You can ride TT or Soarin but not both...agghh!

[larryz]

And I'll just say this: If I'm at a buffet and there are only two chicken wings left, you best get out of my way.

And I'll let you have them, because there will be more along in a minute or two.

But I haven't seen any signs of construction in or around Epcot (which now stands for Every Person Concerned Over Tiering).

 

[Laketravis]

And I'll let you have them, because there will be more along in a minute or two.

But I haven't seen any signs of construction in or around Epcot (which now stands for Every Person Concerned Over Tiering).

 

[wisblue]

Considering how many times I've been to WDW, and how many times I've done all of the major attractions, I don't see me paying $100 for one day in a Disney park even if I got an unlimited front of the line pass. But then, once a day on a ride is enough for me anyway.

Maybe I would consider it after I've been away for a few years. Same thing for Universal or any other theme or amusement park.

 

[johde]

Looks like the current price for a one-day Epcot ticket with tax is $95.85

Regardless of how many people buy a one-day ticket, that is the price.

Seems like an awful lot to pay for one headliner FP.

Universal charges $97.98 for a 1 day ticket to IOA and that gets you zero express passes headliner or otherwise. And it's number 1 headliner still doesn't have express pass for anyone. In terms of perks for the "off the street" guest, Disney is tough to beat even with FP+. Now that's at the expense of those that stay onsite or who are willing to pay more.

 

[Laketravis]

Universal charges $97.98 for a 1 day ticket to IOA and that gets you zero express passes headliner or otherwise. And it's number 1 headliner still doesn't have express pass for anyone. In terms of perks for the "off the street" guest, Disney is tough to beat even with FP+. Now that's at the expense of those that stay onsite or who are willing to pay more.

I haven't been to Universal yet. How do their standby lines compare to TT, Soarin, TSMM, and RnRC?

 

[Silock]

Yes. Always. Even at a 4 hour standby it could be done.

Nope

 

[Brian Noble]

I haven't been to Universal yet. How do their standby lines compare to TT, Soarin, TSMM, and RnRC?

I don't know that they've ever hit some of the ridonculous numbers we saw over the holiday period this winter at the WDW headliners, but during moderate-to-busy times, most of the better Universal attractions can generate some healthy lines. Even today---a Saturday in January---some lines got noticeable. Spidey had a couple 65 minute reports and Potter got up to 45. The Minions are listed at 85, Rock-It 60, and Transformers 75. That's not half bad for a slow time of year.

 

[mom2rtk]

And I'll just say this: If I'm at a buffet and there are only two chicken wings left, you best get out of my way.

And this is why I like message boards!

 

[DividedSky]

Yes I hope you(DividedSky) plan on standing back and allowing all first time visitors ahead of you, and make sure the get to eat at Chef Mickey or Ohana before you.

do first time visitors pay a different price? no.

the problem with disney is it is too popular. A drastic increase in ticket prices would actually solve these problems. lowering the price would make it worse.

the chicken wing analogy is really bad. here is a better one:

a buffet restaurant is super popular. So popular a line stretches around the block to just reach the cashier.

Now lets say they implement a policy the last few years where they allow one person to stand in the line, while someone else goes and grabs a table. As time goes by, we learn that some people are now standing around eating because once they finally pay and have their food, all the tables have been taken.

So the restaurant changes its policy. Rather then increasing prices, or building more tables, they change the policy. They say you can't use a runner to grab a table anymore.

Now some people are mad. They didn't just like the great food, they liked the free wi-fi too. this policy is cutting into their good time, so they go onto a forum and complain quite loudly about it.

some people try to point out that while yes, they are not getting that 20 minutes of free wi-fi anymore even though they pay the same money they always paid, atleast everyone finally can sit down and eat, and that is why it is a better system.

The world we live in will never be able to accommodate everyone that wants to eat in the really great restaurant. the invisible hand of the free market solves this. demand goes up, prices go up, and if not, the experience gets worse and demand goes back down because the restaurant is taking on too many customers

 

[maxiesmom]

Not always.

Pretty much you can. And most of us don't visit the parks on those level 10 days.

 

[stormer]

Pretty much you can. And most of us don't visit the parks on those level 10 days.

That is not true. Many people travel based on their children's school schedule and can only visit at busy times.

 

[DividedSky]

That is not true. Many people travel based on their children's school schedule and can only visit at busy times.

but to not be able to ride both rides on the busiest days when park hours are extended, you would have to see 5-6 hour stand by lines. that is not happening on level 10 days unless the ride breaks and people refuse to give up hope.

 

[Laketravis]

The world we live in will never be able to accommodate everyone that wants to eat in the really great restaurant. the invisible hand of the free market solves this. demand goes up, prices go up, and if not, the experience gets worse and demand goes back down because the restaurant is taking on too many customers

That might make sense to more people if you word it this way:

"WDW will never be able to accommodate everyone that wants to ride the really great rides. The invisible hand of the free market solves this. Demand goes up, prices go up, and if not, the experience gets worse and demand goes back down because the park is taking on too many customers"

And I absolutely agree with that. As long as there are people who don't mind standing in 2 hour lines, there will be 2 hour lines.

Disney could triple park ticket prices. If it cut park attendance in half, they are still happy. Not content, mind you, but happy. And so are the park guests who paid three times as much to enjoy a park with half as many people in it.

That is an extreme example, but yes - it's all about supply and demand.

 

[freediverdude]

I typically only ride the headliners (or any ride or show really) once per day, so all this talk of re-riding doesn't even affect me. All I am asking for is the ability to ride each headliner once per day without a huge wait, for the price of my PAP and a Disney resort stay. I could typically do this with FP- during the day ( not at rope drop).

Now, other people are entitled to their opinion if they feel I shouldn't necessarily be able to do that. But that's what I'm asking for and personally feel is fair.

 

[stormer]

but to not be able to ride both rides on the busiest days when park hours are extended, you would have to see 5-6 hour stand by lines. that is not happening on level 10 days unless the ride breaks and people refuse to give up hope.

I did not say anything about wait times. All i said is it is completely false that most people don't go to the parks on a level 10 day. Most people do go then, that is what makes it a level 10.

 

[Brian Noble]

All I am asking for is the ability to ride each headliner once per day without a huge wait, for the price of my PAP and a Disney resort stay.

The problem is that the math doesn't work for this. Toy Story can only provide about 12,000 rides per day, total. Soarin' and Test Track each can only do about 15K. But, each park sees 27-30K guests on an average day. Even restricted to onsite guests; there are about 30,000 hotel rooms on property. If the average occupancy is only 3 guests per room, and only 1/4 show up to any one park on any one day, you still can't quite do it.

 

[DividedSky]

I typically only ride the headliners (or any ride or show really) once per day, so all this talk of re-riding doesn't even affect me. All I am asking for is the ability to ride each headliner once per day without a huge wait, for the price of my PAP and a Disney resort stay. I could typically do this with FP- during the day ( not at rope drop).

Now, other people are entitled to their opinion if they feel I shouldn't necessarily be able to do that. But that's what I'm asking for and personally feel is fair.

fair is too subjective to me.

some claim it isn't fair that some kids will never be able to afford disney even once in their lifetime.

others think it isn't fair if they can't run all over the park snatching up fp- tickets as soon as their window reopens.

 

[DividedSky]

I did not say anything about wait times. All i said is it is completely false that most people don't go to the parks on a level 10 day. Most people do go then, that is what makes it a level 10.

365 days in the year.

you add up the total visits on levels 1-9, and it will still be more then 10 times higher the the visits on the few level 10 days.

so you are still wrong

 

[maxiesmom]

All I am asking for is the ability to ride each headliner once per day without a huge wait, for the price of my PAP and a Disney resort stay. I could typically do this with FP- during the day ( not at rope drop).

Now, other people are entitled to their opinion if they feel I shouldn't necessarily be able to do that. But that's what I'm asking for and personally feel is fair.

Not trying to be snarky, but what theme park has ever guaranteed that? Disney has never guaranteed that. They don't even guarantee that any particular ride will be open.

Even so there are many things guests can do to avoid waiting in long lines. From picking a slower time of year, to showing up at the parks early, to riding headliners during parades and fireworks, to staying late in the parks. Disney has never promised you could sleep in and still do every single thing you want to do with short waits. Control what you can control.

 

[stormer]

365 days in the year.

you add up the total visits on levels 1-9, and it will still be more then 10 times higher the the visits on the few level 10 days.

so you are still wrong

You are wrong.
The exact quote I commented on was "And most of us don't visit the parks on those level 10 days." That is false. Most people do go to the parks on a level 10 day, that is what makes it a level 10. Nothing to do with adding up the total visits. No need to diasgree with everything people say. I was simply pointing out that many people travel based on their children's schools schedules and DO visit on level 10 days. I am sure locals do not visit on these days, but that was not the point at all.