4th Fastpass easier today 6/7 than yesterday?

[AngiTN]

I think you're missing the "and used to make the FastPass+ selections" part. This would be friend #4 in your scenario. This means that the account/admission used to make the FP selection (friend #4 AP) must be used to enter the park before the FP can be used - regardless of who uses it.

Ok, my account makes all the FP selections for everyone. So as long as I go, it's good, right?

 

[Marionnette]

Based on the terms and conditions, you will not be able to do what you describe.

From the TOS: "The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

So, if you are going to transfer your FP to someone, you and the someone must have used the park admission to get in the park.

Well, given that a friend's ticket is associated with their account and not mine, it would be a violation of TOS for that friend to transfer their unused FP+ to my profile for my use even if my friend entered the park that same day or if they were to make that transfer prior to going thru the gate. So, why does Disney have the CPFP function at all? It's not some backdoor function. It's there for people to use but the TOS seems to be pretty clear that it shouldn't be.

Ok, my account makes all the FP selections for everyone. So as long as I go, it's good, right?

Maybe. Do those other people have their own MDE? If so, then their tickets are associated with their MDE account, not yours.

 

[AngiTN]

Granted, we can only speculate but I'm going to say that at no time do they mean in that statement that you can't transfer FP between users prior to arrival. They mean that you can only use FP associated with a ticket/AP that entered the park that day. If you plan to transfer between users do it prior to arrival that morning. What happens prior to the day FP are redeemed matters not one whit to Disney. They are only concerned about what happens once you walk in their gates. Just my opinion. I do not take the statement as written to address it they way some of you are at all. But that's me. Not say I'm right and you are wrong, cause I don't know any more than you do. But I'm using common sense here. Which may well be a mistake, what do I know.

But, in our case, we only have 1 MDE users between all of us. So I guess we are fine anyway.

 

[Gillbob316]

Lets take the entire concept of changing party out of the equation for a minute (for the sake of argument)

Say we have a family of four. All 4 of them have ticketed accounts, but only 1 plans to go the park today.

That 1 person makes 12 separate fastpass reservations across the four accounts. Again, 3 of those accounts/tickets will not be used today.

That person enters the park and uses their 3. That person then goes into MDE and CANCELS a fastpass on one of the other 3 accounts, then immediately picks that same timeslot up on HIS OWN account. The change party feature is never used. The pass is legitimately re-booked by the person using it, who also used a valid admission that day.

Essentially, all this person has done is used his/her family's ticketed accounts to lock up a reservation until such time as he/she was ready to pick up said reservation.

As far as I can tell this in no way violates any terms of service. There's nothing saying you can't make reservations for the ticketed accounts of your friends and family and then cancel them (or otherwise fail to use them). And Person 1 is picking up the pass as-intended, exactly the way he's supposed to using the system as intended.

The ONLY difference here is the slight chance that in the seconds between the pass being canceled and re-booked, an unrelated 3rd party might in that mere moment pick it up.

Do people still have their shorts in a wad about this hypothetical? Is that brief moment enough to appease the angry masses?

Does disboards not have a thread which facilitates this very same concept? (Dropping your passes at a specific time, allowing a fellow board member to attempt to book them)

Just food for thought really.

I see people grabbing their torches and pitchforks over the concept that Dad and Sue might want to use Mom and Sick Billy's passes with change party... is anyone any less mad if Dad just cancel's mom and sick billy's passes 1 by 1 and immediately picks them up again on he and Sue's account? Because as far as I'm aware dad has every right to do that.

 

[AnnaKat]

Or buy two 1-park tickets for a day of park hopping between two parks, and use one ticket for each park, instead of buying a park-hopper. Might be a reasonable upcharge if you were only going to buy a 1-day park hopper ticket in the first place.

The TOS for using a 1-day ticket is that you may exit & re-enter the same park on that same day,
but you may NOT enter another park
that same day with ANOTHER 1-day ticket(or multi-ticket).

 

[Shanti]

The TOS for using a 1-day ticket is that you may exit & re-enter the same park on that same day,
but you may NOT enter another park
that same day with ANOTHER 1-day ticket(or multi-ticket).

You can absolutely do that if you buy those tickets separately under different names or different MDE accounts. They'll never know. Or care, I might add, since they're profiting off it.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

Lets take the entire concept of changing party out of the equation for a minute (for the sake of argument)

Say we have a family of four. All 4 of them have ticketed accounts, but only 1 plans to go the park today.

That 1 person makes 12 separate fastpass reservations across the four accounts. Again, 3 of those accounts/tickets will not be used today.

That person enters the park and uses their 3. That person then goes into MDE and CANCELS a fastpass on one of the other 3 accounts, then immediately picks that same timeslot up on HIS OWN account. The change party feature is never used. The pass is booked by the person using it, who also used a valid admission that day.

Essentially, all this person has done is used his/her family's ticketed accounts to lock up a reservation until such time as he/she was ready to pick up said reservation.

As far as I can tell this in no way violates any terms of service. There's nothing saying you can't make reservations for the ticketed accounts of your friends and family and then cancel them (or otherwise fail to use them). And Person 1 is picking up the pass as-intended, exactly the way he's supposed to using the system as intended.

The ONLY difference here is the slight chance that in the seconds between the pass being canceled and re-booked, an unrelated 3rd party might in that mere moment pick it up.

Do people still have their shorts in a wad about this hypothetical? Is that brief moment enough to appease the angry masses?

Does disboards not have a thread which facilitates this very same concept? (Dropping your passes at a specific time, allowing a fellow board member to attempt to book them)

Just food for thought really.

I see people grabbing their torches and pitchforks over the concept that Dad and Sue might want to use Mom and Sick Billy's passes with change party... is anyone any less mad if Dad just cancel's mom and sick billy's passes 1 by 1 and immediately picks them up again on he and Sue's account? Because as far as I'm aware dad has every right to do that.

^I agree with all of this^

What you described is also being done on a regular basis with ADRs as well.
There is a cancelled ADR thread for every month of the year on here and never a whisper of any wrongdoing that I can tell. I'm guessing those opposed to any Change Party function want any particular FP thrown back into the pool, even if it's for half a second. Somehow that makes it fair I guess?

 

[ArwenMarie]

Actually throwing it back into the FP bucket does seem to make it more fair IMO
And the chance of actually picking it back up isn't 100%
Ditto for ADRs

That's why some of those ADR companies had to shut down and some are still offering a service where you get an alert to go grab it

 

[Gillbob316]

Actually throwing it back into the FP bucket does seem to make it more fair IMO
And the chance of actually picking it back up isn't 100%
Ditto for ADRs

That's why some of those ADR companies had to shut down and some are still offering a service where you get an alert to go grab it

I realize the chance of picking it up isn't 100%. And whether Person 1 in said scenario does or doesn't pick it up, it will still only be back in the pool for about 5 seconds, because either Person 1 succeeded, or someone else did. That's REALLY enough to make ALL the difference to everyone? REALLY? We're REALLY going to pretend that? We're okay with Person 1 sitting on those 12 fastpass+ reservations for 30 days, so long as they open them back up for 5 seconds at the last possible moment? That's the story we're going with now?

BUT hey... in all likelihood, Dad won't ever cancel mom and sue's fp+ reservations, and they'll just expire unused anyway. So I guess that's better?

 

[Marionnette]

Granted, we can only speculate but I'm going to say that at no time do they mean in that statement that you can't transfer FP between users prior to arrival. They mean that you can only use FP associated with a ticket/AP that entered the park that day. If you plan to transfer between users do it prior to arrival that morning. What happens prior to the day FP are redeemed matters not one whit to Disney. They are only concerned about what happens once you walk in their gates. Just my opinion. I do not take the statement as written to address it they way some of you are at all. But that's me. Not say I'm right and you are wrong, cause I don't know any more than you do. But I'm using common sense here. Which may well be a mistake, what do I know.

But, in our case, we only have 1 MDE users between all of us. So I guess we are fine anyway.

You can interpret it any way that you want. The actual text does not specifically say that. Which means that the only arbiter of what is actually meant would be those in charge of these things at the Walt Disney Company. It may be intentionally vague so that they have leeway in enforcing their TOS.

 

[DisneyMom93]

I have no issue with this scenario. But then they need to not let FPs be changed between parties unless both bands have been used to enter a park.

That is what the latest system update is for.

 

[AngiTN]

You can interpret it any way that you want. The actual text does not specifically say that. Which means that the only arbiter of what is actually meant would be those in charge of these things at the Walt Disney Company. It may be intentionally vague so that they have leeway in enforcing their TOS.

If we want to get really technical with the way it's written, in our case, we have 1 MDE account, mine. I book all FP for everyone. If I don't go, no one can use the FP, right?
Is that how it's intended?

 

[AngiTN]

I don't think the wrote it that way to have leeway. I think they don't realize how they are being interpreted.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I realize the chance of picking it up isn't 100%. And whether Person 1 in said scenario does or doesn't pick it up, it will still only be back in the pool for about 5 seconds, because either Person 1 succeeded, or someone else did. That's REALLY enough to make ALL the difference to everyone? REALLY? We're REALLY going to pretend that? We're okay with Person 1 sitting on those 12 fastpass+ reservations for 30 days, so long as they open them back up for 5 seconds at the last possible moment? That's the story we're going with now?

BUT hey... in all likelihood, Dad won't ever cancel mom and sue's fp+ reservations, and they'll just expire unused anyway. So I guess that's better?

LOL

I dunno. You stumped me

 

[DavidNYC]

You can interpret it any way that you want. The actual text does not specifically say that. Which means that the only arbiter of what is actually meant would be those in charge of these things at the Walt Disney Company. It may be intentionally vague so that they have leeway in enforcing their TOS.

Maybe us lawyers read TOSes differently than the general public but it may very well be the case that when a FP is legitimately transferred as permitted by the TOS, then other aspects of that FP are transferred with it (such as ownership, who made, etc.). Yes, you can read the TOS in a literal way but in many legal contexts, this could be a situation where the person who gets the transferred FP steps into the shoes of the person who made it. We'll find out but it will not surprise me if Disney makes it that way so as to not eliminate legitimate transfers. We'll see.

 

[DisneyMom93]

This complicates things for many large families. Consider the fact that things happen, child 1 doesn't feel well, mom stays behind that day with child 1, and dad and child 2 go to the parks. It would be unfortunate that child 2 and dad can't change the FPs over (esp. Tier 1s that they legitimately booked with tickets) simply because half their party had to stay behind for valid reasons. This is also likely why the function still exists. Sometimes, valid reasons triumph 'other' reasons and the process is in place to provide the benefit of the doubt those with valid ones more so than trying to police the minority, IMO.

But Dad and Child 2 aren't losing their 3 FPs each. They are just aren't getting extra, just like everyone else in the park that day.

If one parent stays behind with their child and does not enter the park at all that day, they lose the FPs because they didn't go in the park that day, thus they don't need them. They are now entitled to use that entrance ticket another day and get their FPs if they choose to. Of course most likely that won't happen because then they won't be together as a family for another day.

I do get what you're saying, but the problem is people were abusing the system. Something rare, and not that big a deal in general like the scenario you mentioned becomes a huge issue because others were abusing that.

 

[DizBelle]

If we want to get really technical with the way it's written, in our case, we have 1 MDE account, mine. I book all FP for everyone. If I don't go, no one can use the FP, right?
Is that how it's intended?

No. If you don't go, none of the others in your party can use your FP, even if they change the party from you to them. They can use the ones that were booked under their MB/MDE account.

 

[AngiTN]

No. If you don't go, none of the others in your party can use your FP, even if they change the party from you to them. They can use the ones that were booked under their MB/MDE account.

I didn't say they were using my FP. I meant THEIR FP.
They don't have a MDE account. Just me. They are only given FP via my MDE account.
Without me, they have no FP period.
So if me, the person who booked the FP for me, them, all of us, doesn't go, can they use their FP that I booked for them?

 

[Shanti]

If you don't go, none of the others in your party can use your FP, even if they change the party from you to them. They can use the ones that were booked under their MB/MDE account.

They don't have a MDE account. Just me. They are only given FP via my MDE account.
So if me, the person who booked the FP for me, them, all of us, doesn't go, can they use their FP that I booked for them?

Right. To further clarify, everyone has their own ticket/Magic Band, even though they're under the umbrella of one MDE account. That MDE account holder does not need to enter the park for everyone else to use their own tickets & FPs.

The right to use a FP is ticket-based, not MDE account-based.

 

[ArwenMarie]

We're going to need to form an Ethics Committee here on the DIS soon