Agitated Stranger Slaps Crying Tot At Store

This is sort of the same comment I see on many DIS threads. Threads that have to do with weight gain, picky eaters, and the like.

Sure, there are kids who have developmental issues or disorders. We still have to remember that this percentage of children (or people who have weight gain due to medical issues, or kids who have sensory issues that make them only eat certain foods) is small. Sort of like the peanut allergy my son has. While it seems *everyone* has a peanut allergy, in reality it is, what, about 3%? Same holds true for kids who can't control their outbursts. This is the minority and does not account for all those kids in Wegman's and Target that I see every Sunday. No way, now how. As I have said upthread, what I don't understand is why the parents willingly put their kids in this situation. Sure, I don't know everything about their lives but when I'm in Wegman's (an upscale grocery shopping "experience";)) and I see mom and dad sauntering through the Meditteranean Olive Bar with their coffees and they have two kids sitting in the huge plastic car shaped grocery cart screaming their heads off (and it's 9:30 a.m. on a Sunday), I do roll my eyes and think "why didn't one of you stay home?" I really don't want to hear it and this goes on ALL THROUGH THE STORE until they leave.

Not nearly as small as you think. We have three highly structured classrooms in just our school alone that hold kids with severe behavior problems. Then, there are those in the regular classrooms that have to stay there because there is no more room in the HSCs. These children may scream, run out the doors, throw chairs, kick teachers, etc. There are many.

I'm done arguing. What that man did was criminal, disgusting, and atrocious. To bring any other discussion into the thread just diverts attention from the horrible thing he did.
 
Letting your kid scream and throw things and act like a fool in a store is like bringing your dog and letting it bark uncontrollably. Its rude as all get out. Find a time to shop when theyre in school or at daycare or ask a neighbor/friend to watch them for an hour if you cant control them in public.

I think everyone's definition of a tantrum is different.

If my son was doing the things you described, I likely would leave. Him (at the time) doing his moaning/whining thing with variations in the tones is not a tantrum. *I* define what is tantrum is--not some stranger.

*Upsetting or otherwise damaging property would get anyone thrown out of a store.

*Letting them run in a store and causing unsafe conditions for themselves or other patrons is unacceptable. (hence why my son was placed in the shopping cart for failing to follow the rules.
 
I think the same thing even in a "regular" grocery store- why the heck do they need to make it a family outing to the food store with one kid in the cart whining and crying and another one or two that you have to keep darting around with your cart so you don't hit them while mom AND dad food shop- really doesn't need to be a family outing...why not one stay home with the kids and take a nice family outing to the park when the other gets home from food shopping!

My kids love to help with shopping for the family food. What is so wrong with that?
 
I don't think that anyone on this thread feels what this man did was right IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I think what some of us are saying is that parents need to keep control of their children.

I understand when kids get whiney and its not a big deal. I have much patience and babysit for quite young children from time to time.

However, like a few PP's said ignoring your screaming child is unfair to the others, you are not the only person shopping. Children need to be taught respect and how to act when in public places. I know I was taught that when I was a child.....weren't you?

I also agree with a PP about Peds, don't always beleive everything they say. Every child is different. But if the shoe was on the other foot wouldn't you want to have the child stop screaming too?

I also see nothing wrong with talking to your child sternly so they understand what they are doing is not appropriate right now and if they don't stop they will lose Wii or their favorite toy for X amount of days. I feel there are other ways to diffuse a situation like that instead of just ignoring it and going on with your shopping.

Also just because I am not a parent doesn't mean that I don't know anything about children. I am 31 years old and had babysat all diffferent ages my entire teen years and currently have many cousins who are quite young so I do know a thing or two about them.:flower3:
 

I am fascinated by the number of you who say you would have harmed the man in question. I saw the video of him and he has serious problems. You would have had no idea of whether or not he was armed and the situation very well could have ended with a child who had a dead mother. The mother did the right thing.
 
I don't believe in the 'ignore' method of dealing with kids. Speaking for myself, I can say with the utmost certaintly that I would never allow my child to scream and yell and disrupt a store-full of people, as I find that type of attitude selfish. If my child had some extreme mental issues and, literally, had no control over their behavior (for true medical reasons), I would plan my shopping trips at times when I could leave them home. People need to think about others when they choose to let their children scream bloody murder in inappropriate places and completely ignore the behavior. It's the right thing to do. Do you really want to live in a world where everyone only cares about themselves? Think about that. People who "ignore" their children haven't learned, or refuse to use, other tools/methods to handle the situation. And there ARE other ways....you have to start when the child is young and be consistant. Some children are more stubborn than others, but if you are committed to changing or redirecting this behavior, you will learn ways to deal, other than, 'I'm going to let Johnny or Suzy pierce the ears of everyone in this store and I don't give a d... because they are strangers and they don't matter'. This ignore 'method' truly sends the wrong message to kids, and those kids are not going to learn how to cope when they are older. I feel that ignoring bad behavior is the eqivalent to condoning it. Who cares if Johnny gets louder if you leave the store. Take away his favorite video game or give him some sort of consequence when you get home (extra chores, early bedtime, no TV, etc...). Good behavior gets rewarded; bad behavior has consequences. I really respect parents who at least attempt to do something out of respect for everyone else.

Kids who are quietly whining or complaining.... it's gonna happen sometimes---but does not disrupt the whole store; however, loud, and especially long tantrums.... I don't know how parents tune them out-- when I see this, I think 'neglect'.

ETA: I also don't listen to EVERYthing the pediatrician says.... one time a ped. I took my child to was talking about how there is nothing wrong with feeding kids sugary cereal all the time because it has vitamins added to it. What? Aren't they suppose to encourage healthy eating habits? Also, our ped. refused to have my child allergy tested when I had a strong suspician she had some serious food allergies. I did it anyway and confired not only a peanut allergy, but many other allergies. If I had not gotten the testing done, I would not have known for certain all the foods my child was allergic to, and that could have put her in harms way. I could give many examples of bad advise I've been given by my doctors as well. Doctors are not God, and don't always give accurate or the best advise.

Believe me, it wasn't the only option I had used, it took alot of trial and error. Like I said I have 3 kids, I know how to make my children behave in public, when to take them out etc. In fact I'm still accused (by family mostly) as being overly strict and uptight about things. My third child was different, at 2-3 years old he did not respond to the same discipline as the other two did. We had tried many things to control his tantrums, and yes all the while, discussing his behavior with his pediatricain, who I trust completely. Together we found that was the best thing to do for him, it wasn't some blanket advice he gave to all his patients, it was the last of a few things we tried. Sorry if his tantrums were rude to some, but the truth is my concern was him not some customer in Target.
Parent the way you choose, and I'll parent the way I choose. You don't like my methods, don't use them, and continue to post about them on a messageboard and judge away. I'm content in the notion that I did the right thing for the situation for my child. In fact my children, all of them, are very well behaved and very respectful, and I couldn't be more proud of them, and its all because of how they were raised. I wouldn't change a thing.

For all the people who think it so easy for a mother with a tantrum prone child to go shopping at another time, or just get a babysitter, how about you shop late at night when kids are sleeping.
Or maybe that wouldn't be so easy or convenient for you? I was lucky that I didn't have to go out when it was naptime, or meal time, or could call a someone to come over and sit with the kids but some people don't have that luxury so its not always that simple for them.
 
My kids love to help with shopping for the family food. What is so wrong with that?

Nothing's wrong with that and I don't think anyone is saying kids should not go grocery shopping. I do believe that kids who HATE going to the grocery store should be left at home whenever possible.

I have two kids. My oldest was a PITA as a child. She was irritating at a minimum to take shopping anywhere. So if I could find anyway to leave her at home, I did. Believe me, I *did* actually have to go to the grocery store with her a few times and it was painful. So, she basically never went again after I got the pattern down with her. My son was different and he was never an issue but I found that it was much more efficient to leave the kids at home with their dad.

Now, my best friend's youngest daughter LOVED to go grocery shopping. From the time she was a baby up until age 11 or 12, her and her father went every Sunday morning. Since she loved going, there was no screaming, whining, running loose or anything. She loved to help with the shopping and was well-behaved because she wanted to be there.
 
For all the people who think it so easy for a mother with a tantrum prone child to go shopping at another time, or just get a babysitter, how about you shop late at night when kids are sleeping.
Or maybe that wouldn't be so easy or convenient for you? I was lucky that I didn't have to go out when it was naptime, or meal time, or could call a someone to come over and sit with the kids but some people don't have that luxury so its not always that simple for them.


No one is saying that. I think it's fairly obvious when you are in a store, especially a grocery store where people need to get necessities, and you see a parent that has to be there and has their hands full with a toddler. I actually feel kind of sorry for them and will often try to say hi to the child or do something lighthearted. I've been there. My points about the frustration with screaming children come from the families that are there--two parents who can't even manage to control the kids they came with. And since I go roughly the same time every week, as do other people, I've actually seen the same screaming kids in there on more than one occasion. Those people choose to subject the rest of the world to their overtired, cranky children.

ETA: My BIL is in Afghanistan. His wife is home alone with four kids under the age of 5 (one set of twins). I"m betting her trips to the grocery store aren't too much fun.
 
I saw that in the news, if that happened to me I'd end up being the one arrested because they would have to tear me off of the guy for daring to lay a hand on one of my kids. I am deadly serious too, right or wrong I know me well enough to know exactly how that would play out and it would not end well. Then again, after his first comment I probably would have made such a huge scene he wouldn't have dared to say another word. Something I picked up coming from a city, crazy people usually only stir things up with people who they think will make good victims. Loud mouthy people are not good targets. I tell my kids all the time, their 2 greatest weapons are their minds and their mouths.

True story:
Last year we were at Walmart and my kids were touching everything and being general pains. I kept patiently making them clean up after themselves reminding them not to make anyone else's lives harder because other people would have to clean up after them etc. Keep in mind NOTHING was out of place. So as this is going on, some woman who works at Wal-mart overheard me and took it as an invitation to join in and berate my kids. She dared to interject and unleash on my kids for handling the towels even though I was plainly dealing with the situation and there was zero mess so it had nothing at all to do with her. I put myself between her and my kids , told her quietly and calmly" There is a line and you just stepped over it", dropped all the towels in my hands right on the floor at her feet and told her, "Now you can clean up MY mess" turned my back on her and walked away.

Even now it irritates me that she took my conversation with my own kids as permission to step in but it taught me a lesson abut how people read situations. I now correct my kids privately because some people are just not quite right.

As for people who do not like to be around kids I say too bad, shop at night when they are all in bed, do not expect overwrought Mom's to go out of their way for you when you are the one with the problem.
 
I am fascinated by the number of you who say you would have harmed the man in question. I saw the video of him and he has serious problems. You would have had no idea of whether or not he was armed and the situation very well could have ended with a child who had a dead mother. The mother did the right thing.

I agree. I have to say I have no idea what I would do in a situation like that.

When my DS was 3, I'd gone away on a business trip -- the first time I'd ever been away from him. My DH brought him to a restaurant (family style place like King's or Eat & Park) to pick me up and DS was so excited and getting a little loud at the table. He, too, hand a language delay, so it was mostly just senseless babble.

When I couldn't quiet him down, I took him out to the front of the restaurant away from diners where they had a waiting area -- we were the only ones there, so I let him walk around. He was laughing and babbling at me. There was this guy checking out at the register, so honestly we couldn't have been there very long. The guy kept shooting my son dirty looks and was ticking me off, but also making me a bit nervous because the looks he was giving were just VILE. Scary hostile. Before he left, he actually lunged at my son and snarled something at him. I jumped up and got between him and my son, but there was no way in hell I was going to engage this guy any more than necessary to protect my son from him. I was too scared.

But I sure did fantasize later about all the things I *wish* I would have done to him!
 
As for people who do not like to be around kids I say too bad, shop at night when they are all in bed, do not expect overwrought Mom's to go out of their way for you when you are the one with the problem.

I don't think anyone said anything about not liking to be around kids. Some of us just don't like to be around kids when parents let them run wild or throw temper tantrums and are let to do so, unmindful that they are in a public place. Other people shouldn't be subjected to anothers kids behaving badly.

There is a difference between a child having a mementary tantrum and one who is allowed to do so without any repercussions.
 
I think you read my first two sentences and then got upset. I get that, I can react before I read the entire post too. But if you read to the end of my post, you'll see that I said that it seemed that you indicated they were behaving reasonably but I could really tell from your description. Now that I have a further description, I agree that they were behaving reasonably. They were in their seats and their volume was reasonable. So, YAY FOR YOU for having the children behave civilly even in a fast food restaurant. And PHOOEY ON THAT LADY for being a weenie. :thumbsup2

Kids are absolutely welcome at McDonalds. As long as they don't act like zoo animals - which I don't think yours were.

Oh no....I didn't think you were criticizing. Sorry if I gave that impression. I was just giving more detail. Mainly that I could not believe that someone who obviously did not want to be anywhere near giggling kids chose the ONE booth in the entire restaurant that had kids as her place to sit. :confused3 There were so many other places to sit that it just didn't make sense, KWIM? Maybe she was just pissed off that they got their hands on so many cool Barbies with their Happy Meals and she was leaving empty-handed. :rotfl2:

BTW, I'd never seen walled-in booths at a McD's before. They struck me as a great idea. Many is the time I've wished for one of those when some kid is hanging/jumping/reaching over into my booth while my family is trying to eat. Genius idea.
 
I saw that in the news, if that happened to me I'd end up being the one arrested because they would have to tear me off of the guy for daring to lay a hand on one of my kids. I am deadly serious too, right or wrong I know me well enough to know exactly how that would play out and it would not end well. Then again, after his first comment I probably would have made such a huge scene he wouldn't have dared to say another word. Something I picked up coming from a city, crazy people usually only stir things up with people who they think will make good victims. Loud mouthy people are not good targets. I tell my kids all the time, their 2 greatest weapons are their minds and their mouths.

True story:
Last year we were at Walmart and my kids were touching everything and being general pains. I kept patiently making them clean up after themselves reminding them not to make anyone else's lives harder because other people would have to clean up after them etc. Keep in mind NOTHING was out of place. So as this is going on, some woman who works at Wal-mart overheard me and took it as an invitation to join in and berate my kids. She dared to interject and unleash on my kids for handling the towels even though I was plainly dealing with the situation and there was zero mess so it had nothing at all to do with her. I put myself between her and my kids , told her quietly and calmly" There is a line and you just stepped over it", dropped all the towels in my hands right on the floor at her feet and told her, "Now you can clean up MY mess" turned my back on her and walked away.

Even now it irritates me that she took my conversation with my own kids as permission to step in but it taught me a lesson abut how people read situations. I now correct my kids privately because some people are just not quite right.

As for people who do not like to be around kids I say too bad, shop at night when they are all in bed, do not expect overwrought Mom's to go out of their way for you when you are the one with the problem.

I bolded what I wanted to discuss.

Your children as you stated were making a mess of the towels. An employee came over and spoke to your children, then you in turn throw the towels on the floor??????????????????????????????????? I don't understand your logic there? The employee was doing their job, by making sure that none of the merchandise was ruined in case someone else wanted to purchase it.

Now in your children's eyes does that mean the next time they go in to the store they can do it all over again because they saw YOU do it?:confused3
 
I am fascinated by the number of you who say you would have harmed the man in question. I saw the video of him and he has serious problems. You would have had no idea of whether or not he was armed and the situation very well could have ended with a child who had a dead mother. The mother did the right thing.

FWIW.. if it had been my child, I would have defended myself and my child. I have been taking martial arts for over 8 years and used to have a job training police and military how to disarm suspects/terrorists. I would in a heartbeat make sure that my child and I are no longer in danger. There are ways to do it where the perp will not be seriously/permanently injured but he will still be unable to attack again.
 
I bolded what I wanted to discuss.

Your children as you stated were making a mess of the towels. An employee came over and spoke to your children, then you in turn throw the towels on the floor??????????????????????????????????? I don't understand your logic there? The employee was doing their job, by making sure that none of the merchandise was ruined in case someone else wanted to purchase it.

Now in your children's eyes does that mean the next time they go in to the store they can do it all over again because they saw YOU do it?:confused3

Touching, but not breaking AND ,let me make this crystal clear, being general pains TO ME AND ONLY ME because I, and ONLY I was involved in correcting their behavior. I didn't want them touching the stuff on principle, not because they were doing any damage at that time.

As far as what they learned, it is my intent to teach them to be nice to everyone UNLESS someone messes with them. Hence the original conversations about not leaving a mess for the workers in the store etc. However, IF AND WHEN it happens that someone deliberately tangles with them whoever it is, kid, adult young or old he/she is to be left on the downside of that error in judgment. I stand up for myself, for my kids and for any other person bullied in front of me ALWAYS. I didn't make a mess because I was being careless (which was my lesson to the kids if you still don't follow), on the contrary I gave great care in dropping that mess at her feet. I made a mess because I deliberately intended on putting that woman in her place. She was there to do her job and helping me raise my kids was not part of why she was there, a fact she was reminded of as she picked up the mess I am certain. And yes, I know it was harsh, but I'll be darned if anyone is going to step on my kids in front of my face. She talked to my kids harshly and got exactly that back. Oh, and I sincerely doubt my kids were at all confused over the situation. I told them more or less exactly what I am telling you and I think I'm pretty good at getting my point across.
 
Touching, but not breaking AND ,let me make this crystal clear, being general pains TO ME AND ONLY ME because I, and ONLY I was involved in correcting their behavior. I didn't want them touching the stuff on principle, not because they were doing any damage at that time.

As far as what they learned, it is my intent to teach them to be nice to everyone UNLESS someone messes with them. Hence the original conversations about not leaving a mess for the workers in the store etc. However, IF AND WHEN it happens that someone deliberately tangles with them whoever it is, kid, adult young or old he/she is to be left on the downside of that error in judgment. I stand up for myself, for my kids and for any other person bullied in front of me ALWAYS. I didn't make a mess because I was being careless (which was my lesson to the kids if you still don't follow), on the contrary I gave great care in dropping that mess at her feet. I made a mess because I deliberately intended on putting that woman in her place. She was there to do her job and helping me raise my kids was not part of why she was there, a fact she was reminded of as she picked up the mess I am certain. And yes, I know it was harsh, but I'll be darned if anyone is going to step on my kids in front of my face. She talked to my kids harshly and got exactly that back. Oh, and I sincerely doubt my kids were at all confused over the situation. I told them more or less exactly what I am telling you and I think I'm pretty good at getting my point across.

How unbelievably immature. Talk about setting a bad example for your children.
 
Touching, but not breaking AND ,let me make this crystal clear, being general pains TO ME AND ONLY ME because I, and ONLY I was involved in correcting their behavior. I didn't want them touching the stuff on principle, not because they were doing any damage at that time.

As far as what they learned, it is my intent to teach them to be nice to everyone UNLESS someone messes with them. Hence the original conversations about not leaving a mess for the workers in the store etc. However, IF AND WHEN it happens that someone deliberately tangles with them whoever it is, kid, adult young or old he/she is to be left on the downside of that error in judgment. I stand up for myself, for my kids and for any other person bullied in front of me ALWAYS. I didn't make a mess because I was being careless (which was my lesson to the kids if you still don't follow), on the contrary I gave great care in dropping that mess at her feet. I made a mess because I deliberately intended on putting that woman in her place. She was there to do her job and helping me raise my kids was not part of why she was there, a fact she was reminded of as she picked up the mess I am certain. And yes, I know it was harsh, but I'll be darned if anyone is going to step on my kids in front of my face. She talked to my kids harshly and got exactly that back. Oh, and I sincerely doubt my kids were at all confused over the situation. I told them more or less exactly what I am telling you and I think I'm pretty good at getting my point across.

When you say that your children were being a pain to you and only you that does not seem to be the case because someone else in a public place aka store overheard whatever was going on and felt that instead of someone else going to a manager (complaining) saying kids were making a mess or whathave you. She did her job and corrected your children. I have been in a few stores recently, when a sales clerk did. One was a clothing store and there were 2 young children running and yelling around the store as their Mother, grandmother and Aunt were all there watching Mom try on clothes.

The cashier asked the mother to please not let her children run around the store. She stopped taking care of a customer walked over and asked her nicely and politely. After another 10 minutes of nothing being done. The cashier yelled at her children. They were running in and out of clothing racks bumping into people etc. She had every right to do so. That is a public place and it is her job to keep things under control in her store.

So should that mother be upset and throw all the clothes that she was trying on at her feet and say you take care of it, you can't talk to my children like that? :confused3

I also remember the old saying you break it you bought it. I have also seen many kids break things and parents don't do anything but put it back and walk away. If that was me back in the day...Whoa nelly I would have been in BIG trouble and probably gotten a spank.

Also you say you wanted to teach your children that if someone messes with them, they need to stand up for themselves. Now that I understand completely and I do agree with you, but when that someone is an adult who is asking them to respect something that isn't theirs is a totally different lesson.
 
When you say that your children were being a pain to you and only you that does not seem to be the case because someone else in a public place aka store overheard whatever was going on and felt that instead of someone else going to a manager (complaining) saying kids were making a mess or whathave you. She did her job and corrected your children. I have been in a few stores recently, when a sales clerk did. One was a clothing store and there were 2 young children running and yelling around the store as their Mother, grandmother and Aunt were all there watching Mom try on clothes.

The cashier asked the mother to please not let her children run around the store. She stopped taking care of a customer walked over and asked her nicely and politely. After another 10 minutes of nothing being done. The cashier yelled at her children. They were running in and out of clothing racks bumping into people etc. She had every right to do so. That is a public place and it is her job to keep things under control in her store.

So should that mother be upset and throw all the clothes that she was trying on at her feet and say you take care of it, you can't talk to my children like that? :confused3

I also remember the old saying you break it you bought it. I have also seen many kids break things and parents don't do anything but put it back and walk away. If that was me back in the day...Whoa nelly I would have been in BIG trouble and probably gotten a spank.

Also you say you wanted to teach your children that if someone messes with them, they need to stand up for themselves. Now that I understand completely and I do agree with you, but when that someone is an adult who is asking them to respect something that isn't theirs is a totally different lesson.


In luvorlando's defense, when she first told her story upthread she did state that she knew her children were making a mess, they were bothering HER, and, she was in the process all along of correcting and disciplining them. She was making them put the towels back. Her interpretation of the "event" was that the worker in the store saw her correcting her children and took it upon herself to arrive on the scene and add to the situation. Almost like the store employee enjoyed giving a lecture when it was already in process by the parent. Again, that was her perception of the incident. Who's to say that the store employee perceived it that way. After a long day at Walmart, all the store employee might see/think is "another parent letting their kids run wild" and came over to stop any further damage. So, in luvorlando's defense, she felt she was handling the situation with her kids.

I will add that I disagree with her final moment of handling the situation by dropping the towels. That's just bad, classless behavior...period. No matter how the person is behaving. I think it would have been enough just to tell the employee that she was aware of her children's behavior, she was in the middle of correcting it, and to please stay out of it. Then she should have just left. Having an adult tantrum for whatever the reason, especially in front of your kids, isn't the best thing to do.
 
Touching, but not breaking AND ,let me make this crystal clear, being general pains TO ME AND ONLY ME because I, and ONLY I was involved in correcting their behavior. I didn't want them touching the stuff on principle, not because they were doing any damage at that time.

As far as what they learned, it is my intent to teach them to be nice to everyone UNLESS someone messes with them. Hence the original conversations about not leaving a mess for the workers in the store etc. However, IF AND WHEN it happens that someone deliberately tangles with them whoever it is, kid, adult young or old he/she is to be left on the downside of that error in judgment. I stand up for myself, for my kids and for any other person bullied in front of me ALWAYS. I didn't make a mess because I was being careless (which was my lesson to the kids if you still don't follow), on the contrary I gave great care in dropping that mess at her feet. I made a mess because I deliberately intended on putting that woman in her place. She was there to do her job and helping me raise my kids was not part of why she was there, a fact she was reminded of as she picked up the mess I am certain. And yes, I know it was harsh, but I'll be darned if anyone is going to step on my kids in front of my face. She talked to my kids harshly and got exactly that back. Oh, and I sincerely doubt my kids were at all confused over the situation. I told them more or less exactly what I am telling you and I think I'm pretty good at getting my point across.

I know you wanted to get your message across and didn't have a whole lot of time to think your actions through, but what you did probably didn't have the impact you'd hoped it would. After such an aggressive action, do you honestly think the worker saw the error of her ways? No! You just made her into a victim in her eyes and turned yourself into a crazy lady. You probably would have made your point a whole lot better by simply laying the towels where you got them and going to a manager to complain. I doubt they'd take kindly to a clerk reprimanding customers' children.
 
I think its funny how many of you are swooping in to do exactly what this boundariless woman in Walmart did, which is to swoop in without invitation and tell me how to raise my kids. Since my kids aren't around to witness the dribble I'm good with letting it slide. Knock yourselves out with your opinions and proclamations, I still don't accept that I'm wrong and I don't feel even the tiniest bit bad about it. I'm a grown up and I don't need anyone anywhere to validate my thoughts or behaviors.

I happen to think it is, what were the words used? Classless, childish on & on & on of all of you to drag the topic away from the OP's original subject of assault on a child to chastise me because you think I was too hard on some nosy Walmart hag. Carry on if you must but I think it's disrespectful to the OP, and me quite frankly, but since I'm pretty thick skinned I defer to the OP.

I am off to have a wonderful Sunday:hippie:
 













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