You can ride TT or Soarin but not both...agghh!

[freediverdude]

Well, if the math doesn't work, where they cannot get the vast majority of visitors to the park each day through each of the major headliners for one ride, then I think Disney does have a problem, unfortunately.

But like I said, you're all entitled to your opinion. I'm just telling you what I feel is worth the dollars that I am paying at Disney.

 

[DividedSky]

You are wrong.
The exact quote I commented on was "And most of us don't visit the parks on those level 10 days." That is false. Most people do go to the parks on a level 10 day, that is what makes it a level 10. Nothing to do with adding up the total visits. No need to diasgree with everything people say. I was simply pointing out that many people travel based on their children's schools schedules and DO visit on level 10 days. I am sure locals do not visit on these days, but that was not the point at all.

a level 10 day has more people then a level 9 day.

but out of the total number of people that visit the park every year, most went on days that rated a 1-9.

 

[DividedSky]

Well, if the math doesn't work, where they cannot get the vast majority of visitors to the park each day through each of the major headliners for one ride, then I think Disney does have a problem, unfortunately.

disney has a problem when their expenses exceed their revenue.

until then, it is peoples with the problems, not Disney

 

[Brian Noble]

Well, if the math doesn't work, where they cannot get the vast majority of visitors to the park each day through each of the major headliners for one ride, then I think Disney does have a problem, unfortunately.

And they've always had this problem. However, the guests who knew what they were doing were insulated from it, because they knew how to ride everything without long waits. FP+ reduces that advantage. I don't think it eliminates it entirely; if you are willing to get to the park before it opens and tour smartly, I think you can still pull this off, though you might need two days for MK. (You probably needed two days even before FP+.)

 

[stormer]

a level 10 day has more people then a level 9 day.

but out of the total number of people that visit the park every year, most went on days that rated a 1-9.

I guess we just interpreted it two different ways. I did not take the word most to mean make a math problem out of it and add up the visitors. I took the quote to mean there is not an abundance of people who visit on level 10 days. Trust me I would love to visit on low crowd days, but it just isn't possible. Hopefully someday!

 

[rosiep]

I understand you're disappointed because you can't get a FP for both these rides but please don't presuppose you can't ride both. As others have said you can but you might choose not to. Like you, I am not an early riser and under the old FP system I often got to the park too late for any FPs but still rode both rides.

Wishing you the best

 

[DividedSky]

I guess we just interpreted it two different ways. I did not take the word most to mean make a math problem out of it and add up the visitors. I took the quote to mean there is not an abundance of people who visit on level 10 days. Trust me I would love to visit on low crowd days, but it just isn't possible. Hopefully someday!

obviously a level 10 day is more crowded then a level 1 day.

it gets bit more murky when the levels are close though

For instance, you could have more visitors on a level 9 day. Once example is how things like the Halloween party work. total visitors go up, but they come for something other then the rides, and ride wait times is how a days numerical value is assigned, not park visitors.

 

[freediverdude]

disney has a problem when their expenses exceed their revenue.

until then, it is peoples with the problems, not Disney

Yes, that would be Disney's current position wouldn't it. Instead of making sure guests are delighted so they come back and tell all their friends, greatly increasing business for the future, the story is we can't afford the expense and make the Q2 quarterly numbers that Wall Street is expecting. But then we're back to talking about the problems with Wall Street and how things are run, so we would be getting off topic.

 

[DividedSky]

Yes, that would be Disney's current position wouldn't it. Instead of making sure guests are delighted so they come back and tell all their friends, greatly increasing business for the future, the story is we can't afford the expense and make the Q2 quarterly numbers that Wall Street is expecting. But then we're back to talking about the problems with Wall Street and how things are run, so we would be getting off topic.

I would hope that would be anyone's position that lives in this country.

The wait time is a problem because too many people go back and talk abut how great a time they had. If more people go back talking about how it just isn't worth it, maybe the lines will get smaller and the tiering strategy can change.

the position I hope nobody takes is one where they feel Disney is obligated to get bigger out of some misplaced sense of entitlement.

 

[freediverdude]

This is what I don't understand. Disney should want to expand and increase their business, not stay static and try to shrink crowds. That doesn't seem to make any business sense at all to me.

 

[DividedSky]

This is what I don't understand. Disney should want to expand and increase their business, not stay static and try to shrink crowds. That doesn't seem to make any business sense at all to me.

it's a fascinating dynamic.

I love micro-brew beer. One of my favorites of all time eventually got so popular that they kept expanding and expanding to keep up with demand. they now aren't even in my top 100 favorite beers. I'm sure they had to make some changes to production to keep up with demand, and their product was forever effected.

 

[Laketravis]

This is what I don't understand. Disney should want to expand and increase their business, not stay static and try to shrink crowds. That doesn't seem to make any business sense at all to me.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

They don't necessarily have to increase crowds to expand and increase their business. They just have to charge less people more.

Of course at some point the bean counters would point out that attendance isn't increasing or has decreased, but then the marketing people would point out how overall guest satisfaction is off the friggin' charts, and then Iger would call me up and say "Thanks for the idea.. want my job?" and I would politely say no because ...whoa, wait a minute, of course I'd say yes!!

 

[Silock]

Pretty much you can. And most of us don't visit the parks on those level 10 days.

No way. Not rope dropping and no FP? That's the premise. There's no way you're showing up at noon on a level 10 day and doing that. I guess maybe you could eat a protein bar in line and wear adult diapers, but it's just not realistic.

Even if it were possible, you're spending $100 to stand in line for 9 hours and ride 2 rides. That's an awful deal.

 

[Brian Noble]

There's no way you're showing up at noon on a level 10 day and doing that.

But, you can have a perfectly fun time.

My brother did this with his family on their first visit to Disneyland. They went during the period between Christmas and New Years. They had no plan. They arrived at about 10:00 in the morning, and left in the late afternoon. In that time, they had lunch, saw the holiday parade, soaked up the atmosphere, and experienced three "attractions", one of which was a Pooh meet-n-greet.

You know what? They had a lot of fun, and felt good about doing this on a full-price, one day ticket. So much so, that they went back the next year and did it again, albeit this time with a copy of RideMax so that they could squeeze in a few more things.

 

[DividedSky]

No way. Not rope dropping and no FP? That's the premise. There's no way you're showing up at noon on a level 10 day and doing that. I guess maybe you could eat a protein bar in line and wear adult diapers, but it's just not realistic.

Even if it were possible, you're spending $100 to stand in line for 9 hours and ride 2 rides. That's an awful deal.

touring plans shows a level 10 day at about 119 standby for TT. 116 minute for Soarin. And this is the middle of the day mind you. At night, the wait gets shorter by 15-25 minutes. but lets go with the worst 1pm wait time for the entire day.

So I show up at noon. I'm done riding TT at 2:20. go use the restroom, then walk clear over to soarin.

Lets say I arrive at 3. Finished riding it at 5:20. get a quick bite, go to bathroom.

I'm back at TT by 6. done riding at 8:30.

that's three rides, two bathrooms, and some food. and the park is open still.

not a great day, for sure, but not as bad as what has been suggested not even close.

 

[MinnieGi]

While I also don't like how you have to pick between headliners at Epcot and DHS for FP+ we did indeed ride them all and multiple times during the busiest time of the year - Christmas Week!

We found rope drop was not as crowded at all because of FP+. Now when the OP is going sounds like a not so crowded time so parks would not open till 9:00 and really if you can get there before 10:00, I think you will have just a small wait for a headliner like TT while you have a FP waiting for Soarin. Is in the park by 10:00 doable? If you go in with a plan and go right to the ride you want TT, I really don't think you'll have a problem.

 

[magicbob]

touring plans shows a level 10 day at about 119 standby for TT. 116 minute for Soarin. And this is the middle of the day mind you. At night, the wait gets shorter by 15-25 minutes. but lets go with the worst 1pm wait time for the entire day.

So I show up at noon. I'm done riding TT at 2:20. go use the restroom, then walk clear over to soarin.

Lets say I arrive at 3. Finished riding it at 5:20. get a quick bite, go to bathroom.

I'm back at TT by 6. done riding at 8:30.

that's three rides, two bathrooms, and some food. and the park is open still.

not a great day, for sure,

Agreed.

but not as bad as what has been suggested not even close.

Sorry, but what you've described is pretty darn stinky in my book (but what do I know? I'm just a negative naysayer). The plan you described requires sacrificing almost your entire visit to accomplish those few rides... no shows, no other attractions, no thank you. But, hey... you got to use the bathroom twice.

 

[andyman8]

There's really bad news and good news for the OP.

The bad news is that at the time being, that is the case if you don't want to get up early. FP+ one and wait standby for the other. One potential idea is to do Soarin' FP+ and use the single rider line for Test Track.

The "good" news however is that Disney knows that you (and most others) are feeling this way and soon, they'll have a solution: for an extra say $15 per person, you can get a FP+ for TT while using your one tier 1 FP+ for Soarin' or vice-versa. I can't imagine we're too far off from the launch or testing of that.

 

[Krissy562]

Agreed.



Sorry, but what you've described is pretty darn stinky in my book (but what do I know? I'm just a negative naysayer). The plan you described requires sacrificing almost your entire visit to accomplish those few rides... no shows, no other attractions, no thank you. But, hey... you got to use the bathroom twice.

.....and sleep in; which was OPs overarching imperative.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

There's really bad news and good news for the OP.

The bad news is that at the time being, that is the case if you don't want to get up early. FP+ one and wait standby for the other. One potential idea is to do Soarin' FP+ and use the single rider line for Test Track.

The "good" news however is that Disney knows that you (and most others) are feeling this way and soon, they'll have a solution: for an extra say $15 per person, you can get a FP+ for TT while using your one tier 1 FP+ for Soarin' or vice-versa. I can't imagine we're too far off from the launch or testing of that.

That's definitely possible. I wonder if there will be a limit on how many extra you will be able to purchase, if they do go that route.