Yes, I understand the risks of banking, but this change of plans was not our fault.

[TraderSamWDW]

Under normal circumstances if I fail to use my points, they expire and its called breakage. This basically enables Disney to rent out the room (really for a 2nd time since i had already rented it) and keep most of the money(after they meet the breakage threshold). It helps the bottom line just a wee bit when you can sell things twice!. And by renting it out they also keep the room occupied. Perhaps its by a greater number of people that I would have had in the room, perhaps the same, perhaps less, hard to ever know.

Now, if with this surplus of points, if I do not use my points because of lack of inventory, they expire. However, this time, they do not get to rent that room out, and they deny my party a trip there - which means people wanting to go there and spend money wont.

Call me crazy, but I have an odd feeling that Disney is not going to let that happen. Particularly if hotel occupancy plummets. They are not leaving that money on the table.

 

[Cyberc1978]

It is my understanding that there are only a certain number of points available per UY.

Not entirely accurate. Each resort have the same UY’s available February, March, April, June, August, September, October and December. Some resorts have more February points and other and others again have more October points than others.

You can see the split here:https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/own...ear-distribution-charts-updated-february-2018

 

[stephk1981]

We have a reservation last few days of May and into first week of June. We banked our 2018 points to use for this trip, they expire end of May. Banking points is great so that you can have a longer trip, but I'm thinking at this point we're just out of luck for our 2018 banked and now our 2019 points. I don't think Disney will open by the end of May ( maybe not by June 1, who knows!) Everyone has a different story about lost points, it's disappointing.....but, if Disney decides to do anything about lost points, I just hope they do it for everyone not just on a case by case basis when people call into MS.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

Not entirely accurate. Each resort have the same UY’s available February, March, April, June, August, September, October and December. Some resorts have more February points and other and others again have more October points than others.

You can see the split here:https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/own...ear-distribution-charts-updated-february-2018

the points in a given UY will change as new resorts come on line.
They are not evenly distributed, but February has what it has, that will not change until DVC declares more unites into inventory for that UY (excluding any reallocation done by Dinsey which will be pretty negligible)

Right Now February could have 3,000,000 points in it across all resorts. After the next declaration into inventory at DRR there could be 3,200,000 in the February UY.

 

[Cyberc1978]

We have a reservation last few days of May and into first week of June. We banked our 2018 points to use for this trip, they expire end of May. Banking points is great so that you can have a longer trip, but I'm thinking at this point we're just out of luck for our 2018 banked and now our 2019 points. I don't think Disney will open by the end of May ( maybe not by June 1, who knows!) Everyone has a different story about lost points, it's disappointing.....but, if Disney decides to do anything about lost points, I just hope they do it for everyone not just on a case by case basis when people call into MS.

What ever DVC decides they should definitely do it for all impacted members and not just for a select few.

 

[Sandisw]

We have a reservation last few days of May and into first week of June. We banked our 2018 points to use for this trip, they expire end of May. Banking points is great so that you can have a longer trip, but I'm thinking at this point we're just out of luck for our 2018 banked and now our 2019 points. I don't think Disney will open by the end of May ( maybe not by June 1, who knows!) Everyone has a different story about lost points, it's disappointing.....but, if Disney decides to do anything about lost points, I just hope they do it for everyone not just on a case by case basis when people call into MS.

In this instance, anything solution will apply to all. The only scenario I could see them possibly doing would be to only allow late banking to those with April and June UY since their windows were closed when DVCM announced the closure,

All other UYs could cancel and still bank, I am not saying they will, and not likely but that would be the only situation I could even think would be different.

But, if they were going to do that I think, they would have announced it I by now,

 

[GCorbett]

The only solution that I could see that would not cause tidal wave effects to the DVC system would be to allow owners who are losing points to use them as holding points for a period of time. I'm sure that people would still complain about having to book within 60 days, but that would help Disney keep rooms full if occupancy is low and avoid having an active points overload.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

The only solution that I could see that would not cause tidal wave effects to the DVC system would be to allow owners who are losing points to use them as holding points for a period of time. I'm sure that people would still complain about having to book within 60 days, but that would help Disney keep rooms full if occupancy is low and avoid having an active points overload.

I proposed this exact thing on a different thread. Spread out the "lost" points over time, but restrict them to 60-day advance bookings like points in holding so they are only being used for rooms that were likely to go empty anyway.

 

[disneygrandma]

In California, we can use our DVC points to book a room at the GC hotel if villas are not available at VGC. (This is done without a fee.) In order not to overload the DVC system, we would be happy to book rooms at the WDW resort hotels. This would be keeping more of the rooms full, more money being spent in the gift shops, more money spent on dining, and park tickets. The amount of DVC points required would probably not be a good value, but at least we would be getting something.

Right now our family is torn about the upcoming Memorial Day trip. Yes, UO is closed until at least June 1st, but one part of the family is saying there might be a possibility that WDW will be open to the limited number of guests that held on to their May reservations. Would we feel comfortable going to WDW in 45 days? Part of our family is not sure. However, I wish Disney would give us more info than they are. If they would say WDW is closed until at least May 31st, then we would cancel our current reservations.

DVC has us plan and book our rooms at 11 mos ahead of time to get our favorite rooms. Disney has us book our favorite TS restaurants at 180 days. Disney has us book our FP's at 60 days to ease our wait times. And yet now, they can't tell us 45 days ahead of time if they will even be open? We have a banking deadline in 20 days, will DVC tell us before then if they will be opening by Memorial Day? By June 1st? If they won't be open, then please tell us so.

Please don't take this to mean that I'm asking for any special exceptions for just our family. "WE" is meaning all of the other DVC families who are in the same boat that we are.

 

[tjkraz]

Isn’t the fair and proper solution then to make everyone forfeit however many months worth of points that the resorts are closed for? EG if they’re closed for 4 months someone with 120 points gives up 40 points?

It’s not quite that straightforward because points are not evenly distributed across the calendar. And it may not be necessary to wipe out the full number of points which correspond to nights lost—there is fluidity built into the system.

I wouldn’t rule out this possibility entirely. Though depending on the extent of the damage, I think there are better solutions available.

I haven't posted much in the past week because of exactly this. I have a quiet consolation in knowing that the lawyers are going to have a field day with this when the suits finally get filed. I'm going to have a great deal of satisfaction in knowing that, "I told you so." once everybody finally has to concede that borrowing and banking were the balance in the system and that DVCM unilaterally broke the system by allowing borrowed points to be returned.

I’m not a lawyer, but I’m not convinced that banked points would be given equal legal status with the returned borrowed points. Banked points were available for use for up to 24 months before being unexpectedly lost late in that lifespan. Borrowed points are from a future period which hasn’t even reached yet.

As for what “broke the system”, that was Covid. DVC has the unpleasant task of trying to mitigate the damage.

HOPEFULLY things will begin to reopen by June and DVC‘s calculations will show that there’s enough wiggle room to return some of these lost points. Or offer some other form of compensation. It’s a little early to start talking about lawsuits until the endgame is clear.

 

[Sammie]

Pretty sure, FAIR and PANDEMIC is an oxymoron. Many will not be satisfied with what DVC can or will do. I do agree with WilsonFlyer, that they made a mistake in making any changes in the rules to begin with. I knew this was not going to be over for months, and I would have thought DVC would have been able to foresee that too.
For me personally. I lost a dear friend from COVID and have spent 14 days in hell of quarantine due to a family member having it. At this point I could care less if I lose all my points for this year or even if we go.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

And yet now, they can't tell us 45 days ahead of time if they will even be open?

Nope, they cannot. They are not just being jerks. They do not know if it will be safe, what the status of the supply chain will be, if there will be state or national rules against it.

They cannot.

I get that you don't like the uncertainty, but Disney isn't able to say something certain.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

I'll venture a guess...45 days....NO. JUNE 1 is a prayer right now. The mayor of orange county said pretty much june .

 

[dismedvc]

Not entirely accurate. Each resort have the same UY’s available February, March, April, June, August, September, October and December. Some resorts have more February points and other and others again have more October points than others.

You can see the split here:https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/own...ear-distribution-charts-updated-february-2018

Due to the timing, February and March UYs are coming out ahead. (Any banked points from their 2018 UY had to be used before the 1st or 2nd month of 2020, which was before the parks closed. They used their 2019 points before the 1st or 2nd month of 2020, or banked them. Their 2020 points are good through the 1st or 2nd month of 2021 so they have a long window to either use them or bank them. If they borrowed points from their 2022 UY those have now been returned, and those of us with other UYs (many of who will "lose points" if nothing else is done) will have to compete against those returned borrowed points in the future)

Whatever, Disney/DVCM decides to do, I think they need to share the pain across all UYs and avoid having members with certain UYs avoid almost any pain, while members with other UYs bear the bulk of the pain.

ETA: I think it would be unfair if members who happen to have February or March UYs do not to bear a proportional share of the pain in whatever solution Disney/DVC comes up with just because they happen to have been assigned, or chose to have those particular UYs

I went to the link you posted. I was shocked that almost 50% (47.2% to be exact) of the points at BLT (where we own with an August UY) are in the February and March UYs.

 

[stephk1981]

@Sammie Agreed, if points are lost, they are....lives are being lost that's definitely what matters. I'm sorry about your friend. Good thoughts for a hopefully speedy recovery for your loved one.

 

[TraderSamWDW]

ETA: I think most of us who bought direct did not have a choice in what UY we were assigned. It was whatever UY DVC was selling at the time we purchased. That is why I think it would be unfair if members who happen to have February or March UYs (for the most part through random chance) do not to bear a proportional share of the pain in whatever solution Disney/DVC comes up with.

You can absolutely specify a UY when buying direct. Whether or not you do so is a different story. Many people do not know any better and dont, but they could have.
Every post on here about buying DVC says UNDERSTAND UY

 

[dismedvc]

You can absolutely specify a UY when buying direct. Whether or not you do so is a different story. Many people do not know any better and dont, but they could have.
Every post on here about buying DVC says UNDERSTAND UY

I could have phrased that part better. We did get the UY we wanted to minimize the potential to lose points. We did not however factor in that 10+ years later it would have been better to have a February or March UY because of a worldwide pandemic.

Since that part my ETA evidently distracted you from the main point I was trying to make, I have now deleted that part of my ETA and rephrased the other part.

However, I do agree with you that many people who purchase direct do not consider UY, and that probably includes a lot of the nearly 50% of BLT owners who ended up with the now favorable February or March UYs.

 

[LAX]

We did get the UY we wanted to minimize the potential to lose points. We did not however factor in that 10+ years later it would have been better to have a February or March UY because of a worldwide pandemic.
Since that part my ETA evidently distracted you from the main point I was trying to make, I have now deleted that part.

You probably didn't factor in another possible global pandemic 20 years from now either. Which UY would be better to have then?

LAX

 

[dismedvc]

You probably didn't factor in another possible global pandemic 20 years from now either. Which UY would be better to have then?

LAX

Obviously unknowable, which is why my main point was that whatever solution Disney/DVCM comes up with it should have all members from all UYs share the pain.

 

[LAX]

Obviously unknowable, which is why my main point was that whatever solution Disney/DVCM comes up with it should have all members from all UYs share the pain.

You are still missing the point (or perhaps just ignoring it). Read post#10 upthread. The pandemic is essentially an act of God that is out of anyone's control. It could have easily affected me as it did you (actually, it has but just not related to DVC). If I were in your shoes, I won't be clamoring for "sharing the pain." You obviously have a completely different view on this and that's your right, I supposed.

LAX