A happy day for gays everywhere!

[wilde_oscar]

My family and I ate at O'Hanas in December and WE LOVED IT. I tried to call you guys to give a live report but I lost the number.

Ohanna's for dinner has gotten better, the breakfast though... the food is still, um... meh.

I am highly recommending the dole whip machine at Capt' Cooks, it is downstairs and out by the pool sorta. it is self serve, so if you are any good at making giant soft serve towers, you can really get your monies worth. I made one that was about 14 inch tall last time I was there, then watched wishes from the beach... Wishes fire works are much better with out the music, at least for me.

 

[CelticBelle]

LOVE ALL HOMOSEXUAL AND LESBIAN PEOPLE! I mean that with all my heart. I just do not accept people of the same sex being in a sexual realtionship point blank.

How can you truly love someone and then deny them such a joy as marriage and being allowed to have simple rights like you do? My best friend and roommate is lesbian and i love her dearly. When I heard about this law being passed I actually cried. I was truly happy for her and for everyone else this will help. You cant truly love someone and then be against denying them certain rights. Thats like owning slaves and saying that you really do love them.

 

[zulemara]

Since when do we as free Americans have to tolerate everything that is placed in front of us.

since the fact that your intolerance takes away my basic right to civil liberties provided by the government. On the other hand, my lack of belief in your bible does not hurt or take away any freedoms.

At this point let's just agree to disagree. I LOVE ALL HOMOSEXUAL AND LESBIAN PEOPLE! I mean that with all my heart. I just do not accept people of the same sex being in a sexual relationship point blank.

so let me get this straight. All I ever hear is how sex is glorified too much in our culture. It's on tv, in movies, in music, and in video games. Such a thing should be kept private and in the bedroom where it belongs. Yet you're now choosing to bring sex, which is only one part of a relationship, to the forefront of your argument. And furthermore you are denying basic civil liberties based on SEX? How ironic!

P.S. And yes I do think that some biblical principles should be used to govern our country and if the truth be told you do too. I'm sure you don't believe that we should allow people to go around robbing, stealing and killing (biblical principles). I pray that we never see the day that we turn our backs on God just to try to justify our way of living, right or wrong.

2/10 commandments
Thou shall not steal
though shall not kill
though shall not have gay sex? Oh that's right, it's not there. All it says is to be faithful to the one you love.

One major difference here. My ability to have federal protections does not hurt anyone else. Period. Killing, stealing, and robbing does. Don't try to pull out the "it'll cost everyone more in insurance" argument either because I've researched what little numbers there are on MA and the reality is the fact that gays can get married hasn't caused any financial distress on anyone else. Divorce costs this country way more money than my ability to see my bf on his deathbed or provide benefits to him ever will.

Take it easy! I hope to see you guys in Disney World real soon!

I'll be wearing my mickey top hat, happy anniversary button, and holding my DBF's hand gleaming with pride when CMs ask me how long I've been with him.

Mickey and walt are not the only partners around the MK

 

[wilde_oscar]

ya know, what doesn't taste better with bacon.... mmmmmmmmmm, bacon

It's what's for breakfast.​

 

[cocowum]

Well I have stayed silent on this topic for as long as I can. It's amazing to me that people can be so blinded by religion. Bottom line, it's about equal rights! This isn't any different than discriminating against Blacks or Women. And if you think it is, you are kidding yourself!

No one is asking you to support a lifestyle/agenda.

All we are asking for is equality and for the life of me.....I truly can not understand how you can be against that.

Kevin

I agree, I don't understand it either.


Great Job California!!!

And just for the record I am a Married Heterosexual woman who is Puerto Rican, Black and Italian. and it burns my butt that in 2008, in AMERICA, people are still against basic Human Rights!!!


And as for Ohana, I haven't tried it yet, but we have ADR's in Aug. I'll be sure to report back.

 

[cocowum]

Oh and BTW Beautiful Pic!

 

[wilde_oscar]

and don't forget cocowum... you are the governor elect pro tem Esquire the Third protectorate of a yard of faux fur with sun glasses.

 

[CelticBelle]

Wo you are the best. you always seem to lighten up a conversation.

BTW I had a egg and bacon breakfast burrito yesterday. Bacon is a delicious breakfast food. But its also great for dinner too! Wrap your pork in bacon...mmm pig wrapped in pig....(drool)

 

[wishspirit]

I'll be wearing my mickey top hat, happy anniversary button, and holding my DBF's hand gleaming with pride when CMs ask me how long I've been with him.

Mickey and walt are not the only partners around the MK

Thats a wonderful photo!!!

Congrats!

 

[kjetjl]

I do come in peace too. I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle but there are a lot of things I don't agree with and I am sure there are even more people who do not agree with my lifestyle either...

I am not trying to stir up the pot. I would love an honest answer.

What about the sect in Texas where men marry multiple wives, some of whom are allegedly very young girls?

Could they not use the same argument that they only want what is allowed for heterosexual couples?

What is the dividing line between what is acceptable and what is not? I don't think it could be love? Because I am sure those men “love” their wives and family, maybe differently than I would view love.
Maybe differently than you would view love.

Do all of you who agree with homosexuals being allowed to marry, also agree with men being allowed multiple wives, even married to children? If not, what is your explanation/reason as to why this isn't acceptable?
Thanks to anyone who answers.

 

[zulemara]

age of consent. and I do not live a lifestyle I live a life of love with the person I love.

I do come in peace too. I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle but there are a lot of things I don't agree with and I am sure there are even more people who do not agree with my lifestyle either...

I am not trying to stir up the pot. I would love an honest answer.

What about the sect in Texas where men marry multiple wives, some of whom are allegedly very young girls?

Could they not use the same argument that they only want what is allowed for heterosexual couples?

What is the dividing line between what is acceptable and what is not? I don't think it could be love? Because I am sure those men “love” their wives and family, maybe differently than I would view love.
Maybe differently than you would view love.

Do all of you who agree with homosexuals being allowed to marry, also agree with men being allowed multiple wives, even married to children? If not, what is your explanation/reason as to why this isn't acceptable?
Thanks to anyone who answers.

 

[cocowum]

and don't forget cocowum... you are the governor elect pro tem Esquire the Third protectorate of a yard of faux fur with sun glasses.

Thanks for the laugh WO.

 

[kjetjl]

age of consent. and I do not live a lifestyle I live a life of love with the person I love.

Hi,thanks for answering. I didn't mean any disrespect using the word lifestyle. I am sorry if that was offensive in any way.

I understand the age of consent thing. But what interests me is who/what determines the age of consent? Also, what about the women who are of the age of consent? Is it acceptable if they freely enter into a polygamous marriage?

Thanks again for answering.

 

[Chuck S]

Hi,thanks for answering. I didn't mean any disrespect using the word lifestyle. I am sorry if that was offensive in any way.

I understand the age of consent thing. But what interests me is who/what determines the age of consent? Also, what about the women who are of the age of consent? Is it acceptable if they freely enter into a polygamous marriage?

Thanks again for answering.

Same sex marriage to one other person has about as much in common with polygamy as traditional opposite sex marriages have in common with polygamy. Why do people keep trying to draw such comparisons?

In fact, both traditional marriage and polygamy involve opposite sex partners....hmmm.

 

[kjetjl]

What I was trying to inquire about was if those who are in favor of legalizing homosexual/same sex marriage would also be in favor of legalizing polygamous marriages or marriages of minors....not because they are the same thing but right now they are not legal options.

I have heard/read some of the the same reasons for the other two situations such as they want equal rights, they aren't hurting anyone, they love each other, etc. I mostly was curious to why someone who favors one wouldn't favor one of the others.

 

[Chuck S]

What I was trying to inquire about was if those who are in favor of legalizing homosexual/same sex marriage would also be in favor of legalizing polygamous marriages or marriages of minors....not because they are the same thing but right now they are not legal options.

I have heard/read some of the the same reasons for the other two situations such as they want equal rights, they aren't hurting anyone, they love each other, etc. I mostly was curious to why someone who favors one wouldn't favor one of the others.

OK, here are my reasons for not thinking legalizing polygamy is a good idea.

The laws are currently written to apply to a two person marriage (be they the same or opposite sex). Those laws include specific inheritance rights, debt/community property rights, health decision making, survivor benefit rights, etc. All of which, are geared to a two person relationship. The only change in these laws, if any, that would be required for same sex marriage is to de-genderize them. The basic laws themselves, as they apply to marriage rights, would be unchanged. It also would not change any age laws, regarding age of consent. The state has a responsibility to protect minors, and does so through laws that declare at what age someone may enter into a binding legal agreement, including marriage.

For polygamists, laws would need to be totally re-written for plural legal marriages. For instance, (assuming a male with multiple wives) if a husband were to be in a situation where a dire medical decision was necessary. If those wives disagreed, which would prevail. Who would receive survivor benefits, would any amount be divided by all surviving spouses, making the benefit basically useless in many cases? If one of the widows remarried, would the benefits increase to the other widows? Not an easy task to address all of those situations without a total re-write of existing laws.

 

[DisneyKevin]

What I was trying to inquire about was if those who are in favor of legalizing homosexual/same sex marriage would also be in favor of legalizing polygamous marriages or marriages of minors....not because they are the same thing but right now they are not legal options.

I have heard/read some of the the same reasons for the other two situations such as they want equal rights, they aren't hurting anyone, they love each other, etc. I mostly was curious to why someone who favors one wouldn't favor one of the others.

These were the same questions asked prior to the first interracial mariiage...and interfaith marriage.

Personally....I have no problem with polygamy. If the adults involved can make it work....bully for them. (Please note that I said adults.)The problem in Texas isnt polygamy....it's the abuse of children.

What is the difference between a man having multiple wives and having multiple sex partners...or children with different women...other than a religious factor and a slip of paper

When the discussion of gay marriage comes up it rarely takes very long before those who dont believe in the "lifestyle" to bring children and animals into the equation.

We are talking about adults above the age of consent. If you are looking to debate the age of consent...it's an entirely different topic. Stop lumping the two things together.

As for why the word "lifestyle" is offensive.....it denotes that there is a choice. Living at the beach is a "lifestyle". Living in a city condo and only using mass transit is a "lifestyle". My life is no more a lifetsyle than yours. It simply is.

 

[Chuck S]

As Kevin says, the current case in Texas isn't because these men had multiple women, that isn't illegal, unless they actually were to legally marry another woman while being legally married to another woman. These guys aren't filing to make all these women legal wives, and give them legal recognition and rights, their church sanctioned ceremonies are fine with them, and the state really can't interfere there. The case revolves around child abuse and having marital type relationships with minors who are under the age of consent.

You see, a State doesn't have to recognize a religious marriage, and your church, if opposed, wouldn't have to recognize a legal same sex marriage.

 

[wilde_oscar]

the best thing about Texas are the "liberal" gun laws and drive though liquor stores. And if you ask really nice at the drive though liquor store, they will help you reload.

 

[OKW Lover]

You see, a State doesn't have to recognize a religious marriage, and your church, if opposed, wouldn't have to recognize a legal same sex marriage.

And in an odd corollary, my church doesn't recognize my marriage to Valerie. (Yes, I'm a guy.) Seems that in the eyes of the church she's still married to her ex. Nonetheless, I don't have to call my marriage a "civil union".