, and the PR might agree with the sentiment, but I do not. I think this is about $$. Bottom line. The insurance and cleaning costs outweighed the benefit of having smoking rooms. They tossed in the balcony rule to avoid the mess and the stinky drapes from people who don't close the door when they go out to smoke.

If this was about respiratory effects, all the buses would be electric and perfumes and combustibles that give off carbon monoxide would be banned too. NY has this great clean air thing going. You cannot smoke within so many feet of entrances, yadda yadda. And then a mile away, there is a factory spewing God knows what all over the city, and this whole area smells like an exhaust pipe. And if all Ny'ers quit smoking, this state would sink like a stone.

As I said, I think it is a wise decision, smoking stinks and it ruins furniture, carpeting, and is a fire risk. I do not have enough faith that the guy down the hall put his smoke out before he fell asleep. Heck, I even think the Cruise ships should go no smoking on the verandahs. But not for one second will I delude myself into thinking that this is because anyone is concerned with my health.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

A day and I'm 15 pages behind. I'll point out this was in reference to someone suggesting people deliberately blow smoke in people's faces, not someone minding their own business in a designated smoking area. Something far more abusive than spraying you with a water gun.

Oh, heck, someone blows smoke in another persons face, they deserve to have the gun inserted somewhere, not just squirted at them!!!

You would have my full support in that case.

 

[rie'smom]

Extremes???

No, it's not about "smells", but exhaust fumes and pyrotechinc fumes, and perfumes fumes DO interupt the enjoyment of some people with respiratory concerns. Is anyone else's "rights" better than theirs?????


SOME people cough because there are pine trees in the area...should WDW have a 'pine-free policy' too??

Now that you mention it,I am allergic to some perfumes and body lotions. For some reason Bath and Body and other less expensive scents must be set with something that triggers an allergy. A couple of times I was literally gasping for air. I know at once when I'm near an offensive scent and move away as quickly as possible.