2026 points chart?

[zavandor]

Why stop at different room types and not have a go at resorts? Maybe DVC should lower the point charts of SSR and OKW and increase BCV and BWV to VGF level! I would love to be able to book my home resort on the cheap and have BWV and BCV owners subsidise me.

Not really. But isn't what people who like to book 1BR have just written wanting people who book studios to subsidise them?
Everyone here bought into a system where 1BR cost double a studio.
Also, if ever DVC starts to build new resorts where the gap is smaller, they wouldn't make 1BR cheaper, they would just increase.the cost of studios so they can sell more points. Beware what you wish for, with Disney.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Why stop at different room types and not have a go at resorts? Maybe DVC should lower the point charts of SSR and OKW and increase BCV and BWV to VGF level! I would love to be able to book my home resort on the cheap and have BWV and BCV owners subsidise me.

Not really. But isn't what people who like to book 1BR have just written wanting people who booked studios to subsidise them?
Everyone here bought into a system where 1BR cost double a studio.
Also, if ever DVC starts to build new resorts where the gap is smaller, they wouldn't make 1BR cheaper, they would just increase.the cost of studios so they can sell more points. Beware what you wish for, with Disney.

You do realize this is absolute nonsense, right?

 

[zavandor]

You do realize this is absolute nonsense, right?

Yes, that's why I wrote "not really". Exactly like it's absolutely nonsense to ask people who bought DVC for studios to pay for people who book 1BR. But they seem serious.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Yes, that's why I wrote "not really". Exactly like it's absolutely nonsense to ask people who bought DVC for studios to pay for people who book 1BR. But they seem serious.

I am very serious, I wish they would make studios cost slightly more points and 1 bedrooms cost slightly less points. It’s currently manipulated heavily against 1 bedrooms in favor of studios.

I get that you don’t like it and are acting quite hostile about it. However, it is completely within the rules of each owners association to adjust the points charts within certain parameters.

 

[walt34]

I would love for them to increase studios and decrease 1brs. I feel like the 1br just doesn’t give great value for no step-up in the number of guests it sleeps in many cases.

Studios are half the points, but sleep the ~same number of people with the ~same number and types of sleeping surfaces with the ~same bathroom count (some exceptions), but for ~half the points.

But studios are usually not only half the points but also half the size of 1BRs.

 

[zavandor]

I am very serious, I wish they would make studios cost slightly more points and 1 bedrooms cost slightly less points. It’s currently manipulated heavily against 1 bedrooms in favor of studios.

I get that you don’t like it and are acting quite hostile about it. However, it is completely within the rules of each owners association to adjust the points charts within certain parameters.

I spent some time reading the POS and the Florida law and I believe it's not allowed. And I also think it's not fair to make such a big change after people bought in the system.
And also this:

But studios are usually not only half the points but also half the size of 1BRs.

Yes, people enjoy double the space but don't like to pay double the points?
What if for next resort they make 1BR only 1.5 times the space of a studio? They might cut the master bedroom and put a queen bed there, make the living room smaller, a smaller kitchen and remove the W/D. Would it offer better value at 1.5 points of the studios?

ETA: I am well aware there are other timeshare systems where studios are more than half 1BR. I own one of such systems. But I am not aware of any where the studios were sold costing half the points of 1BR and then they were increased.

 

[zavandor]

BTW, people buying CFW should be very well aware that the POS for their home resort explicitly mention rebalancing the point charts within different unit types. If two resorts end up in the same vacation plan, they might move points from one resort to the other.
They might publish a crazy high point chart for DLL, put it in the trust with CFW, then lower DLL and increase CFW. Your purchase is not guaranteed.
 IF that clause is legal. But I don't know about trust systems to comment on that.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I spent some time reading the POS and the Florida law and I believe it's not allowed. And I also think it's not fair to make such a big change after people bought in the system.
And also this:


Yes, people enjoy double the space but don't like to pay double the points?
What if for next resort they make 1BR only 1.5 times the space of a studio? They might cut the master bedroom and put a queen bed there, make the living room smaller, a smaller kitchen and remove the W/D. Would it offer better value at 1.5 points of the studios?

ETA: I am well aware there are other timeshare systems where studios are more than half 1BR. I own one of such systems. But I am not aware of any where the studios were sold costing half the points of 1BR and then they were increased.

You are entitled to your opinion, but a number of people do not agree with your opinion.

 

[zavandor]

You are entitled to your opinion, but a number of people do not agree with your opinion.

And many don't agree with you either.
DVC has rolled back the point charts after they were challenged on that. So maybe they agree with me.

 

[AstroBlasters]

And many don't agree with you either.
DVC has rolled back the point charts after they were challenged on that. So maybe they agree with me.

Cool.

 

[lilsonicfan]

I don’t fully comprehend the fight above… but I’ll trust what Zavandor says on point reallocations given that I understand their posts/legal action around the 2020 points chart debacle were instrumental in making DVC change their ways.

I think it’s probably the way of the world that we would all like DVC to fit our needs just a bit better.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I don’t fully comprehend the fight above… but I’ll trust what Zavandor says on point reallocations given that I understand their posts/legal action around the 2020 points chart debacle were instrumental in making DVC change their ways.

I think it’s probably the way of the world that we would all like DVC to fit our needs just a bit better.

My understanding is that DVC can reallocate points within a +\- 5% range each year. So, if that is correct then DVC could do it if they wanted to.

DVC may not want to and the majority of the membership may not want it to…. but this is a message board where we are allowed to share our personal opinions.

 

[walt34]

DVC may not want to and the majority of the membership may not want it to…. but this is a message board where we are allowed to share our personal opinions.

Yes , but I still believe that it would be unfair to ask people who want studios to subsidize the price per square foot of 1BRs.

 

[McCrae]

When they made weekends less and weekdays more, that happened.

They can’t change the number of points more than 20% year to year from any given use day so I think the 2020 to 2022 changes could have done that but it took a few charts to see it.

It’s worthwhile reminding people that if points go up for one date they must come down for another date. Overall points can’t be increased.

 

[DVCsloth]

One of the benefits IMO of the premium for a 1 BR is it allows me to find availability at 7 months if I want to stay at a non-home resort.

 

[tom1944]

It’s worthwhile reminding people that if points go up for one date they must come down for another date. Overall points can’t be increased.

If a resort had 100 studios and 50 1 bedrooms and they raised the studio points by 1 would that the one-bedroom points would be lowered by 2?

I agree with the several posters who like the access of 1 bedroom at 7 months because of the point allocation.

 

[Cfabar1]

BTW, people buying CFW should be very well aware that the POS for their home resort explicitly mention rebalancing the point charts within different unit types. If two resorts end up in the same vacation plan, they might move points from one resort to the other.
They might publish a crazy high point chart for DLL, put it in the trust with CFW, then lower DLL and increase CFW. Your purchase is not guaranteed.
 IF that clause is legal. But I don't know about trust systems to comment on that.

This is my understanding as well, and why I would NOT personally recommend buying into the trust system....

It is unclear to me what they can do once points are declared into the trust... and what inventory they can keep adding into the trust... I am unsure also if the 40 year limit applies to trust properties... So you know, halfway through your contract when they add a bunch of inventory into Disney's All Star Music DVC into the trust, how does that impact you.

When VGF2 was added, many original owners were unhappy. Imagine something like that happening every five years or so... Could that happen? I don't know... I do think that post 2042, the trust is inevitable... I am also curious how that could impact MFs, in other words, can they put all that inventory into the trust and make owners subsidize unsold points in the trust? Probably not, but who knows...

The trusts in MVC and Hyatt are considered shady and worthless... As much as Lakeside Lodge intrigues me, I am very unlikely to purchase into a trust system... No way do I trust the mouse that much!

 

[Genie+]

This is Grand Flo villa rack rates Studio vs 1BR





$993 vs $1358
$824/$840 vs $1127
$888 vs $1216
$927 vs $1340

Cash side is charging roughly 50% more for 1BR. It’s not just square footage - it is occupancy. Studios have very similar max occupancy. That is a huge part of cost calculations when studio and 1BR is averaging the same amount of showers, coffee supplies, toiletries, linens, transportation, pool usage, hotel wear & tear, etc.

The cash side is charging 50% more for 1BR over studio

DVC is charging 100% to 150% more for 1BR over studio

There is a reason 1BRs generally fill last in DVC. The studios and 2BRs are usually the best value/point. I think that is intentional on DVC/Disney’s part. They want to lure people in with the point discounted studios, with hopes they eventually skip right up to 2BR where members then rationalize inviting others because ‘they have the room’. More people going to WDW buying expensive tickets, meals, and merch. The cheap studio point charts attract people to consider committing to WDW for decades. The cheap 2BRs attract families to buy more points and bring more people. The 1BRs points are priced high but help <7 month availability and breakage. It’s possible another part of why DVC prices 1BR so much higher than the similar occupancy studios is maybe offsetting lower average dining spend per person.

Either rack rates are underpriced in 1BRs or point charts are overpriced.

In the DVC system it is the 1BR subsidizing the studios and 2BRs. That’s fine. That it what we bought, but if management decided demand warranted a better balance here I’d feel fine too.

 

[Cfabar1]

At VGF though, points are still a better deal than cash rates even for one bedrooms....

Assuming an all in price of $12/pp
a one bedroom S-TH in January (36 pts/night) = $432/night
a one bedroom F-Sat in January (44 pts/night) $528/night

Cheapest 1 BR cash option listed above is $1127, even assuming a 35% discount from rack rate it comes out to $732.55 a night for the one bedroom - and I think that is a generous hope...

Also, you have to hope WDW has cash inventory to have available for that resort, which given the size of VGF is not always guaranteed...

I agree the studios are the better "value" proposition, but I may be in the minority here--- I didn't buy DVC for the studios.... I'd just as soon stay at the Swan and Dolphin or even the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress and not spend all that initial investment in DVC....

But on the other hand to be able to have a full kitchen where I don't have to eat 3500 calorie meals every day for every meal at Disney, laundry for the inevitable spills, a bedroom away from children and able to watch TV or talk once they go to bed, and be walkable to the park or two... I can deal with the terribly uncomfortable beds...

 

[RichVIII]

Agree with @Genie+ on selling and the nature of evolving needs. I struggle to think of a new buyer with 150 points at RR. You are only getting a few nights in 1BR without banking/borrowing. You are only getting a week in the two lowest seasons with using two years of points. That isn’t a sales pitch I would want to make for 34k.