5/17 to 5/20 BWV Pseudo Trip Report

tjkraz

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Well, it was our first trip Home as members (after renting twice.) I have a feeling that if I try to do a full trip report it will probably end up being 10,000 words. So instead, I'll just share a few random thoughts from our stay.

- Got our first official "Welcome Home" from the CM that checked us in.

- Don't know any more about how rooms are assigned than I did when we left. The CM asked us if we had any special requests. I asked for Quiet Pool view, and she spent about 5 minutes looking before coming up with a room. Are they assigned in advance? Are they assigned at check in? Who knows!!!

- Oh, and you will never hear me make a comment about the "long BWV corridors." I walked farther than that last week at a resort in Tucson. And, with all the walking you do at WDW, that last few hundred feet to the room each time was nothing in my book.

- Room was in great condition. No bugs (bed, or otherwise). I really didn't care for some of the room decor at BWV. But, if this were any other hotel room, I wouldn't have been able to tell you what the room looked like 5 minutes after we left. In other words, since I'm not taking up residence in the room, the decor wasn't offensive enough to deter me from staying there again. (VWL on the other hand--yuch--that's really not my thing. But I know there are people who love it--more power to you. Different strokes...)

- On Wednesday we had a little rain, and the roof to the Boardwalk Resort started leaking right at the entry way under the enormous horse / chandelier thing. Right under the fixture is one of those round sofa pieces, and when I first noticed the leaking they literally had a child's plastic backyard pool sitting on top to catch the water!! By the next morning, there were only a couple of towels left, so I assume they got it fixed ASAP (or at least weren't expecting any more rain right away. :) )

- Our little jaunt to SSR (our Home resort) was an unqualified success. Very impressed with just about everything I saw. Admittedly, upon entering the food court I kinda had a "this is it??" moment, and the boat dock is in a really ridiculous location. Other than that, no complaints I can think of.

- We took the Keys to the Kingdom tour and had a blast. As much as I read the DIS, I was afraid that the tour might be a waste. But I can honestly say that 90% of the info from the tour was new to me. Oh, and I had heard people say that the vaunted Utilidors are a disappointment. Well, I wouldn't say that I was disappointed--IMO, it was exactly what one would expect of utility corridors. ;)

Cutest moment of the tour came when we took our first trip "backstage." We went to the parade staging area off of Frontierland. Apparently this is not an area frequented by characters, but shortly after we arrived, several CMs were seen preparing for some impromptu western show that was performed on the street nearby. Well, let's just say that we saw a few characters that were not quite ready to meet and greet the public. ;) While the CMs themselves didn't think anything of it (after all, they were backstage), our tour guide was quite taken aback. She was so into the Disney Magic that she just didn't think it right for guests to see the CMs in such a manner. She kept trying to steer our view away from the CMs ("hey, let me show you the waste processing facility again").

- Another night we did the late EMH at MGM. While I'm a big fan of the nighttime EMH (given that we are not early risers on vacation), the MGM EMH was a zoo. As one would expect, the crowds from Fantasmic dumped right onto Sunset and the queues for TOT and RNR were immediately jammed. FastPass was open, and we quickly grabbed them for both rides. FP return times were very short (like 20 min from the time we got the pass), but they were also going quickly. I got to the TOT FastPass machines and the lines were literally 6-8 deep at each machine. When I first arrived, I believe the return time was posted as 10:20 (This is around 9:50). By the time I got up to the machine, my return time was 10:45!!! That's how quickly the passes were going! By the time we exited RNR, the FP machines were closed for the night--no doubt having expended their supply of passes through to midnight.

I guess the moral is that if you don't go to Fantasmic, you will probably have the run of the park between 9 - 9:30pm. After that, I don't see how there could be a night when TOT and RNR wouldn't get swamped.

- Best food I had on this trip--you're gonna laugh--was the Onion Rings at Flame Tree BBQ. Come to think of it, the BBQ Pork Sandwich wasn't bad either, but the corn was mushy.

- Lastly, I'll touch on the issue of transportation. This was our first stay at an Epcot resort. Many people tout the convenience of the two DVC properties in this area. It really took me a few days to come to grips with my idea of convenience. I'll spare you all of the details and just post the relevant part--I've decided that the only transportation option that I am willing to call "convenient" at WDW any longer is the ability to have a car parked right outside my room at SSR or OKW.

Granted, it was very nice to be able to leave our room at 8:45 and get to Epcot in time for Illuminations. But other than that, I think we're just debating variations on a theme. Walk to a theme park vs. walk to a bus stop. Sitting on a bus vs. sitting on a boat. While the transportation options at BWV are DIFFERENT than any I had used before on Disney property, I didn't necessarily feel they were better to any substantial degree. And, I honestly missed the close access that we've had to Downtown Disney in the past.

The one recurring theme in any Disney trip is walking. You simply can't avoid it. And we certainly didn't mind walking to MGM and Epcot--but at the same time we also didn't look at it as a big selling point for the resort or a reason to stay there again.

So, in trying to determine what really represents convenience to me, I keep going back to the car. The one thing I can confidently say about BWV is that I did not like the parking arrangements. Valet means tipping and waiting for someone to fetch the car. Self parking means a pretty long trip from the lot to the room. But, at OKW and SSR, the lots are right outside the buildings. At those two resorts, you get valet parking distance (from the room) without the additional cost or time expenditure.

More than anything, the OKW / SSR parking arrangement suits our tastes and needs. If we want to run to Earl of Sandwich for a takeout dinner or Publix for some more Pears, we don't have to walk all the way to the self-park lot and back, or go through the valet hassle for a 15 minute trip.

So, now we begin looking forward to our next trip...

A final thanks to everyone who provided advice that helped us on this trip. I'm not sure that it could have been much better. :)
 
Thanks for the report...it is interesting how people will have different takes on things like transportation... I am glad there are people who do not prefer the BWV and BCV location..that leaves more for those of us who do...I think for those who have yet to try the different resorts though I think your report could be confusing and misleading--..it is true that at OKW and I guess SSR (don't know, have not been there yet) you get INTO your car faster...but then if you are going to Epcot you are walking from the Epcot parking lot into the park, same for MGM...that is added walking you are leaving out...and time inconvenience as well...you said that walking into a park or walking to a bus stop are the same...I could not disagree more...when we walk into Epcot from the BWV we are in the park at the end of our walk...when you end your walk to the bus stop you may still be 20 minutes sometimes even more from even GETTING ON the bus--then another 5 to 15 minutes before you get to the park and another 5 minutes to walk from the bus stop to the park...that could be 30- 45 minutes even longer from when you set out to be in the park...all very unpredicatable--completely depends on the pace of Disney transportation...same thing for lines into the parking lots and finding a spot and waiting for a tram....meanwhile we BWV people set out on foot and can determine for ourselves at what pace we get where we set out to be. For us that is the best....to each his own but any comparisons should take all those factors into account.

Paul :wave2:
 
Thanks for the trip report!! I know I want to try Flame Tree the next time we go. I agree with Paul on the closeness issue of being at BWV/BCV. For us it can't be beat. One of the reasons I love being able to walk to 2 parks in just a few minutes is because everytime I get on a bus, I have to unload the stroller, fold it up, get all 3 kids on the bus, all the bags and the stroller on the bus. Then do the same thing to get off the bus. At the end of a long day at the parks, it is the same routine all over again, and for me the same would apply to a car. So for us, walking and getting right to the park without all of that loading and unloading is a dream. We never use the boat either, because we always easily beat the boat to Epcot and MGM, so walking is the fastest for us. Anyway, glad you had a nice trip and thanks again for the report.
 
Originally posted by PKS44
Thanks for the report...it is interesting how people will have different takes on things like transportation... I am glad there are people who do not prefer the BWV and BCV location..that leaves more for those of us who do...

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....to each his own but any comparisons should take all those factors into account.


You are correct in your final statement. And the best response I can give is that I really didn't intend to go into that level of detail. This wasn't supposed to be a "comparison", it was just a jumble of my feelings on the matter.

Perhaps a better way to summarize is simply to say "the best Disney transportation is NO Disney transportation." I never meant to imply that one could take a bus or even drive from SSR or OKW to Epcot in the 15 minutes it takes to walk. But, if we really want to diverge into comparison mode, BOTH areas have their give and take. For instance, I guarantee from OKW or SSR you can drive, walk or boat to DD faster than you can either drive or bus from BWV.

Certainly few people would rank Epcot and Downtown Disney equally on their list. But, as luck would have it, we made exactly two trips to Epcot and two trips to DD during this stay. While we didn't spend as much time at DD as Epcot, when you're talking transportation, a trip is a trip regardless of the duration of stay.

So, once one has made the decision that driving is the way to go, SSR and OKW are clearly more conducive to driving than BWV.

I realize that I may well be in the minority, and that's just fine with me. By no means am I trying to convince people that they are wrong about BWV and BCV and I am right. These are purely my feelings.
 

Originally posted by PKS44
Thanks for the report...it is interesting how people will have different takes on things like transportation... I am glad there are people who do not prefer the BWV and BCV location..that leaves more for those of us who do...I think for those who have yet to try the different resorts though I think your report could be confusing and misleading--..it is true that at OKW and I guess SSR (don't know, have not been there yet) you get INTO your car faster...but then if you are going to Epcot you are walking from the Epcot parking lot into the park, same for MGM...that is added walking you are leaving out...and time inconvenience as well...you said that walking into a park or walking to a bus stop are the same...I could not disagree more...when we walk into Epcot from the BWV we are in the park at the end of our walk...when you end your walk to the bus stop you may still be 20 minutes sometimes even more from even GETTING ON the bus--then another 5 to 15 minutes before you get to the park and another 5 minutes to walk from the bus stop to the park...that could be 30- 45 minutes even longer from when you set out to be in the park...all very unpredicatable--completely depends on the pace of Disney transportation...same thing for lines into the parking lots and finding a spot and waiting for a tram....meanwhile we BWV people set out on foot and can determine for ourselves at what pace we get where we set out to be. For us that is the best....to each his own but any comparisons should take all those factors into account.

Paul :wave2:
ITA!!!!!!::yes::
Come on, if you want to compare DVC resorts, let's at least be honest and realistic!!!!
In all my many years of frequenting this board, I have never seen a single BWV/BCV/VWL/VB/HHI fan, ever dispute the fact that OKW has the largest 1 BR. Nor have I ever seen anyone dispute the fact that OKW has the most quiet/ & laid back/not in the middle of everything/most wildlife around, etc.; DVC resort.
Yet the fact that BWV/BCV/VWL offer a much more superior location with much more convenience to WDW attractions, dining options etc, --- is constantly downplayed and debated about on this board. :confused:
To even attempt to say, that walking on an outside & un air conditioned hallway, they going up and down flights of stairs to then get to a hot car, which then requires driving to a park, parking the car and then either getting a tram or walking further to even enter the park-----is in any way easier or more convenient, than the park/dining. etc., access BWV/BCV/VWL provides their guests---is totally laughable/ridiculous/untrue, etc!!!!
Been there, done that-- it just ain't so!!! And we have a lot more trips/experiences at DVC resorts to base our assessment on--- than 1 trip as a DVC member and 2 trips renting pts from a DVC member.
 
Originally posted by BWVDee

Been there, done that-- it just ain't so!!! And we have a lot more trips/experiences at DVC resorts to base our assessment on--- than 1 trip as a DVC member and 2 trips renting pts from a DVC member.

Exactly how many trips do I need to make before I am qualified to share my opinions??? I'm sure that the new SSR owners on these boards who haven't even taken a single trip Home will also be curious to hear what the minimum requirement for posting might be.

I'm terribly sorry that you were so traumatized by a trip down those loooooong OKW corridors, or perhaps you were scorched by some 112 degree car seats.

Look, I didn't whip out my stopwatch and as I've already acknowledged, it DOES take longer to get to SOME WDW locations by car from SSR/OKW than by foot from BWV. But you know what? I'll drive it, and I'll LOVE it!!! :p

At heart I guess I'm really just one of those nonsensical OKW owners who HATE the new pool slide, detest BWV for those "long corridors" and can't comprehend how you tolerate those tiny guest rooms.

Guess I'll think twice before sharing my impressions in the future. Sorry that I spoke ill of your precious BWV. :rolleyes:

EDIT:

I really didn't want to go down this road, but my curiosity got the best of me. Just for the heck of it, I pulled out my 2004 Unofficial Guide and looked up their listed travel times by car vs. Disney. The comparison was interesting:

Magic Kingdom
BWV (Bus) 11+ min
SSR (Bus) 15+ min

Epcot
BWV (Walk) 5+ min
SSR (Drive) 13+ min

MGM
BWV (Walk/Boat) 16+ min
SSR (Drive) 15+ min

Animal Kingdom
BWV (Bus) 12+ min
SSR (Drive) 19+ min

Typhoon Lagoon
BWV (Bus) 24+ min
SSR (Drive) 7+min

Downtown Disney
BWV (Bus) 15+ min
SSR (Drive) 4+ min

Blizzard Beach
BWV (Bus) 21+ min
SSR (Drive) 14+ min

According to the UG, "driving times include time in your car, stops to pay tolls, time to park, and transfers to Disney trams and monorails where applicable." Also the UG lists ranges for each travel time--for simplicity sake, I listed only the low end of the range for each item. SSR times noted are from the "Disney Institute" figures in the UG.

For MK, I intentionally listed the Bus travel times for both resorts since everyone knows that MK is the one resort to which it almost always makes sense to take a bus. Incidentally, the bus stop for SSR is a LOT closer to the resort buildings than at BWV. ;)

Looks like there are some pros and cons for both resorts if you ask me. For those of us who like to spend time shopping at DD or at DisneyQuest, the close proximity to DD is fairly important. Remember, Dee, different strokes... ;)
 
"Guess I'll think twice before sharing my impressions in the future. Sorry that I spoke ill of your precious BWV"

Please don't think twice, i like reading honest reports with good and bad, that's why i lurk here. There will always be something people can disagree with and want to debate. Lots of info, thank you for taking the time.
 
Please don't think twice about posting your impressions no matter how many times you have been to a DVC resort. It is very refreshing to see first, second or third impressions even though not everyone has the same idea of what is important in a DVC stay. All the DVC options are terrific in their own way and it all depends on the member's wants, needs and preferences. But no matter what appeals to you, you should not be "flamed" for expressing yourself and you should be able to give your honest impressions.
 
I realize that I may well be in the minority, and that's just fine with me. By no means am I trying to convince people that they are wrong about BWV and BCV and I am right.

If you are in the minority, then I am there with you. The only thing I will point out is that BCV also has easy access to the parking lot for self parking or you can valet. We also prefer to drive to a lot of our destinations while at WDW, and that is why OKW, BCV and SSR are ideal for us.

I have never understood the need for some people to defend their resorts so strongly on these Boards. Each resort has its pros and cons, it is just a matter of which ones you put the highest on your priority list. The highest priority for me is that the DVC resort be located at Disney World. That says it all to me.

tjkraz, don't let someone run you off with your thoughts. I know there are many that appreciated what you had to say about your stay as a first time DVC owner.
 
I find it baffling how talking about the "Happiest Place on Earth" can generate such mean-spirited debate. Is it so important to be right about the facts of traveling distances and times, size of accomodations, length of hallways, etc? All debates in this forum really come down to personal preference after all. We're taking a Disney vacation, which by most people's estimation is going to be hot, crowded, about 15 min of ride time versuses many more hours of wait time, over priced for the priveledge of participating in all those things. We could be making other vacation choices, but we keep coming back to WDW.

Disney World is among the top choices for an illogical, irrational, purely escapist emotional experience. So why get hung up on logical, rational, factual points as if they really matter? Why take things so personally? We vacation at WDW because it's supposed to be different from all of that. One can leave Mr., Ms., or Mrs. Type A at home. To loosely quote Bill Clinton: "It's the magic, stupid!" Not that I'm calling anyone stupid; I'm just trying to simplify my point.

I like to think these boards are an extension of that magic. For the brief time I spend here, it's almost like being there, especially when I read a report about how everything went right for someone's vacation. These debates are informative and can help in planning to make a Disney vacation even more magical. Noone wants hassle at Disney World, especially me; and these posts can help minimize hassle. Posts like these are certainly more interesting than my personal pet peeve post, "What are my chances of getting a ressie in X month?" (Call and find out, it doesn't take that long)

Reading angry posts is like being in line at Chef Mickey's behind someone who has just esploded because his family is still in line 5 minutes after their PS. You can get your point across without being mean. Can't we all just keep it magical?
 
Isn't it a wonderful world where we are all so different and have such varying tastes? Good thing Disney has all the different themed DVC resorts for us. Is one better than another? Of course not. If you like OKW better than BWV okay with me? Of course. OKW is a little too remote for us. When my dh first toyed with the idea of buying into DVC and then decided to do it, it was with the stipulation that it only be at BWV!! Now, could I have been happy at any of the resorts? I'm sure I could. But, being a type A person, he wanted to be close to the parks, Epcot and MGM being his favorites. He wanted to be able to relax at a nice pool area and have many entertainment options at his fingertips. Demanding kind of a guy isn't he?! We used to vacation on Cape Cod every year and he hated it!!

Do we rent a car? Not at this point. When we stay at VB in '05 then yes, we will. But, we aren't concerned with an extra 5-10 minutes on a bus. This is vacation for us and dh just doesn't want to drive. But....that's HIS choice. You can make a whole different choice. My goodness people, this is America....you can have a different opinion and tastes and we won't shoot you.

Me, I'm just happy that everyone doesn't find BWV to their tastes. More rooms open for me. Hopefully, we will get to try all the resorts out over the next few years. Now, my big fear???? That I will fall in love with a different one and want to add more points. I can see it as a neverending cycle of point buying!!!

So, is parking easy and at your door at BWV? No. Is it an easy walk to Epcot? Yes. Are the corridors long? I guess in some cases. Who cares. Please, can we just agree to disagree without taking someone else's different opinion as a personal affront to our own taste? After all, there are a lot of new people coming here and they are looking for some good info. I know I found it here over the past year. And still do. Thanks to all of you who have helped me over this past year. You are true DVC experts. Keep up the good work. On with the discussion.........
 
I use my car to go everywhere at OKW. The car is never hot in Jan or February, a little warm maybe. I don't recall having to take a tram except when I go to AK. The rest of the parks are just a matter of valet parking at BWV or the Poly. I just gave away one of my secrets about the Poly. I do take the bus sometimes to MK I must confess. DD I always drive or take the boat. I do just about anything to avoid the buses. There really is no comparsion the convience one has with a car. That is what OKW is all about driving your car. Now it has become much more difficult to park your car like you can not get into the Contemp without a reservation, the Poly gives you a ticket for a short stay but that is all we need, we only stay a couple of hours at the parks anyway. You no longer can valet park for free at non-DVC resorts. Over all the buses that they have at WDW do not belong there, they should have some more "Magical "and better means of transportation. But when you have guests only paying what they are paying at the value resorts it is difficult to give them anything more than bus transportation.
 
Our little jaunt to SSR (our Home resort) was an unqualified success. Very impressed with just about everything I saw. Admittedly, upon entering the food court I kinda had a "this is it??" moment

Thanks for your report. Regarding the food court, I had asked this question just recently and people seemed amazed at me for asking it. From the pics I have seen the food court looked too small. Was this your impression or do you think the space will be sufficient for that large of a resort?
Thanks!
 
Thanks very much for your trip report, tjkraz.

I'm in "the minority" - right there with ya'!

And I have to second what RweTHEREyet mentioned... BCV is a nice option for those of us who prefer to self-park - especially if your room is down near that end stairwell!

But who am I to say... I only have a little over 80 reservations under my belt. I guess I'm still "forming my opinions."

Enjoy your membership - the way YOU want to!!!

:)
 
Thanks for the insight tjkraz. Staying at BWV for the first time in July. Glad you had a great trip!

As to the transportation issue - well, as always its just a case of different opinions for different people. We all have to decide what is right for us. We love trying the different DVC resorts, and intend to try them all as time permits. Each has strong and weak points, and it would be nice if people could share strategies and opinons without a need to be so defensive or hurtful. Its really quite unnecessary... Anyway...

For us, a rental car is required. I won't be tied to Disney Transportation for trips to AK (HATE those busses there), DD, Typhoon Lagoon, other resorts for Dinner, etc. and for off site travel. I'm very comfortable driving on property, and enjoy it. So it works for us. As to Valet - its usually once a day if that, and I pay more for one bottle of water than the $2 bucks I tip! I never have to wait for the car, I just call from the room before leaving it. Walk downstairs, and jump in the car with A/C blasting. :) If its pouring out, that much better! I'm not soaked! I'll tip extra for THAT priviledge! ;)

The boats are NEVER as crowded as those darn busses. On the busses it seems I'm always stuck standing, balancing a stroller and a kid. On the boats, I normally don't even need to close the stroller - just push it to the back and I've always had a seat. And there is just something we enjoy about the boats over busses. Again, personal opinion.

Walking to Epcot (from BCV and YC in all our other trips) has been wonderful. BWV will be a bit farther, but not much. NOT having to deal with packing/unpacking the kids from ANY transportation is a treat. We may walk to/from MGM at BW, but I love having the option. Especially after Fantasmic. Those lines can be long, and a night time stroll back is very enjoyable for us.

As I read the OP I found myself feeling that SSR was the perfect choice for you and your family. And since you own there, it seems to have worked out perfectly!
 
Thanks for the report! What size room were you in? What floor were you on? Did you enjoy the quiet pool view?

Thanks for sharing!
 
tjkraz,
I enjoyed reading your report. I want to try every DVC resort and I enjoy reading everyone's perpective. I'll be checking out SSR in a few days and then BWV in October and Dec.
I'm afraid I am going to have too many favorites!
-DC :earsboy:
 
Thanx for the report, tjkraz. Of course everyone has different tastes, and dislikes about the various resorts.
Please continue to critique things as you see them... :D


That being said, everyone knows it's okay to criticize OKW, BWV, BCV, and SSR... but VWL is strictly off limits! The following literary work may have crossed the line! ;) :teeth:
VWL on the other hand--yuch--that's really not my thing.


Just kidding, of course! :cool:

MG
 
Maistre Gracey,
LOL... You'd better be careful or you might have everyone wanting to stay at VWL. I do have a confession to make. We tried VWL for the first time in April and I wasn't sure if I would like the decor--I was worried it would be too dark. But, guess what, we LOVED it! (Another favorite place for us to stay :))

-DC :earsboy:
 
dcfromva, funny you mention worrying VWL would be too dark for you. My Mom wasn't thrilled with either AKL (my fav) or VWL (my second fav) because they were too dark for her. She has had numerous cornea transplants and doesn't see too well. The dim lights made it harder for her to see. When I showed her BCV where we bought she loved it. Said she much preferred the lighter feel. My Dad on the other hand asked why I didn't buy at VWL instead. Everyone has different tastes!
Although, I've never been big on camping or the outdoors, for some reason WL really hits me. I don't know why. I get a better feel from it than at my home resort BCV. Still, now I don't regret buying there. I'm pleased with the way resales are few and far between and I think SAB will be a useful trading tool if I ever need it.
 



















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