YOU Don't Get Free Dining, And YOU Don't Get Free Dining!

We don't do FD because it just is not cost saving for us. I looked for fun at the packages with free dining and to me it looks like the packages are very expensive, maybe because the park hopper is a must with the FD but packages for Value and moderate resorts just seem so high. I would really crunch numbers because it looks like you may save more not doing FD and maybe doing room discounts especially with Orbitz or some travel offers that really give deep resort discounts. We are going in August and our 7 night trip for GF is such a great deal, it is magical. I will have much extra money for all the dining we want OOP.

Same here~ magical August deal. For our trip there is a $2,000 difference between my deal and the FD offer. I think I'll spend less than that on meals for DD(12) and myself for 6 days.

However, everyone's situation is different. But I don't think most people run the numbers for their families~ they just hear the word "Free" and logic goes out the window. This happened at work with people booking Disney well in advance telling me they could only afford to go if FD is offered. They all complained that they didn't really need the hopper but had to pay extra for that in order to get the "Free" dining. Yesterday they were so happy to get "Free" dining but had to upgrade hotels or rooms categories, oh and also had to upgrade the dining so they could get an upgraded meal plan ~it went on and on but the gist is they were spending a lot of money in order to get "Free" dining. In the end, I'm not sure anything they booked was worth it but dining is "Free" so it's a great deal~right!?

Disney is giving nothing away for free.

As far as the end to FD and complaints about hotel availability for FD. I read somewhere that UK 2017 FD was open for booking last week and those people were going wild to get their ressies booked. Also, UK guests will have the opportunity to also apply room discounts on top of Free dining deals to ensure they will see how cheap it is to come to Disney.

So next year at this time I'm sure I'll go on DIS and read the same complaints.
 
the actual savings realized does depend on total expenditures, but there are a lot of variables.

If a rack rate reservation with park hopper and free dining costs exactly the same as a discounted room with paid dining and separately purchased park hopper tickets, what would be the impetus in choosing between the two? Drop the dining plan on the second option and almost every party would save more, but some actually like being on the dining plan better even if they are paying more to have it than they would spend OOP - they either feel like they are saving when they really aren't, or they like the psychological effect of having the meals prepaid.

UK guests are being given the option of combining:
-free dining for stays of up to 21 nights
- steep room discounts (especially at OKW and SSR)
-14 day ticket for the price of 7 days if booked with Disney hotel stay of at least 5 nights
-$200 gift card per reservation

They only get a dining plan if they book moderate (quick service) or deluxe (regular plan) though. Value gets free breakfast.

This is because UK visitors usually come for 2 to 3 weeks. WDW wants them to spend most or all of that time staying, eating, spending and visiting the parks at WDW - not someplace else like Universal...where they can't spend that Disney gift card.
 
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UK & Ireland deals run for next year only. Deposit paid is not refundable. Sometimes it's cheaper to book the US offer when it's out even if you have to cancel and lose deposit

Traditionally the offers run for long time so people aren't going wild. People are exited on day 1 but there is availability for months
 
UK & Ireland deals run for next year only. Deposit paid is not refundable. Sometimes it's cheaper to book the US offer when it's out even if you have to cancel and lose deposit

Traditionally the offers run for long time so people aren't going wild. People are exited on day 1 but there is availability for months

Are you from the UK or Ireland Happy Grape? Is it being for next year only a change from past offers - I'm not clear on that. I'm surprised that sometime it is cheaper to book the US offer, I didn't know that.
What does the bolded statement above mean? Oh is it supposed to be excited not exited? That makes more sense :-)
 

Drop the dining plan on the second option and almost every party would save more, but some actually like being on the dining plan better even if they are paying more to have it than they would spend OOP - they either feel like they are saving when they really aren't, or they like the psychological effect of having the meals prepaid.

This, is in part, why I like being on the dining plan. It's not so much overall savings because we could go out of pocket for less money and I'm totally aware of that. But we wouldn't vacation the way we like to without it. We go to WDW, on average, every 3 years or so. We stay deluxe because I like the deluxe resorts overall and I like to stay on the monorail (I may branch out and try some of the Epcot area deluxe resorts in the future). We don't book a "top tier" room but rather a standard or garden view because I'm already trying my husband's vacation budget patience with me by staying deluxe. I know that if he is handed food expense after food expense, at Disney prices everyday of our trip, then he's going to have a less than magical time and his overall mood is going to impact the trip. We decided that if I present to him our vacation package (I'm the family vacation planner) with the majority of our food costs built into the final figure, he feels much more in control of our spending while we are in the parks and we can budget our vacation dollars for that figure easier. Because of this we are both fans of the dining plan. We like having ADRs and knowing that we definitely have a place to eat that we like. Also this allows us to eat in the signature restaurants that we like, along with the rest of our meals for less money per day most of the time. We like the TS over the QS places, we like character meals and we like taking a break from the parks and having family meals. Not everyone does and therefore those people probably spend far less on food than we do. The DDP allows everybody in my family to order whatever they want and also allows for fun Disney treats and snacks for our kiddos without feeling nickel & dimed every day and you're right in that this becomes psychological to an extent. This is just how WE like to do Disney. I am personally more relaxed if I budget everything ahead of time. So Free Dining is just a perk because I'm going to have a DDP anyway. If we can't afford to do Disney the way we like to do Disney on a given year then a free dining plan isn't going to change that for us. What it will do is make that bottom line look more attractive to us and sometimes that's totally psychological as well. The fact is not everyone has the same vacation priorities and that's ok. I'm sure there are people who got FD that have a much cheaper trip planned than I do and people who didn't get it that are paying a lot more than me and they couldn't really care less. Maybe we don't all have the same vacation budget this year or maybe there is a family that goes to WDW every year or multiple times a year so they want to spend less than I do per trip or maybe the resort itself is a different priority to a particular family than it is to the next family. In the end, FD is just a discount. It may decide your vacation or it may not. Just because I choose to spend money on certain things doesn't mean that I am doing so because I don't understand what I could be saving if I chose differently. Everyone loves a good deal but most of us also want the trip we want. That's where priorities come into play and no one's priorities are any worse or better than another's. They are simply YOURS. :)

Let me edit to add that I wasn't directing anything at you, MakiraMarlena. I was just expanding off of the "psychological" comment that I thought was accurate in my case!
 
Before buying into DVC, we have been on both ends of that. We were usually able to convert our room only reservation to a discount deal, but not always. I never felt slighted over it when we did not get it.

I think the main thing is that we all remember we are not entitled to any discount offered. It stinks when others get it and we don't, but there just is not enough inventory available for everybody to get it. The discounts are to fill rooms.
 
US offer could be better for some UK guests depending on how they want to book (Happy Grape noted that the deposit isn't refundable for them) and how long they want to stay at Disney. The longer they want to stay, the better the deal is (because Disney wants to encourage them to stay). But if they want to do other things, and stay maybe a week or less at WDW they might be better off booking under the US offer or just not doing a dining plan.
 
This, is in part, why I like being on the dining plan. It's not so much overall savings because we could go out of pocket for less money and I'm totally aware of that. But we wouldn't vacation the way we like to without it. We go to WDW, on average, every 3 years or so. We stay deluxe because I like the deluxe resorts overall and I like to stay on the monorail (I may branch out and try some of the Epcot area deluxe resorts in the future). We don't book a "top tier" room but rather a standard or garden view because I'm already trying my husband's vacation budget patience with me by staying deluxe. I know that if he is handed food expense after food expense, at Disney prices everyday of our trip, then he's going to have a less than magical time and his overall mood is going to impact the trip. We decided that if I present to him our vacation package (I'm the family vacation planner) with the majority of our food costs built into the final figure, he feels much more in control of our spending while we are in the parks and we can budget our vacation dollars for that figure easier. Because of this we are both fans of the dining plan. We like having ADRs and knowing that we definitely have a place to eat that we like. Also this allows us to eat in the signature restaurants that we like, along with the rest of our meals for less money per day most of the time. We like the TS over the QS places, we like character meals and we like taking a break from the parks and having family meals. Not everyone does and therefore those people probably spend far less on food than we do. The DDP allows everybody in my family to order whatever they want and also allows for fun Disney treats and snacks for our kiddos without feeling nickel & dimed every day and you're right in that this becomes psychological to an extent. This is just how WE like to do Disney. I am personally more relaxed if I budget everything ahead of time. So Free Dining is just a perk because I'm going to have a DDP anyway. If we can't afford to do Disney the way we like to do Disney on a given year then a free dining plan isn't going to change that for us. What it will do is make that bottom line look more attractive to us and sometimes that's totally psychological as well. The fact is not everyone has the same vacation priorities and that's ok. I'm sure there are people who got FD that have a much cheaper trip planned than I do and people who didn't get it that are paying a lot more than me and they couldn't really care less. Maybe we don't all have the same vacation budget this year or maybe there is a family that goes to WDW every year or multiple times a year so they want to spend less than I do per trip or maybe the resort itself is a different priority to a particular family than it is to the next family. In the end, FD is just a discount. It may decide your vacation or it may not. Just because I choose to spend money on certain things doesn't mean that I am doing so because I don't understand what I could be saving if I chose differently. Everyone loves a good deal but most of us also want the trip we want. That's where priorities come into play and no one's priorities are any worse or better than another's. They are simply YOURS. :)

Let me edit to add that I wasn't directing anything at you, MakiraMarlena. I was just expanding off of the "psychological" comment that I thought was accurate in my case!
I was at the same place as you a while ago. I thought I needed the dining plan to keep from price checking each meal. It took me a while to get past that mindset. When I did I learned I still ate the exact way we wanted and spent less. The way I started was to put the cost of the dining plan on gift cards. The money is already spent but not, if that makes sense. Turns out we brought home money. Because when we ate we were hungry, not because we had a credit that had to be used. In the end we ate fewer meals but ate more, if that makes sense. We didn't go hungry (quite obvious if you were to see DH and I). But at Disney we find 1 TS meal mid day, maybe 1 early and 1 late, is all we want. We just don't get hungry when we are hot and busy. And those meals we do eat are not small. Since we went to this method we just about dropped all QS meals but for a few select favorites.

I posted elsewhere that one of the best things about Disney is they offer so many different options that it's easy to find one that fits your needs. And a nice thing about bouncing ideas off here on various threads is it can give someone an idea of something to try that they may not have thought of before. That's how I changed the way we book
 
I so wish we could do that Magical deal but school starts so early in Texas! I think the only week we could do it is the week before school starts, and my kiddos would be like zombies the first week.


Same here~ magical August deal. For our trip there is a $2,000 difference between my deal and the FD offer. I think I'll spend less than that on meals for DD(12) and myself for 6 days.

However, everyone's situation is different. But I don't think most people run the numbers for their families~ they just hear the word "Free" and logic goes out the window. This happened at work with people booking Disney well in advance telling me they could only afford to go if FD is offered. They all complained that they didn't really need the hopper but had to pay extra for that in order to get the "Free" dining. Yesterday they were so happy to get "Free" dining but had to upgrade hotels or rooms categories, oh and also had to upgrade the dining so they could get an upgraded meal plan ~it went on and on but the gist is they were spending a lot of money in order to get "Free" dining. In the end, I'm not sure anything they booked was worth it but dining is "Free" so it's a great deal~right!?

Disney is giving nothing away for free.

As far as the end to FD and complaints about hotel availability for FD. I read somewhere that UK 2017 FD was open for booking last week and those people were going wild to get their ressies booked. Also, UK guests will have the opportunity to also apply room discounts on top of Free dining deals to ensure they will see how cheap it is to come to Disney.

So next year at this time I'm sure I'll go on DIS and read the same complaints.
 
Thanks! I have no clue how that happened! Mind you, I'm in no way saving the kind of money other people are saving by staying at a mod or value. I guess because originally I was paying rack at a deluxe and full price for the dining plan? When I switched to club level to get FD, the price difference between my standard room and a club level garden room must have been less than the cost of the dining plan. My new reservation is $272 LESS than my original one! Yes, please, I will stay CL and get free dining! Lol....we are at the Poly in September.
We had the exact same scenario. Also going in September in a standard room, but ended up upgrading to CL and getting free dining while saving money! So excited!! We will be there the week of September 11. When are you going?
 
We had the exact same scenario. Also going in September in a standard room, but ended up upgrading to CL and getting free dining while saving money! So excited!! We will be there the week of September 11. When are you going?

We check in on Sept. 15th!
 
Right now we are staying until Saturday, but we may leave Friday. We may run into you in the CL lounge on Friday
 
we booked a free dining bounceback last fall for pop century. but it wasn't good until aug 26. our AP expire on aug 31`. but I booked it for 9 ngihts anyway. figured we would do pool. water park, DTD on the last 3 days. (considered using the required 2 day tickets on 2 of those day,s, but that would be a waste. I save them to bridge them to next years AP).
well, when the free dining came out, starting aug 23, we called and the CM was able to "modify" the reservation, adding 3 days at the begining. (it's a preferred room, and we upgraded to the reg. DDP) this was yesterday.. so as of tues. there were preferred rooms ar pop available for aug.

(we probably should have just moved the trip up 3 days. but we were bad.... we are still staying those last 3 days! )
 
I take two weeks holidays (it's what most people do) and set budget for it. The euro is down so much and I don't intent increasing my holiday spending. If there wasn't good offer I would stay offsite and do US&IoA and other parks or another holiday destination and skip Disney completely. Due to the offer I am staying at WDW and skipping all other parks so goal achieved to keep us in property. It's also peace of mind - regardless of what happens to the euro rate I don't have to worry about parking fees and dining costs.

It's very different offering but it's designed to cater for the market it's sold in and by no means they are giving away free holidays. It's still very expensive. Package when you upgrade to regular dining start from 5000 usd for 3 of us during the cheapest time of the year in CBR ( September / October). This is only WDW cost, not things as car hire or any transport. Only room & dining plan & tickets. It costs substantially more in summer months and it's not available Easter

It's Disney! Business designed to separate you (well me too) from your money and they are great at it. They charge as much as you are willing to pay.
 
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I guess they also aim for market diversification in case there is another economic downturn. Also discounting dvc rooms in US will not be popular with dvc owners and it's easier to sell rooms abroad that are harder to sell locally and avoid upset to dvc owners. SSR and OKW aren't as popular as the other DVC deluxe resorts. But they don't want it to appear as something less then great investment if they reduce the costs in US. Selling them abroad would make more sense

(as someone kindly pointed this out to me on easywdw)
 
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So I am guessing that the CR probably will not open up any more rooms for FD or a RO discount down the road?
 
Same here~ magical August deal. For our trip there is a $2,000 difference between my deal and the FD offer. I think I'll spend less than that on meals for DD(12) and myself for 6 days.
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definitely. I have a fairly detailed dining budget and am doing 8 days/7 nights with my kiddo (8) and we are eating EVERYWHERE (DxDDP first half of split stay) and it's running right around half that. I think you'd have to kill yourself with food to double that budget :)
 


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