X-Pass attraction list

[TLSnell1981]

80% of the year you can walk into any of those attractions without a wait. Who in their right mind would actually PAY to schedule them?

We will be paying for the privilege to schedule them, it doesn't matter if you want to "actually" ride them. Disney Give A Day, Get a Day had a FP option, where you could choose X number of FP from each group. I'm guessing, X-Pass will be similar.

 

[js]

Over on the Jim Hill Media website, they have a list of the "experiences" that will be part of the X-Pass program.

I hear that Jim Hill is "Hit or Miss" on a lot of his news but it's interesting to read any way.

LINK

2 things to note.

1. There will be more X-Pass attractions then current FP attractions.
2. X-pass is expected to slightly increase the wait time in standby.

OMG, how did I miss this? I'm on here all the time.
What the heck is XPass and who gets on?
Thanks!

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

OMG, how did I miss this? I'm on here all the time.
What the heck is XPass and who gets on?
Thanks!

I had just posted this on the late FP enforcement thread. I'll post it here too.

Here are a few snapshots of what Xpass could look like from Dizfanatic.com, they were granted exclusive access and were the first to break this story. Here is a link to the fabulous feature article they did on xPass with tons of info and pictures. Please check it out, it's worth a read and offers tremendous insight about xpass. --->HERE

There are so many different stories out there about XPass, and sadly most of the rumors I've heard are frightening and just plain scary. I don't believe there will be two systems, I think Xpass will either replace or enhance fastpass. I think basic access to Xpass for rides will remain free and available to everyone, while the bracelets will be optional and offered at a premium -- and the prime viewing areas for parades and shows will be offered at a premium to concierge guests only.

Also, the bracelets are supposed to act as our room keys, so Disney will have to change out all of the hotel room locks. This is just an educated guess on my part,but I still think we are a year or two away from seeing Xpass. Disney is probably aiming to have this ready for the Fantasyland unveiling. I think the technology is "too grand" to offer to a select few. If you follow trends, it appears that Disney is aiming for mass appeal, as with the One Disney concept, while offering a little extra for the niche and exclusive markets as we've already seen with free dining. But again, this is just an educated guess on my part we don't have anything official as yet.

 

[KellyNY]

I think that a guest should not have access to both the existing Fastpass and the new Xpass at the same time using the same ticket card. This is accomplished by requiring the guest to swipe his ticket inside the park to receive the Xpass privileges. Doing that would deny access to Fastpass, at least for an hour or two for each Xpass reserved. Meanwhile, fetching a Fastpass should block the ability to retrieve Xpass reservations.

Not sure I understand what you mean. If I have Xpass reservation for 3pm-4pm, I should be able to get FP for 2PM- 3PM, Xpass will not block it, unless and I just guessing, return time will be same like any of my Xpass reservations.

 

[doconeill]

Not sure I understand what you mean. If I have Xpass reservation for 3pm-4pm, I should be able to get FP for 2PM- 3PM, Xpass will not block it, unless and I just guessing, return time will be same like any of my Xpass reservations.

ssCM appears to simply be providing an opinion...we don't know how xPASS and FP will interact with each other, if at all. xPASS will almost certainly have limitations (unlike, say, Universal's resort version of Express Plus), and it is conceivable that it could be linked to FP in such a way that by reserving your time in advance via xPASS, you can't then get a FP for that attraction within a certain amount of time of the xPASS, limiting how much you'd be able to "monopolize" the attraction during a certain period. This would benefit the standby guests (plus leave more FPs available to other guests). It may be a choice an xPASS user has to make - for the benefit of deciding when you'll ride, you'll have to give up something.

Another limitation might be that although you might have a choice of 10-12 "experiences" with your xPASS, you can only use it on, say, 4.

If they are somehow going to limit the effective wait time impact as per the JHM article, they would seem to need to place limits.

 

[pigletto]

Finally - I won't have to wait in line for "Journey into Imagination with Figment" with this new system.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Consider the source. Jim Hill is far from reliable.

 

[KellyNY]

Consider the source. Jim Hill is far from reliable.

And when did it stop us from talking?

 

[Colleen27]

I could see this being either really spectacular or an epic failure without much chance of middle ground, but I'll give Disney enough credit to reserve judgment until we actually know how it'll be implemented. And I have to admit the stuff on the Dizfanatic.com page makes it look pretty dang cool. If the roll out looks like the rumors and concept art they have posted I could see myself paying for it or choosing a deluxe over our usual habit of two cheaper rooms (if it does turn out to be an inclusion with deluxe stays) to get it.

 

[umichigan10]

I don't mind paying for shorter lines.

I mind the reservations. I don't want to have to keep 12 appointments a day. That's crazy.

And are they going to start charging us for not showing up to ride stuff - like they are now charging if we don't show up to eat stuff?

Ugh.

I disagree with you about paying for shorter lines but that's not the point I'm trying to get across.

What I mean is the current system is already overwhelming enough for some newbies (why is my window two hours from now? when can I get another? Can I use it after the end time because a bus driver told me that). But now by making a home reservation system that you have to pay for (which is somewhat irrelevant to the point I'm trying to get across) makes it all the more confusing.

To put this in more larger perspective I'll say this: how many newbies don't know about advanced ADRs? Now multiply that a couple of hundred times.

 

[raidermatt]

If they are decreasing the # of FPs available, I can see this having a negligible impact on standby times.

True, but that's a key point left out by Jim. He doesn't mention decreased FPs being a reason why the increase is only estimated to be 1-8 minutes, only that xpass itself will only change the times 1-8 minutes.

If there are going to be fewer FPs, that brings up the question of whether that was accurately factored into the equation.

It just doesn't seem to add up.

Really, what I'm saying is that when Disney gets this deep into a project, there aren't going to be any numbers that come out indicating it was a mistake or won't be a net benefit. The numbers could turn out to be accurate, I just consider them highly suspect, if they are indeed even truly from Disney.

 

[raidermatt]

I agree that we don't have enough info yet to judge this in its entirety.

But when I hear things like "if you don't like you can just do what you did before", I cringe. Disney is spending a LOT of money on this system. They are going to expect a significant return on their investment. This means 1, it will need to have a price tag associated with it, and 2, it will need to provide a strong benefit to justify that price tag.

This mean xpass users are going to have to have it a lot better than the rest of the guests, and that means everybody else is going to be worse off. Fewer FPs available, longer standby lines, etc. The only real question is how big the impact will be. So I don't think it's fair to just say "if you don't like it don't use it". Those guests are going to be negatively impacted and therefore have a right to express their displeasure.

At least that's how I see it.

 

[eliza61]

Over on the Jim Hill Media website, they have a list of the "experiences" that will be part of the X-Pass program.

I hear that Jim Hill is "Hit or Miss" on a lot of his news but it's interesting to read any way.

LINK

2 things to note.

1. There will be more X-Pass attractions then current FP attractions.
2. X-pass is expected to slightly increase the wait time in standby.

Thanks for the info. very interesting.
I do hope the security "safeguards" are better than the ones they supposedly have in place to prevent people from making multi adr's.

It will be very interesting to see how they "market" this. will it be available to everyone? I'm sure there will be a upcharge, can't imagine them doing this for free.
It's a few years down the road so nothing to really get upset about but I will say I'm glad I have the memories of previous trips... I've been cutting back on my trips for various reasons and can't imagine us (my family) being a fan of this.
We'll see. LOL. some days I really do miss the Eisner years.

 

[Squidgyness]

I agree that we don't have enough info yet to judge this in its entirety.

But when I hear things like "if you don't like you can just do what you did before", I cringe. Disney is spending a LOT of money on this system. They are going to expect a significant return on their investment. This means 1, it will need to have a price tag associated with it, and 2, it will need to provide a strong benefit to justify that price tag.

This mean xpass users are going to have to have it a lot better than the rest of the guests, and that means everybody else is going to be worse off. Fewer FPs available, longer standby lines, etc. The only real question is how big the impact will be. So I don't think it's fair to just say "if you don't like it don't use it". Those guests are going to be negatively impacted and therefore have a right to express their displeasure.

At least that's how I see it.

+1000.

I am aware I am a minority on these boards. Always stay offsite, hence no ADR's (Do eat onsite during the day though) and little in depth planning. I understand that others have more of a stake in this, but that doesn't change the fact I am NOT happy about this.

I understand the benefits but for me it has major issues...
1) Longer lines, I don't trust those estimates one inch, for one thing there can be wild variations in crowd numbers based on weather and time of year, and I dont think they have factored this in adequately. I would estimate 10-15mins increase in peak season for major attractions. That is just opinion however.
2) Decreased FP numbers = chaos imo.
3) Even more competition for non-xpass/fastpass line spots/show spots = even more hopping/jumping/abuse of the normal system (Guest behaviour fault, not really Disney, but an issue nontheless.)
4) I suspect they will bump other prices. Suspect. Especially merch/park tickets. In the long run this new system might pay off, but given the amounts involved, I would expect them to be in a hurry to recoup that investment, something I can't see happening if it isnt widely adopted, hence the need for increased prices elsewhere.

Honestly, whilst I appreciate that others stay onsite and pay more into disney, I feel the need to vent about this. It isn't up my street at all...

We will just have to wait for the facts. I can't help but think however that this will be a PR and financial disaster.

 

[exwdwcm]

This is ridiculous.

Now we have to have ride appointments and food appointments and show appointments!

Not only is this turning into more work than fun, how are we supposed to remember all this crap? I have to take all the times with me to the parks every day?

"No, kids, sorry, we can't stop and look at ducks - it's our apppointed time for JIYI. Plus, if we don't get to JIYI right now, we'll miss our FP time for Soarin. We have to be in Mexico at exatcly 12:15 to eat!! No ducks!"

Seriously?

Experience Nazis.

LOL! I broke out laughing with this one. I agree.....and while you can choose NOT to participate, if it means the longer lines, then BOO! And I am a certified type A, commando planner. But even this sounds like overkill to me. I already cringe having to book one sit down ADR a day or something like Pirates League that we have to manage our day around......now enforcing FP times makes that harder for us (yes, we would hoard them and use later!). This just sounds a little too much for me, but I'll reserve final judgment for later when it is launched I guess. Would really take the spontaneity out of it, and that is a LOT of the magic of disney, stopping to look at the ducks, stopping to watch the Jammitors or PUSH or just people watch on a bench. Maybe we should schedule that too? What about bathroom breaks!???

Honestly I know one of the biggest jabs against the current fp system is it's "unfair" and that some newbies are unaware of it's existence.

So having to book what rides you're going to do six months in advance online and pay an exuberant amount of money is going to help matters? Not very likely my friends.

I agree.........I still do this day get other guests giving me the evil eye or asking me why I am cutting in line when I am in the FP queue walking past them. So many guests don't know about FP as it is. Even fewer will know about X-Pass or understand how it works, since it is going to be so much more sophisticated than FP. I see a few benefiting, but a lot of the masses are simply not going to know about it or care to use it unless it is heavily promoted and marketed.

 

[supersuperwendy]

I wonder how far in advance we'd be reserving our rides? I really don't want to ride BTMR in the pouring rain...is there going to be a mother nature app so we can book the correct weather to coordinate?

 

[kaligal]

I disagree with you about paying for shorter lines but that's not the point I'm trying to get across.

What I mean is the current system is already overwhelming enough for some newbies (why is my window two hours from now? when can I get another? Can I use it after the end time because a bus driver told me that). But now by making a home reservation system that you have to pay for (which is somewhat irrelevant to the point I'm trying to get across) makes it all the more confusing.

To put this in more larger perspective I'll say this: how many newbies don't know about advanced ADRs? Now multiply that a couple of hundred times.

Maybe this will work out nicely. And maybe Disney will set it up so everyone is happy.

But normal, non-Disney freak people should be able to go and not be penalized. They already have the No ADR disappointment, the "Why is the park already full when it just opened?" EMH confusion and the "What? Fastpass? No, I don't want to pay for that!" thing going on.

Would really take the spontaneity out of it, and that is a LOT of the magic of disney, stopping to look at the ducks, stopping to watch the Jammitors or PUSH or just people watch on a bench. Maybe we should schedule that too? What about bathroom breaks!???

Don't give them any ideas.

 

[supersuperwendy]

I was just thinking more about xpass...

Maybe it could work out nicely? I wonder how the whole ride reserving process will work? If I was going in the summer months it would be great to book all evening rides and maybe late emh rides. That way we could sleep in, maybe go to a water park, and tour the parks at night when it's cool. Or in the cooler months book a lot of morning attractions and use the evening for nice relaxing dinners. I think once I have a better understanding of how it works I may become a fan of it!

 

[nytimez]

Maybe this will work out nicely. And maybe Disney will set it up so everyone is happy.

But normal, non-Disney freak people should be able to go and not be penalized. They already have the No ADR disappointment, the "Why is the park already full when it just opened?" EMH confusion and the "What? Fastpass? No, I don't want to pay for that!" thing going on.

 

[TLSnell1981]

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But when I hear things like "if you don't like you can just do what you did before", I cringe. Disney is spending a LOT of money on this system. They are going to expect a significant return on their investment. This means 1, it will need to have a price tag associated with it, and 2, it will need to provide a strong benefit to justify that price tag.

This mean xpass users are going to have to have it a lot better than the rest of the guests, and that means everybody else is going to be worse off. Fewer FPs available, longer standby lines, etc. The only real question is how big the impact will be. So I don't think it's fair to just say "if you don't like it don't use it". Those guests are going to be negatively impacted and therefore have a right to express their displeasure.

At least that's how I see it.

Yep! That's how I see it....and Iger is only concerned with the bottom line.