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I wonder how they do decide who to call? I have a library card and am a registered voter and have never been called. DH was called 3 years ago, served, and got another notice 2 months ago.

It happened to be a really bad time with his work and he called and asked if that was a valid reason for deferment. They said no problem.
 
OP- Everyone's relationships are different, but maybe ask the grandparents how they feel about it? Again, I don't know what your life is like but I don't know any grandparents who would hesitate or who would think it was inappropriate to be asked to take off work to care for their grandkids so the parents could go to jury duty.

Course, my dad had to go to Vietnam and my in-laws classmates did, so maybe it's just that comparatively they feel it's a small sacrifice.
 
I wonder how they do decide who to call? I have a library card and am a registered voter and have never been called. DH was called 3 years ago, served, and got another notice 2 months ago.
Here I think they pull from voter registrations & DMV records. So if you are registered to vote or have a driver's license, you can be called. Supposedly it's random who actually gets chosen, some people just seem to be chosen a lot & others not at all.
 
eh, there are 50 years possible to serve, and about 7 that would have been difficult time for me. Most people would be about the same, I would guess.

There isn't any reason that the court can't skip a rotation and and call more often later.

Assuming that everyone has the same sort of childcare options is stupid. It is amazing how many women with little ones are isolated due to exhaustion, and/or ppd. If you are a sahp due to unemployment, there is probably not the cash to pay an outsider. There are a million different scenarios. Being snooty because you managed it, or think when and if it does happen (lol) just shows you are snooty.

The court should allow for volunteers. My husband is 50 years old and has never been called and would love to be called. That makes a lot of sense.

I just don't think SAHMs are any more special then working moms. They shouldn't get a free pass if the working moms don't. If SAHMS think that then maybe they are snooty. :confused3

Every situation is different like you say. But it would be absurd for every SAHM say they can't find childcare. Maybe some can and maybe some can't.
 

Wow this is a heated discussion!

This is just my two cents, take it for what you will. I think the first thing that needs to change with jury duty is adequate compensation, to make up for lost wages. That's easy to accomplish and could be done just by bringing in your paystub from last week. Easy peasy.

As far as the childcare issue goes, similarly compensation can be made for childcare, elderly care, etc.

Then the biggest issue left is care for disabled or other extreme situations.

Again, just my two cents but I'm a military spouse. We've moved every year or two when my children were young. I did all my schooling online during this time and watched my (very young) children. Did I have other childcare options? No. why would I? There was no reason for it. I was there. If there was a TRUE emergency it would have meant either dh taking off work (for a few hours) or literally calling a family member in from another state and paying for their plane ticket. Is that a reasonable option for something like jury duty or does it make much more sense to simply defer it til a more reasonable time?

On a related note, I know in HS I was discussing jury duty with a teacher. He mentioned that when he was called for county jury duty they were more than willing to reschedule him a few months down the line (when he did indeed go in) over the summer so that he didn't miss any work. I don't know if this may work for some, but it could help. I don't know if every court does this.

And finally, in this thread there's a LOT of judging going on. To those who think childcare grows on trees, trust me it doesn't. I had to look long and hard to find childcare after our latest move. When you're new to an area, no you can't just ask at work, church, etc. I had and really still have no one to turn to. There's no family in the area and we've only lived here a few months. Is that enough time for YOU to build an emergency net of close family and friends? If so I could definitely use some hints!

And not everyone gets paid if they're not at work. I get no PTO, but we have enough of an emergency fund that we could cover it for a week or so. I have no idea what would happen if it were an extended period of time like a month or more. Similarly, I'm the ONLY one in my office. I take all the calls, do all the paperwork for our company. It IS a full time job and one taht a temp would have a hard time filling. I'd probably need to go in the evenings for at the very minimum a few hours just to process things. Dh is going back to school, should he miss his finals just for jury duty? Though i do think in his case the idea of shifting to another time (like over the summer) would be excellent.

Anyway, point being life is not always black and white. Obviously I believe in serving my country, and have made many sacrifices to do so. But sometimes the timing simply doesn't line up well. For some people it never will sadly. I also love the idea of volunteering for jury duty. And wouldn't it be nice if you could volunteer say while pregnant and taking some time off so you wouldn't need to be worried about being called in for the next 3 years?

Either way, I do think some changes need to be made, and simply telling people to deal with it very rarely helps matters.
 
It isn't about a free pass. Or "special.." Grow up, please. It is about childcare. If there is someone to care for the child then there is someone to care for the child. Not rocket science.

I don't figure that every sahm wants to get out of duty. I had a sitter I could have called, or my mom, sister, aunt or uncle. You seem to assume that everyone is just trying to get out of it. Not that there is actually an issue.

This is just an issue of a need. Not another shot in the mommy wars. Unless you make it so.
 
One thing I would like to see is to have the jury duty process be better... for everyone.

So I went and we sat around for an hour or two in a holding room. Then we watched a really boring video. Then we sat around for 30 more min. (ok so we could have just came in an hour and 1/2 later and watched the video right away and been all set)

Then we all go up to the courtroom. The judge tells us a bit about the case and reads a LONG list of people that may be involved and asks if we know any of them as well as some other general questions. This couldn't be done by mailing a paper with the list then asking the questions and having a few lines to explain?

This way everyone can get there and start right at the groups of 12 goign in for questioning by the lawyers part. The extra few hours that some people wouldn't need health care, were able to go to work, etc could make a big difference. I normally work 6:30-3:30 so if I didn't have to come in until 10 I could work almost half my day and maybe make up some time at the end too.


Uh, no it could NOT be done because everyone would make sure to find out who some of those people were to get excused. It must be done this way to make sure it is done correctly and honestly.
 
I just wanted to clarify that I know not everyone can develop a network if they live somewhere extremely remote or just moved, etc. I was making a general statement about a trend toward more isolationism in society.
 
I wonder how they do decide who to call? I have a library card and am a registered voter and have never been called. DH was called 3 years ago, served, and got another notice 2 months ago.

I'm an alien resident in the US so clearly I'm not a registered voter (though it is one big reason I've ever considered citizenship; I'd love the right to vote and would take that responsibility very seriously). I was called 3 or 4 times over the 7 years I lived in MO. It must be based on DMV and/or IRS data (I have a driver's license and I pay taxes). Obviously I was excused as you have to be a citizen to serve on a jury though I wish they would allow non-citizens to serve as I do believe in the importance of civic duty.
 
Oh I bet it's taxes...bet DH gets called cause he's the head of household so the taxes get paid in my name.
 
My husband has all the paperwork that should have resulted in being called. It is totally odd.
 
I just don't think SAHMs are any more special then working moms. They shouldn't get a free pass if the working moms don't. If SAHMS think that then maybe they are snooty. :confused3

Every situation is different like you say. But it would be absurd for every SAHM say they can't find childcare. Maybe some can and maybe some can't.

Well, if a mom works outside the home, she's already got some kind of childcare arrangement during the day, so I don't see how she's in the same boat.
 
Well, if a mom works outside the home, she's already got some kind of childcare arrangement during the day, so I don't see how she's in the same boat.

That's not always the case. A lot of moms I know work but are home to get the kids off the bus. They do not have other daycare arrangements so yes they are in the same boat as a SAHM. They would have to arrange childcare "just in case" they can't be home to get the kids from school.

I got laid off a few years back and I am lucky that I don't have to work full time. I work until 2pm so I can get my kids off the bus. If I got called I would have to find someone to watch my kids(if DH is traveling for work, which is often). I am fortunate that I have people I can call and my DH has plenty of vacation time but not everyone is as lucky.

Last time I got called was over the summer. It was for a Monday and I had to call Friday. When I called I was told I was not needed..which was good since I was down the Cape (I did plan on coming home for Jury Duty and heading back down when it was over) My mom would of kept the kids with her.
 
Oh I bet it's taxes...bet DH gets called cause he's the head of household so the taxes get paid in my name.



When I turned 18 I got my license and registered to vote within a few weeks of each other..I got summonsed to Jury Duty VERY shortly after wards.
 
Childcare is Childcare. It isn't an us against them issue. Children too young to be left alone need care. Whether all day or partial.
 
Well, if a mom works outside the home, she's already got some kind of childcare arrangement during the day, so I don't see how she's in the same boat.

Perhaps not. But you will lose pay and have to pay childcare so it's the same boat financially wise for both.

Childcare is childcare. All parents have to find at some point or another like the PP says.

My point is that no I don't think SAHM should get off jury duty just because they are SAHMs.
 
That stinks.

I would just show up with my kids in tow since I am the babysitter, aka mom, for my kids if they told me I had to go.
I would not have my dh take the day off of work for me to go since he works FT & can work OT so we'd lose that OT income if he had to take the day off.

I would be calling every day, every hour until I got some answers.


I wouldn't bring my children. We have at least one judge who will give the parents who do this [and many do try] a brief opportunity to find someone to pick up the child before he has his clerk call child services to collect the kids...amazing how quickly the person who thought they were going to get out of duty can suddenly find *someone.*

I know its tough...its tough for everyone...only the most non-productive segments of our society will have *no* difficulty serving. It gets harder every year to find qualified persons to serve, and even tougher to find people who seem to have any interest in anything....a couple years ago a judge had to send a bailiff to a local supermarket and hand out immediate summons [yes, they can do that!]. Its a once a year bill that comes due for living in a free society...
 
I wouldn't bring my children. We have at least one judge who will give the parents who do this [and many do try] a brief opportunity to find someone to pick up the child before he has his clerk call child services to collect the kids...amazing how quickly the person who thought they were going to get out of duty can suddenly find *someone.*

I know its tough...its tough for everyone...only the most non-productive segments of our society will have *no* difficulty serving. It gets harder every year to find qualified persons to serve, and even tougher to find people who seem to have any interest in anything....a couple years ago a judge had to send a bailiff to a local supermarket and hand out immediate summons [yes, they can do that!]. Its a once a year bill that comes due for living in a free society...

What a Jerk. A judge who threw around csb threats like that should be disrobed and would not survive reelection here.
 
I like the idea of having on-site daycare. Resolves the problem!

That being said, I think they do need to excuse people for which it would truly be a hardship. I am dying to go, my work will pay me, so I have no problem. I get called once evry 3 years and never get picked :( But, if they didn't pay me, heck yeah that would be a hardship! Or if they called my Mom, who watches my kids! But I'd figure out something.... I don't have an issue for those truly in dire straits, but for those whose husbands make plenty of money and could afford a sitter, then yes, I have an issue there...
 
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