ADR's and gluten free meals

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My wife and I just booked a short notice trip... at the end of this month. We didn't know how difficult it would be to eat (they must need more restaurants, this could be a deterrent for some people). To make matters worse, I recently had to go on a gluten-free diet. While doing my research to confirm that lots of places will accomodate that, I still didn't learn about how far in advance you should make ADR's.

All that matters to us is that I can eat gluten-free but I'm still confused about ADR's. We're staying at the Swan and will not have a car, so we're hoping to stick with park, resort and boardwalk dining. How many reservations do you think we will NEED? Every time we want to eat at all? :confused:

I sent an email to Special Diets yesterday, just waiting to hear back.
 
For what it's worth, I went on a last minute trip to WDW last August 2009 and we only had 3 weeks before we went. I didn't make any ADRs until 2 1/2 weeks out, and it was during free dining, so I wasn't sure what we would get reservation wise. However, I was able to book all the things we wanted, just had to be somewhat flexible about the time. I'm gluten free and milk free, so I understand the challenge of dining out; however, you really won't have a problem at WDW. They are equipped to handle dietary restrictions, and for the most part the can handle walk up dining too.

You can also get some really good meals at CS restaurants too! I recommend Sunshine Seasons at Epcot. Healthful, filling, and definitely a step up from burgers. Plus, you can get GF beer if you wanted!

Honestly, WDW is the best place for safe gluten free dining. I've had great luck there, and I feel so spoiled when I go there too! I get to eat such a variety of food, and it's great!

Special Diets should email you a list of places that have gluten free options and examples. Very helpful!

Good luck on your trip! :thumbsup2
 
Respectfully, "last minute" in August is not the same as "last minute" right now. May is very busy. Grad nights, Star Wars weekends, Memorial day and Flower and Garden show.

If you want a sit down meal, I would make ADRS now and keep calling if you don't get what you want.

For counter service you do not need ADR's. Some places are better than others for Gluten free. You will need to speak with a manager/supervisor before you order and if not on the dining plan you may be charged more.

We have done gluten free pizza at Pizza Planet that was quite good. American Adventure in Epcot offers allergen free chicken. (Several CS offer the allergen free chicken)
 

Thanks. So CS can serve as a Plan B, that's a relief. Although probably extra time and charges may apply. Maybe I should get on this dining plan.

The other issue is, with the crowds being so high, would you advise avoiding evening EMH? I'm not sure how to balance that - crowds vs. extra time. People are advising both ways. I had planned on using EMH but now thinking of changing that. Would the crowd difference be that significant over Memorial Day weekend and beyond?
 
Thanks. So CS can serve as a Plan B, that's a relief. Although probably extra time and charges may apply. Maybe I should get on this dining plan.

The other issue is, with the crowds being so high, would you advise avoiding evening EMH? I'm not sure how to balance that - crowds vs. extra time. People are advising both ways. I had planned on using EMH but now thinking of changing that. Would the crowd difference be that significant over Memorial Day weekend and beyond?

You said you were staying at the Swan? I don't think you can buy Disney's dining plan if you are staying at the Swan and Dolphin Hotels as they are not owned by Disney.
 
Looks that way, but didn't they used to be? That's strange because they do still get the EMH privileges, and it is still called "Walt Disney World Swan".

We may have to settle for a lot of CS but if that's still safe it won't get us down. :)
 
Looks that way, but didn't they used to be? That's strange because they do still get the EMH privileges, and it is still called "Walt Disney World Swan".

We may have to settle for a lot of CS but if that's still safe it won't get us down. :)

You can find menus for both sit down and CS places at www.allearsnet.com. You can get an idea of what you may want to eat.


The Swan and Dolphin share Disney park transportation and EMH. They do not offer the dining plan or the ME from the airport. Swan and Dolphin also charge nightly for parking.
 
The Swan and Dolphin have never been owned and operated by Disney. The Dolphin is a Sheraton and the Swan is a Westin; both are owned by Starwood.

They pay Disney a lot of money to provide the transportation and also to allow their Guests to be eligible for EMH.

But they do not have Magical Express, you cannot have purchases sent to them, your tickets cannot be on the room keys, you cannot have charging privileges one the room key, and you cannot use any version of the Disney Dining Plan.
 
All that matters to us is that I can eat gluten-free ...

I have had lots of experience with food allergies at Disney. My son is Milk and Egg allergic, and by best friend is Celiac. She and I went on a business trip to Disney Dec 2008, and while we had made several ADRs, we also did one walk up. She REALLY wanted to eat in Japan at Epcot because she really misses Japanese Steak Houses. We had called over and over for months trying to get an ADR with no luck. But we just walked up the night we were at Epcot and waited about 30 min, and she got her Japanese steak house expierence. Everywhere we went, they accomodated her soooo well. Just FYI we also ate at Whispering Canyon (i think she had the skillet), 50's Prime Time (she had fried chicken!), California Grill (sushi with gluten free soy sauce), Boma (they even made her gluten free zebra domes), and Beaches and Cream (burger and fries, and of course a sundae). We also had a great experience at Spoodles which unfortunately has since closed.

I know we have pictures somewhere. If I can find them, i will post them.

I hope you have a great time, and I have no concerns that you will be able to eat, and eat well. Happy Dining!
 
Thanks for all the great advice!

I haven't heard back from Special Diets yet (maybe because its a weekend) but from the sound of things I didn't want to wait. We were able to book some decent ADR's, almost 1 each day so far. Since I've heard that CS will accomodate us maybe this will be adequate? I'd rather not get reservations for every meal and have to run around all day, eating expensive every time, unless any of you think I should :scared:. Will there be a difference in added wait times between CS and ADRs? Would the extra charges be that significant? I guess I've assumed that we'd be ok with some CS.

Well anyway here's what we've got so far, what do you think:

May 28 - Garden Grove at the Swan the day we arrive.
May 29 - Princess Storybook Dining at Akershus Royal Banquet Hall (Epcot) (for late lunch. CS for dinner. No EMH this day.)
May 30 - The Plaza at Magic Kingdom (7 pm, good time despite huge evening EMH)
May 31 - None yet. Second thoughts on doing Blizzard Beach since we found tickets must be bought separately. Didn't budget for that so we're deciding how much we want to do it.
June 1 - Biergarten Restaurant in Germany, Epcot (dinner).
June 2 - Sci-Fi Dine-In at DHS for lunch, CS for dinner.

We booked them all online and checked off the wheat/gluten allergy notification.
 
Thanks for all the great advice!

I haven't heard back from Special Diets yet (maybe because its a weekend) but from the sound of things I didn't want to wait. We were able to book some decent ADR's, almost 1 each day so far. Since I've heard that CS will accomodate us maybe this will be adequate? I'd rather not get reservations for every meal and have to run around all day, eating expensive every time, unless any of you think I should :scared:. Will there be a difference in added wait times between CS and ADRs? Would the extra charges be that significant? I guess I've assumed that we'd be ok with some CS.

Well anyway here's what we've got so far, what do you think:

May 28 - Garden Grove at the Swan the day we arrive.
May 29 - Princess Storybook Dining at Akershus Royal Banquet Hall (Epcot) (for late lunch. CS for dinner. No EMH this day.)
May 30 - The Plaza at Magic Kingdom (7 pm, good time despite huge evening EMH)
May 31 - None yet. Second thoughts on doing Blizzard Beach since we found tickets must be bought separately. Didn't budget for that so we're deciding how much we want to do it.
June 1 - Biergarten Restaurant in Germany, Epcot (dinner).
June 2 - Sci-Fi Dine-In at DHS for lunch, CS for dinner.

We booked them all online and checked off the wheat/gluten allergy notification.

Special diets does not usually work weekends.

A few examples of extra charges-American Adventure chicken tenders meal is 7.69. Allergen free chicken was 9.99

Pizza planet Cheese pizza with salad 7.79. Gluten free pizza (no salad) 9.99.
 
Will there be a difference in added wait times between CS and ADRs?

You'll have added wait times at both TS and CS locations. Figure the added time will be the same, but the time to order and eat will be much less at CS. If a CS meal would normally be 20 minutes and a TS meal would normally be an hour, figure you'll need to add the same 15-30 minutes (it varies by the person you deal with) on to each meal. The CS is still faster but you'll still be longer than everybody else.

Would the extra charges be that significant?

The extra charges is one of the reasons I love the dining plans. You're charged a single credit no matter what you order, including if you order an allergy friendly meal that would normally have an upcharge when paying OOP. Because WDW is the only place where my kids can actually order a safe dessert, we let them have desserts at every meal so that's even more reason for the DDP for us.

Well anyway here's what we've got so far, what do you think:

May 28 - Garden Grove at the Swan the day we arrive.
May 29 - Princess Storybook Dining at Akershus Royal Banquet Hall (Epcot) (for late lunch. CS for dinner. No EMH this day.)
May 30 - The Plaza at Magic Kingdom (7 pm, good time despite huge evening EMH)
May 31 - None yet. Second thoughts on doing Blizzard Beach since we found tickets must be bought separately. Didn't budget for that so we're deciding how much we want to do it.
June 1 - Biergarten Restaurant in Germany, Epcot (dinner).
June 2 - Sci-Fi Dine-In at DHS for lunch, CS for dinner.

We booked them all online and checked off the wheat/gluten allergy notification.

We stick to only Disney owned restaurants because we have a long list of food allergies so we've never tried Garden Grove.

Akershus is one of our favourite meals. If you eat a late lunch, you probably won't be eating a real dinner. You'll be eating what my kids have called Linner (like brunch but between lunch and dinner).

From what I understand, the Plaza has gluten free breads so you should be able to get a nice meal. My DD12 can't eat most gluten free breads (again, long list of eliminated foods) so we've never tried it.

We've never tried Biergarten because DD12's worst sensory problem is auditory and I don't want to worry about the noise, or with having to sit at a table with strangers as DD12's social issues could make this a potential problem. I've read good reviews.

Sci-Fi also has good reviews but we've never tried it because I'd need to be able to preview the movies in order to be sure that neither of my kids has a meltdown from the movies. They both react to images that you'd never expect so it's not worth it for us to take that chance. Our DHS favourite is 50's PT. That gluten free fried chicken is to die for, as is the dairy free milk shake and GFCF brownie sundae!!
 
We're getting ready for our first visit (since going GF) in a couple of weeks. I haven't been there, but I can tell you some of the things I've learned from this thread, etc!

Somewhere on the Disney site it says that when you make an ADR at a restaurant, you need to email them (if it's at least 2 weeks till your reservation date) at specialdiets@disneyworld.com and they will send you a form to fill out, telling which restaurants you've booked and what your allergies are.

If it's less than 2 weeks, call them at 401-824-5967.

Also, email and ask them for a listing of gluten-free Counter Service offerings. They will send you a small list of CS places from each park and what GF foods they have. That way, you can have an idea of what you might choose when you go to a CS restaurantsaves time.

Ive also heard that at a CS place, you should go right up and ask for the manager, and he/she will take care of you. It might take longer to prepare your GF food, and this helps prevent the problem of your family finishing their meal before you even get yours. Its often only the manager who really understands the GF.

At the ADR table service places, you tell your server and she will bring the chef, usually.

I asked Special Diets if I could eat at some of the Epcot countries CS places (for example, Moroccos Tangierine). Her reply was that it is difficult and risky because of cross-contamination, so I will stay away from those.

Each CS has a large fat book that has all their products and what ingredients in them. So you can ask for this and look through it yourself if you want to. Although it sounds time-consuming.

I have really gotten the impression that doing the ADR TS places will be a lot easier to handle than the CS places. But I have NEVER read of anyone getting sick at Disney because of their GF status.

I hope this helps; Ive been frustrated trying to figure out logistics. Brenda at the special diets email is very helpful, but sometimes I get incomprehensible replies when Lee answers an email. It is hard to get a straight plain answer! Im currently trying to find a list of GF foods available at our resort: POP Century.

Update after going on our trip: when we paid out of pocket at Pinnochio's for GF pizza, there was an extra charge. If we had used a dining plan credit, there would not have been an extra charge.
 
Here are the special lists Diet Services has sent me so far (so you can know what to ask for):

Water Parks Menu Items

OP Allergy Menus for Epcot

No Gluten Added Products (a small list of the restaurants that are certain to have GF and what those items on the menu actually are)

Food Allergy Dietary Reference Sheet updated 11/09

Allergy Free Chicken Tenderloins locations
 
American Adventure chicken tenders meal is 7.69. Allergen free chicken was 9.99

FWIW, I picked up a basket of the allergen free tenders (4 tenders) and baked fries from Electric Umbrella for $8.19, tax included, on 5/5/10. I don't know if it was a mis-entry, if the American Adventure CS includes a drink, or if they're just cheaper at EU. :confused3
 
Thank you all for the input, I'm writing it all down. I got a reply from Special Diets with all of those lists. I haven't had a chance to look at it all yet but it sounds to me that the manager/chef should still always be contacted when you're there because the others won't always understand what you're talking about.

I’m currently trying to find a list of GF foods available at our resort: POP Century.

I wanted to show you something I found from someone else's experience (from http://allears.net/din/guestceliac.htm):

"The only place where we really noticed a lack of accommodations for gluten allergies was at our hotel, Pop Century. The food court was not accommodating at all, and we really had few, if any options for my daughter. We rarely ate there as a result, though we occasionally picked up fresh fruit and potato chips, and purchased milk to put on her GF cereal that we brought. We had one Caesar salad made to order, and it was quite an ordeal, as they kept trying to put croutons in it. I reiterated how important it was that the salad be made in a clean, fresh bowl with clean, fresh salad tongs. She was ill shortly thereafter, so I'm not too convinced that my request was accommodated well. I had alerted Pop Century that we would be coming in with someone with gluten allergies, and asked if there would be anything that they could provide at the food court such as GF pizza or spaghetti, but no one ever got back to me."
 
There is no extra charge for GF food at Disney; all the prices are the same.
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the prices are different on some things. for Example the GF pizza is more.
now at Buffets it is the same price. I have never been charged extra at a ts but I don't eat the GF chicken nuggets I do believe they are more $$
But at 50's prime time I have never paid more for GF fried chicken.
The plaza is great for GF as is the storybook dining for Breakfast, Biertgarden is good too. I really liked the chef there -made me a special dessert.

I have stayed at pop a few times and have never had issues with the chef. Always had a mgr/ chef come out and make/ plate my food. I always say I have an allgery and the MGR/chef will come over and discuss things with me and plate my food . I have never gone through a line and asked the servers to make my food.
 
FWIW, I picked up a basket of the allergen free tenders (4 tenders) and baked fries from Electric Umbrella for $8.19, tax included, on 5/5/10. I don't know if it was a mis-entry, if the American Adventure CS includes a drink, or if they're just cheaper at EU. :confused3

They're just cheaper at Electric Umbrella. You can get the kid's gluten free mac and cheese as a kid's meal ($5 w/ 2 sides and a drink) at Electric Umbrella too. At Liberty Inn it's $6.50 (or more now, probably) with no drink or sides. At Main Street Bakery - it's usually (but not always) <$3.

The same thing happens with the gluten free pizza - how much you pay depends on where you buy it and who you get it from. Your Hotel food court is usually a very economical place to get gluten free pizza, for example. On the other hand, a burger on a gluten free bun costs the same as a regular burger pretty much everywhere.
 
I’ve also heard that at a CS place, you should go right up and ask for the manager, and he/she will take care of you. It might take longer to prepare your GF food, and this helps prevent the problem of your family finishing their meal before you even get yours. It’s often only the manager who really understands the GF.
I would definitely agree with this. I wouldn't expect that it would let you get your GF food before your family finishes their meal - but its the way to go. You can order it all at once though, and they'll usually send it all out at once. We send someone off to order meals at CS the same way we'd send a fastpass runner.

I asked Special Diets if I could eat at some of the Epcot countries’ CS places (for example, Morocco’s Tangierine). Her reply was that it is difficult and risky because of cross-contamination, so I will stay away from those.

Again, I would agree. Epcot WS is a terrible, terrible place to try to get gluten free counter service. American Adventure is a bad deal for gluten free, and most of the rest don't really understand or accommodate special diets. The TS options in World Showcase are pretty good, though.
Each CS has a large fat book that has all their products and what ingredients in them. So you can ask for this and look through it yourself if you want to. Although it sounds time-consuming.
It's far less time consuming than it sounds, actually. I usually ask a cashier for the chef/manager, and if I can look through the book while I wait for them. Then I use the book for anything specific I had a question about. For example - I know that the chicken at Flame Tree is gluten free, but the listings don't usually mention the sides, so I like to double-check them every time. You flip through the book until you find the sides you want and scan the ingredients. MOST gluten is pretty obvious at CS. There's no point in reading the ingredients for chicken nuggets or hamburger buns, but they're in there for whomever it might be useful for.
I have really gotten the impression that doing the ADR TS places will be a lot easier to handle than the CS places. But I have NEVER read of anyone getting sick at Disney because of their GF status.
Oh, well - I hate to be the bearer of bad news - but you have now. Everyone does their best. But mistakes and misunderstandings happen, and I'm very sensitive to gluten. I don't eat at buffets anymore because it's too easy for someone to cross-contaminate things on the buffet. And on prior trips we've visted the same restaurant twice - and the same things weren't gluten free. Not due to a recipe change, but just because someone forgot something or had a different opinion about what was "safe". We usually visit for 10 days at a time, and I'm pretty much guaranteed to have a minor reaction in there somewhere. Sometimes it's my fault (It never occurred to me that ranch dip would have wheat in it, and I somehow missed it buried in the fine print the first three times I read the little packet) and sometimes we catch it before we eat it (I once had a Chef bring me breaded tilapia, with wheat breading. And then not understand why I needed a completely new plate.) and sometimes you don't know what happened -you just have those characteristic symptoms for a few days.

I -will- say that for eating out every meal for 10 days - I feel far safer and get far less sick than I would doing it anywhere else. Disney does an excellent, excellent job and everyone is very vigilant - but accidents and mistakes happen and we do our best to take them in stride.

There is no extra charge for GF food at Disney; all the prices are the same.
Sometimes. Sometimes not. If you just need a gluten free bun or gluten free pasta - they should be the same. Gluten free specialty foods - the chicken fingers, macaroni and cheese, gluten free pasta, gluten free brownies - are not usually the same price as the regular time. Sometimes more expensive, sometimes less. I think averaging on the side of more. Your hotel's food court is the place they're most likely to be the same. Gluten free pizza is the item least likely to be priced the same.
I hope this helps; I’ve been frustrated trying to figure out logistics. Brenda at the special diets email is very helpful, but sometimes I get incomprehensible replies when Lee answers an email. It is hard to get a straight plain answer! I’m currently trying to find a list of GF foods available at our resort: POP Century.

Special diets doesn't have a list for Pop Century - you just need to talk to the chefs there. However; I've stayed at Pop Century... maybe a half a dozen times gluten free. What they have varies. Even within a week. They're out of something, they got something cool in, whatever. Usually they can replicate 95% of the menu in a gluten free version if you want. Looking at the AllEars menu, the things I've had made gluten free include:
Waffle platter (Regular and mickey shaped)
french toast platter
pancakes (regular or chocolate chip)
omelettes
Sometimes they have a breakfast bread (like a gluten free bagel or muffin - these tend to vary)
Olive tapanade/hummus
greek salad
cheeseburgers (on gluten free buns or bunless)
chicken fingers
fries (cheese fries were ok, but the chili had wheat)
chicken penne alfredo (with and without chicken, but with spaghetti instead of penne)
pizza (cheese only - it's the frozen amy's pizza)
macaroni and cheese (again, the frozen amy's)
gluten free cake in chocolate or vanilla (this is a 6" cake and around $20 as I recall)
nachos
beef and broccoli
asian chicken salad
shrimp lo-mein
chicken lo-mein
plain noodles with butter and parmasean
Turkey dinner
Mojo pork dinner
fish of the day dinner (I think this was usually salmon)
brownie fudge sundaes (with gluten free brownie)
fruit and cheese
veggie sticks (last time the ranch dressing that came with them had gluten - they just had me pull a Ken's dressing from the fridge case)
puddings, brownies, ice cream bars, popsicles, etc.

And then we had a bunch of off-menu stuff. Fresh strawberries and pineapple instead of meat with the breakfast platters? No problem. A stir-fry with chicken and mixed veggies instead of meat and broccoli? No problem. Pasta primavera, chicken sandwiches, a million and one variations on asian meat and veg (my perennial favorite). They took -really- good care of us.

Always, always, always ask for the chef, as soon as you get there. The best places to ask are either at the little gap between the pizza counter and the mom's night out counter or the gap between the burger counter and the flatbread counter.

The key that I've found (everywhere, not just Disney restaurants) is to make yourself a recognizable person and to treat every chef like an individual. Introduce yourself, tell them how long you'll be staying, what kind of food needs you have and generally what you like. When we make it clear that we appreciate the extra effort and find their time as valuable as ours - we get better, more interesting food. Likewise if we give some feedback after the meal.

I found that it was very helpful to ask when the best times to come in were, because they weren't always what I expected. I found that within a couple of days I knew the chefs and I knew who's off-the-cuff things we really liked, and who liked to stick to replicating what was on the menu and who liked to be given relatively free reign to come up with something that met our dietary needs.

My dad probably put it best on our last Disney trip. "Now I know why you keep coming back all the time. It's like you have a team of personal chefs following you around all day and giving you whatever you want."
 













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