13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[SLP958]

Also - Nelson Mandela was apparently brain dead since last June, and they kept him hooked up and his heart beating for months.

Really? I did not know that.

 

[thedonduck]

Really? I did not know that.

Did some reading, can't find anything official, but there are definitely some interesting g articles out there about it

 

[Lorelei Lee]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nextave...lessons-for-nelson-mandelas-family-and-yours/

Talks about end of life decisions and South African law on brain death, but dies not state that Mandela was brain dead.

But if you. Google "Mandela brain dead" a whole bunch of sites show up. None of which are mainstream.

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[Lorelei Lee]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/393859-bizarre-report-claims-nelson-mandela-death-was-june-26/

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[CF'er]

Unless they are still holding her body which is possible... the coroner has to do an autopsy and somehow I would think he made sure they knew that. The coroner will amend and release the death certificate as soon as all of his paperwork is done. He is not on their payroll or agenda etc. So I think that even if the family or atty don't release a statement, providing they do as they are supposed to autopsy wise, the public will find out. (I hope that all makes sense.)

 

[pigletgirl]

Nothing new?

 

[Lintasare]

Nothing new?

The family has been uncharacteristically quiet.

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

If she was improving they would be shouting it from the rooftops. I think she is declining and they are trying to either stop the decline, or prepare to say goodbye.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

And you know what's next. "Jahi didn't die on 12/12, she died because the hosptial refused to treat her for 28 days."

 

[dakcp2001]

And you know what's next. "Jahi didn't die on 12/12, she died because the hosptial refused to treat her for 28 days."

Yep. Those mean healthcare workers starved her to death.

 

[skylizard]

If she was improving they would be shouting it from the rooftops. I think she is declining and they are trying to either stop the decline, or prepare to say goodbye.

Exactly. Their silence speaks for itself, IMO.

 

[teller80]

They've raised $57,900. While I am sure they are incurring medical costs, this would be taxable income, right?

They might have set up the donations to go through a nonprofit foundation.

I've been thinking about this and I have to wonder... Can any nonprofit funnel money from gofundme to Jahi's family tax free? Wouldn't that be tax fraud? Can they claim medical costs for a deceased person?

How do fundraisers work locally? We've all been to a spaghetti dinner to help someone defray medical costs, is that money considered income for the family? I highly doubt they claim it, but the ones I've been to are in an AmVets type hall and could be "under the table" income. Would a website like gofundme be more apt to raise flags for the IRS?

 

[bcla]

I've been thinking about this and I have to wonder... Can any nonprofit funnel money from gofundme to Jahi's family tax free? Wouldn't that be tax fraud? Can they claim medical costs for a deceased person?

How do fundraisers work locally? We've all been to a spaghetti dinner to help someone defray medical costs, is that money considered income for the family? I highly doubt they claim it, but the ones I've been to are in an AmVets type hall and could be "under the table" income. Would a website like gofundme be more apt to raise flags for the IRS?

I'm thinking it's not "fraud" per se if it actually goes to verifiable expenses. Whether it's ethical or not is another matter. As it stands now, anyone donating knows where the money is supposed to be going.

Any funds would be slated to going towards maintaining a dead body. However, I think most donors sort of get that and don't care if she's legally dead or not. Besides that, the costs they have right now are likely way more than whatever they've received, unless they've got some other organization to actually fund this.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

I was thinking about this the other day and came up with a strange, possibly naive, question I was hoping someone could answer...

Why would Jahi's internal organs fail so quickly when a quadriplegic's organs can survive for decades?

Even though a quadriplegic's brain is fully functional isn't it basically detached from the internal organs due to spinal cord damage? It just seems to me that in both cases the body is living independent from the brain, for lack of a better word.

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

I was thinking about this the other day and came up with a strange, possibly naive, question I was hoping someone could answer... Why would Jahi's internal organs fail so quickly when a quadriplegic's organs can survive for decades? Even though a quadriplegic's brain is fully functional isn't it basically detached from the internal organs due to spinal cord damage? It just seems to me that in both cases the body is living independent from the brain, for lack of a better word.

I can't fully answer, but part of it is that the brain stops producing critical hormones in brain death, unlike spinal cord injury.

 

[bcla]

I was thinking about this the other day and came up with a strange, possibly naive, question I was hoping someone could answer...

Why would Jahi's internal organs fail so quickly when a quadriplegic's organs can survive for decades?

Even though a quadriplegic's brain is fully functional isn't it basically detached from the internal organs due to spinal cord damage? It just seems to me that in both cases the body is living independent from the brain, for lack of a better word.

The endocrine system was hinted by another poster. However, there probably are direct links to the brain that would be disrupted. The following claims there will be impaired organ function:

http://www.apparelyzed.com/quadriplegia-quadriplegic.html

Upon visual inspection of a quadriplegic patient, the first symptom of quadriplegia is impairment to the arms and legs. Function is also impaired in the torso. The loss of function in the torso usually results in a loss or impairment in controlling the bowel and bladder, sexual function, digestion, breathing and other autonomic functions.

Christopher Reeve was on a ventilator. Apparently he could be taken off the ventilator for a short period of time by stimulating the nervous pathways with electrical impulses.

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/reeveb.html

Actor Christopher Reeve, who was paralyzed eight years ago, can now breathe on his own thanks to an experimental surgical procedure that took place on February 28, 2003, in Cleveland, Ohio. The procedure is called "diaphragm pacing via laparoscopy." The procedure involves threading wires attached to electrodes into the diaphragm. The wires are attached outside the body to a control box that sends electrical signals to the diaphragm.

The procedure was possible because Reeve's phrenic nerves were not injured in the accident eight years ago. Phrenic nerves carry the signal for a breath to be taken. In Reeve's case, the phrenic nerves are intact, but they no longer receive the signals from the brainstem to initiate a breath. It's like a remote-controlled toy airplane with the controls lost. It can still function, but it needs something to tell it what to do and when to do it.

But what if the phrenic nerves could be told to function by a source outside the body? Researchers at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland, Ohio, had experimented with attaching electrodes to the diaphragm in the place where the phrenic nerves innervate the diaphragm. This area is called the "motor point." When the motor point is stimulated, the muscles in the diaphragm contract, bringing air into the lungs. When the nerve is not stimulated, muscles in the diaphragm relax and the lungs deflate. This cycle of muscle contraction and relaxation is the way we breathe.

Reeve can "breathe" this way for approximately 15 minutes. His muscles need to build up tone again, after many years of not being used. This form of breathing is liberating, because for the first time in eight years, Reeve can smell. This is because he is breathing through his nose and mouth during those 15 minutes, not through a tube in his throat. It is also liberating because it frees him from the constant noise of the ventilator, which makes whooshing noises as air is pushed in and out of the tube to his throat.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

I can't fully answer, but part of it is that the brain stops producing critical hormones in brain death, unlike spinal cord injury.

The endocrine system was hinted by another poster. However, there probably are direct links to the brain that would be disrupted. The following claims there will be impaired organ function:

Christopher Reeve was on a ventilator. Apparently he could be taken off the ventilator for a short period of time by stimulating the nervous pathways with electrical impulses.

Thanks guys, as disturbing as this whole crazy incident has been I'm absolutely fascinated by it. It blows me away with modern medical procedures we can keep people alive with such massive damage to their bodies.

I read an article the other day about a promising new cancer drug being tested that makes it possible for the patients immune system to kill the cancerous cells. It said that cancer cells have an outer coating that prevents our immune system from attacking them and this new drug strips away that outer layer. It's still in trial but has had about a 20% success rate and the best part is it doesn't require invasive procedures like chemo or radiation and rather than needing dozens of hard core medications it's one medication and then the immune system does the rest. Amazing!

 

[bcla]

Thanks guys, as disturbing as this whole crazy incident has been I'm absolutely fascinated by it. It blows me away with modern medical procedures we can keep people alive with such massive damage to their bodies.

What Children's Hospital Oakland did with Jahi McMath's body after brain death was probably learned from experience of keeping a body on support in order to facilitate transplantation of organs. I think attaching the ventilator was easy. In some countries I've heard of someone on a manual bag ventilator round the clock, and several pages back I showed a photo of a rig someone built in China for his brother that used a piston to push a bag.

The stuff that's probably required more expertise would be all the various drugs and fluids used to keep the body from completely shutting down. I heard they had the body on meds to increase blood pressure since it wasn't being regulated by the brain. The electrolyte level probably isn't being regulated like it would with a live brain. There's probably already massive organ failure all around, but the heart and lungs are still working as long as the ventilator keeps on pushing air through. I'm not sure at this point it really matters if they kidneys have given out.

 

[tinatark]

I've been thinking about this and I have to wonder... Can any nonprofit funnel money from gofundme to Jahi's family tax free? Wouldn't that be tax fraud? Can they claim medical costs for a deceased person?

How do fundraisers work locally? We've all been to a spaghetti dinner to help someone defray medical costs, is that money considered income for the family? I highly doubt they claim it, but the ones I've been to are in an AmVets type hall and could be "under the table" income. Would a website like gofundme be more apt to raise flags for the IRS?

Gofundme funds are not taxable income. Donations made there are gifts to the family.

 

[snarlingcoyote]

What Children's Hospital Oakland did with Jahi McMath's body after brain death was probably learned from experience of keeping a body on support in order to facilitate transplantation of organs. I think attaching the ventilator was easy. In some countries I've heard of someone on a manual bag ventilator round the clock, and several pages back I showed a photo of a rig someone built in China for his brother that used a piston to push a bag.

The stuff that's probably required more expertise would be all the various drugs and fluids used to keep the body from completely shutting down. I heard they had the body on meds to increase blood pressure since it wasn't being regulated by the brain. The electrolyte level probably isn't being regulated like it would with a live brain. There's probably already massive organ failure all around, but the heart and lungs are still working as long as the ventilator keeps on pushing air through. I'm not sure at this point it really matters if they kidneys have given out.

That's both a little creepy and a lot fascinating. I want to say thank you for posting it, but that also feels a little creepy.