4th Fastpass easier today 6/7 than yesterday?

[DisneyMom93]

Lets take the entire concept of changing party out of the equation for a minute (for the sake of argument)

Say we have a family of four. All 4 of them have ticketed accounts, but only 1 plans to go the park today.

That 1 person makes 12 separate fastpass reservations across the four accounts. Again, 3 of those accounts/tickets will not be used today.

That person enters the park and uses their 3. That person then goes into MDE and CANCELS a fastpass on one of the other 3 accounts, then immediately picks that same timeslot up on HIS OWN account. The change party feature is never used. The pass is legitimately re-booked by the person using it, who also used a valid admission that day.

Essentially, all this person has done is used his/her family's ticketed accounts to lock up a reservation until such time as he/she was ready to pick up said reservation.

As far as I can tell this in no way violates any terms of service. There's nothing saying you can't make reservations for the ticketed accounts of your friends and family and then cancel them (or otherwise fail to use them). And Person 1 is picking up the pass as-intended, exactly the way he's supposed to using the system as intended.

The ONLY difference here is the slight chance that in the seconds between the pass being canceled and re-booked, an unrelated 3rd party might in that mere moment pick it up.

Do people still have their shorts in a wad about this hypothetical? Is that brief moment enough to appease the angry masses?

Does disboards not have a thread which facilitates this very same concept? (Dropping your passes at a specific time, allowing a fellow board member to attempt to book them)

Just food for thought really.

I see people grabbing their torches and pitchforks over the concept that Dad and Sue might want to use Mom and Sick Billy's passes with change party... is anyone any less mad if Dad just cancel's mom and sick billy's passes 1 by 1 and immediately picks them up again on he and Sue's account? Because as far as I'm aware dad has every right to do that.

Just another loophole/cheat.

 

[Camiandcarson10]

So people can no longer book fp s at kiosks with old bands?

 

[Shanti]

As far as the guests being locked out, good luck. Obviously the tour guide offenders aren't going to GS, but the families that aren't aware and are using technology as Disney allows are not going to be happy. How many TOS have you read? Every app on your phone comes with one, did you read it (not "you" but generic you LOL)? GS, in my opinion will be unlocking accounts and handing our magic FPs so it becomes a moot point.

That's a big assumption that they'll unlock all accounts and let those families keep the ill-gotten FPs. The new rules state that GS will look at the account & only unlock it if they decide the use was not malicious. Assuming it's a family & not a tour guide that did this, I agree that they'll probably unlock the account with a warning (which might get tagged to their account, so the account will not be unlocked after a recurrence), but it seems unlikely they'll give them the FPs, too. More likely to just unlock the account so they can keep spending, but say, "Sorry, FP doesn't work that way. You won't be able to use those." The GS equivalent of a FP reader turning blue.

 

[Shanti]

So people can no longer book fp s at kiosks with old bands?

Not with old bands that aren't carrying the ticket used to get in that day, no. That's what this is all about- Disney changed their procedures to close that loophole.

 

[DisneyMom93]

So people can no longer book fp s at kiosks with old bands?

Not if they aren't linked to the ticket used for entrance to the park that day.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I think they are aware. They took the extra steps to set up something that they can't do just normally reserving the 3 FPs they're entitled to.

Changing FP between friends is allowed in the MDE and a series of examples here have pointed out why guests might use it without knowing they are in violation of the TOS.

I hope Disney IT would pop up a similar message as the kiosk message stating the FP can't be moved since it is not associated with a ticket used for admission that day. If the code allows it to happen, all the pressure goes to GS to explain and sooth an unhappy guest.

 

[mom2rtk]

Not with old bands that aren't carrying the ticket used to get in that day, no. That's what this is all about- Disney changed their procedures to close that loophole.

And maybe other similar loopholes? Nobody seems sure on the rest of it.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

Here is what Disney's Terms and Conditions say regarding fastpass+

The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make Fastpass+ selections must be the same valid them park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the Fastpass+ selections are redeemed.

What about those who have more than 1 ticket on each profile? There is no way to differentiate which ticket is used for which day of fp selections.

We have two 5 day salute tickets per person (a bit cheaper than a 10 day ticket). I have 10 days of fp selections. I would be furious if my account for locked because it linked a fp to one ticket but the entrance gate used the other one!

I know everyone says FP are linked to profiles, not tickets. But the TOS, and the article, makes it sound they are associated with specific tickets!

 

[DonaldDuck77]

Changing FP between friends is allowed in the MDE and a series of examples here have pointed out why guests might use it without knowing they are in violation of the TOS.

I hope Disney IT would pop up a similar message as the kiosk message stating the FP can't be moved since it is not associated with a ticket used for admission that day. If the code allows it to happen, all the pressure goes to GS to explain and sooth an unhappy guest.

Yes. Any loophole blocking needs to be on the front end (it just doesn't work) rather than all this MDE locking.

 

[jeffg4]

So now the sole purpose of a kiosk will be for those who don't have smartphones?

 

[5DisneyNuts]

That's a big assumption that they'll unlock all accounts and let those families keep the ill-gotten FPs. The new rules state that GS will look at the account & only unlock it if they decide the use was not malicious. Assuming it's a family & not a tour guide that did this, I agree that they'll probably unlock the account with a warning (which might get tagged to their account, so the account will not be unlocked after a recurrence), but it seems unlikely they'll give them the FPs, too. More likely to just unlock the account so they can keep spending, but say, "Sorry, FP doesn't work that way. You won't be able to use those." The GS equivalent of a FP reader turning blue.

But that's just it; there aren't new rules. The TOS is from September 2016. Disney is just now deciding to enforce them.

You're right, about my saying that GS may give out a magic FP to upset guests is only a guess, but that is what I have seen them do multiple times.

Say the guest's account gets locked for doing the same exact thing they did 3 months ago? Don't you think that guest is going to be confused and annoyed? They went in and changed a FP from a friend or family member that decided to go to Disney Springs that day to someone in the park. They don't read the Dis and have no idea what happened. And now Disney is going to attach a warning to their account?! I don't see it.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Yes. Any loophole blocking needs to be on the front end (it just doesn't work) rather than all this MDE locking.

I agree
And I think that will be what they do, however they decide to do it

The last thing they want to do is start dealing with irate customers and locked accounts

 

[ArwenMarie]

So now the sole purpose of a kiosk will be for those who don't have smartphones?

Or people who bought tickets that day at the gate, which a lot of people do

 

[mom2rtk]

For a company that won't even deal with line jumpers, I'm just skeptical about all these proposed heavy handed techniques.

 

[DisneyCowgirl]

This complicates things for many large families. Consider the fact that things happen, child 1 doesn't feel well, mom stays behind that day with child 1, and dad and child 2 go to the parks. It would be unfortunate that child 2 and dad can't change the FPs over (esp. Tier 1s that they legitimately booked with tickets) simply because half their party had to stay behind for valid reasons. This is also likely why the function still exists. Sometimes, valid reasons triumph 'other' reasons and the process is in place to provide the benefit of the doubt those with valid ones more so than trying to police the minority, IMO.

Do we know that this has been disallowed and that your MDE account will get locked if you do it?

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

In terms of change party; it seems to me, according to tos, it is never valid to use change party prior to admission. Doing so would result in different tickets being used for selection and entry.

Once the person with the fp enters the park, using the ticket under which fp was booked, then they can transfer as they wish.

If this is what they intended, it should be a simple matter of blocking change party until after entrance for the day. This would also end all (or almost all) the loopholes.

 

[DisneyMom93]

For a company that won't even deal with line jumpers, I'm just skeptical about all these proposed heavy handed techniques.

I think enforcing the system by tech is a lot easier than by Security.

The first attempt guest should get a warning that what they are trying to do is not valid (explain FP was not linked to a ticket used to enter the park) and will cause the account to be locked, etc. Second time they get locked out and have to go to a CS to deal with it.

Since they got a first warning they should have been aware of the consequences and CM can explain that. I don't see CMs handing out FPs left and right to people gaming the system. The people who did it knew they were taking the additional steps past booking their 3 FPs to do it.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

I have a question that is somewhat germane to the OP.

Has anyone here who has actually been in the parks the last two days noticed either the kiosks or the app being slower than before? I'm just wondering if whatever validation is now in place is slowing things down.

We haven't been to Disney since 2015, and back in those days the only way to get a 4th FP was via kiosk. The MDE app was also still super unreliable, so I'm wondering if that has improved at all, too.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think enforcing the system by tech is a lot easier than by Security.

The first attempt guest should get a warning that what they are trying to do is not valid (explain FP was not linked to a ticket used to enter the park) and will cause the account to be locked, etc. Second time they get locked out and have to go to a CS to deal with it.

Since they got a first warning they should have been aware of the consequences and CM can explain that. I don't see CMs handing out FPs left and right to people gaming the system. The people who did it knew they were taking the additional steps past booking their 3 FPs to do it.

I absolutely agree. I am still just not convinced they figured out how to do it with tech yet. Locking accounts is not entirely a tech solution since that will require that the person visit Guest Services. Handling it by tech would turn the Mickey head blue and not allow the FP to be used at all if the ticket hadn't been used to enter the park (similar to how the old legacy machines would spit out an error ticket instead of issuing a FP). Why not just do that instead of all this account locking stuff?

They seem to have fixed the SDFP issue entirely with tech (blocked at the kiosk). I find it odd they didn't choose to do the same with the rest of it.

 

[DisneyMom93]

Do we know that this has been disallowed and that your MDE account will get locked if you do it?

That's what is supposed to be what is happening since the system change. I don't know if anyone has actually come back to say what happened when they tried to do it since the full change. Or where they would post it. Discussions about it have been stopped.