WWE'S Chris Benoit and his family found dead!

[PrincessTiff]

I never said it was a sport, it's definitely NOT a sport. However a great % of the wrestlers have great athleticism and take greater risks than virtually all pro athletes (boxers and MMA perhaps withstanding).

Try being a gymnast, then come back and tell me that.

YAGEing is that what I did? Oh well, maybe it is. Cool!

So now I'm YAGEing back in! It's a free country.

So funny, some things never ever ever change. Can I ask you a question that I've always wondered anyway, are you a man or a women? Seriously.

You sure are getting quite worked up over this.

What does it matter if cardaway is a man or a woman?

 

[JadenLayne]

I am a fan of WWE, not nearly so much as I used to be and I was never ever a fan of Chris Benoit. Don't get me wrong I didn't dislike him, he just wasn't one of the ones I liked to watch. I do appreciate the wrestlers as people because it takes alot to put yourself out there and risk life and limb by doing the moves they do. As for Chris Benoit as a wrestler he was very good at what he did. The comedian that killed his wife was also good at what he did. I feel I can honestly say that and not feel bad about it.

That being said I hope both of them rot in hadies for what they did!

I think people who were big fans are hurt. In a way they feel betrayed by someone they respected. It's hard for them to swallow because who they thought Chris Benoit was is obviously not who he was. I hope that makes sense. I don't think anyone is honoring him anymore, they are just trying to understand. I think this is probably the same way most of the WWE feel.

Again though the most important thing is the family of those left behind and how preventative measures can be taken to stop it from happening again.

 

[The_Horned_King]

It most certainly does.

Why pay tribute to a murderer just because he was "famous"? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Not to defend that point as it's their feeling and not mine....

But the WWE DID NOT KNOW at the time of the tribute that he had killed anyone!
If you read back a few post you will see that the wwe was contacted about 4:00 and told he and his family were dead and the house was a major crime scene..but that is all they were told. The show started at 8:00which ment they had to decide quick...at 5:00 the decided to cancle the live even and make it a tribute.

You will also know that as of today(which I posted earlier also) The wwe has pulled all tributes for him off thier website and on tonights ECW broadcast(the wwe's tuesday show) Vince made a statement that due to the information they now have they will not talk about or show footage of Chris Benoint again.

 

[Ticket Man]

Yes I read the WWE's press release where they say he tested negative on their "DRUG" TEST, they did not say what that tested for.

But you see I also bolded part of the SI article, WWE allows STERIOD USE if you have a prescription while most real sports make no such exemption.

If you read the entire SI article it was a ANTI-AGING CLINIC that was raided too, for selling PRESCRIBED steroids.

The SI article is irrelevant because it's period of study was long before the WWE implemented it's wellness policy. Some of the guys implicated were obviously drugged up and have failed tests after the policy was instituted (Orton), whereas others like Edge used a lawful and rational prescription to aid in healing of spinal fusion surgery.

Steroids and recreational drugs are screened for in the test. WWE only tests active wrestlers, meaning if someone is injured and taking a leave of absence they can take whatever they want as long as it's not in their system at the next random test. HGH is not tested for, and I do not believe tests can detect this anyhow. WWE is 24/7 365 as opposed to other sports with off seasons.

 

[The_Horned_King]

Try being a gymnast, then come back and tell me that.

I Have done that(was a gymnist for a while actually)..and being a wrestling promoter, I can tell you my wrestlers take greater risk then any gymnist would ever consider doing. Contraty to popular belief those rings hurt they are just wood and steel (with one spring) if that spring is tight it's just like landing ont he concrete. I also don't rememebr the last tiem I say a Gymnist do a 450 degree slip and land on thier knees/elbows.


But that is not what this thread is about....sorry to get off topic.

 

[Bob Slydell]

This is completely untrue. By ALL accounts he is one of the most skilled mat tacticians in pro-wrestling history. His uncanny technical skill was the reason he was scripted to be at the level he was at, he never won the crowd over with his mic skills, instead they respected him because he was the most talented wrestler of the past 20 years other than perhaps Bret Hart.

I never said he wasn't talented, wasn't an athlete and wasn't extremely skilled. But if the championships he won weren't scripted, he wouldn't have had a "great career". I'm not bashing wrestling (hell, I even watch it from time to time), but make no mistake -- there's a reason why they coined the phrase "sports entertainment"

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

Regarding rage and would he have tied his wife up prior to strangling her if it was truly and act of rage - how do we know that he tied her up before he killed her? With all the time that passed between her death and his suicide, he may have tried making it look like an intruder had done it by trying to recreate a crime scene.

To me, reading that he first told people his wife and son were sick and then this.. it just seems like he was trying to come up with reasons as to why the died. Then when he realized it wouldn't work or when he came to his senses (if it was some drug enduced rage), he took his own life.

But then again all those episodes of CSI my wife watches might be wearing off on me.

 

[declansdad]

The big difference is in the outcomes. When it comes to baseball, football,a and the like, the winners are determined by the competition, not predetermined by promoters.

Wrestling like you see in the Olympics is a competitive sport. WWE is entertainment with storylines and scripts, right down to who is going to win. I'm not discounting the athleticism of the wrestlers. Yes, they are athletic and do exhibit an amount of skill to perform the moves they do, but in the end WWE is more entertainment than anything. In fact, isn't that what the E in WWE stands for?

Bolding mine.

Yes and that is why it is called sports entertainment.

 

[cardaway]

Regarding rage and would he have tied his wife up prior to strangling her if it was truly and act of rage - how do we know that he tied her up before he killed her? With all the time that passed between her death and his suicide, he may have tried making it look like an intruder had done it by trying to recreate a crime scene.

To me, reading that he first told people his wife and son were sick and then this.. it just seems like he was trying to come up with reasons as to why the died. Then when he realized it wouldn't work or when he came to his senses (if it was some drug enduced rage), he took his own life.

But then again all those episodes of CSI my wife watches might be wearing off on me.

 

[cardaway]

Bolding mine.

Yes and that is why it is called sports entertainment.

No, Vince is why it's called sports entertainment. The only thing that has changed in wrestling from the days before TV it the sick story lines and the marketing. Never was sports, always was entertainment.

The real wrestlers involved stopped being sports stars the day they joined the acting union.

 

[RickinNYC]

Without bothering to discuss whether professional wrestling is a sport or not, let's focus on the topic at hand: Benoit. He is a murderer, there's not much more you can look at beyond that. He brutally murdered his own wife and child. I find it downright shocking that anyone would defend his actions, let alone idolize him after they've done something so friggin' crazy.

I don't respect his career. I don't respect what he's done in life. I don't respect him whatsoever. The very idea of airing any kind of tribute episode on TV absolutely and completely disgusts me.

The man is a murderer. I don't give a rat's behind about anything else he did in his entire life, whether career or otherwise. He's a murderer.

ETA: To use steriod use as an explanation to his act of rage is a total cop out. He knew what he was doing and completely ignored the risks. If his rage was indeed fueled by over use of ILLEGAL steroids, that does NOT allow any one any allowance.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

Regarding rage and would he have tied his wife up prior to strangling her if it was truly and act of rage - how do we know that he tied her up before he killed her? With all the time that passed between her death and his suicide, he may have tried making it look like an intruder had done it by trying to recreate a crime scene.

To me, reading that he first told people his wife and son were sick and then this.. it just seems like he was trying to come up with reasons as to why the died. Then when he realized it wouldn't work or when he came to his senses (if it was some drug enduced rage), he took his own life.

But then again all those episodes of CSI my wife watches might be wearing off on me.

That's a very good theory. The CSI crew would be proud of you.

 

[debster812]

What kind of struggle could she possibly put up against him if he was in a rage?

Or to take it the other way, if he was 'raging' she may have just fully cooperated with what he wanted in the hopes that he would calm down, and NOT harm their son.

 

[declansdad]

Without bothering to discuss whether professional wrestling is a sport or not, let's focus on the topic at hand: Benoit. He is a murderer, there's not much more you can look at beyond that. He brutally murdered his own wife and child. I find it downright shocking that anyone would defend his actions, let alone idolize him after they've done something so friggin' crazy.

I don't respect his career. I don't respect what he's done in life. I don't respect him whatsoever. The very idea of airing any kind of tribute episode on TV absolutely and completely disgusts me.

The man is a murderer. I don't give a rat's behind about anything else he did in his entire life, whether career or otherwise. He's a murderer.

ETA: To use steriod use as an explanation to his act of rage is a total cop out. He knew what he was doing and completely ignored the risks. If his rage was indeed fueled by over use of ILLEGAL steroids, that does NOT allow any one any allowance.

You are correct in saying that arguing about the definition of sport is fruitless. Obviously there are different definitions.

Once again though, it needs to be pointed out that at the time of the tribute show, the WWE didn't know that it was a murder-suicide. Therefore there was no reason for them not to do a show like they did.

Also, I can't recall any post in here defending his actions. I think everyone agrees that murdering someone is wrong. What many posters have tried to defend is his career. There is a huge difference between his career and his personal life and the two can be separated. Chris Benoit was an excellent wrestler and that can never be taken away from him. Perhaps in the coming months we will find out that he was a terrible father and husband but that is still separate from his career.

I also don't think that anyone has used Roid Rage as an excuse and as a reason to validate his actions. What I think many people are trying to do is make some sense as to why he would do this.

 

[IwasatWDWforamonth]

Regarding rage and would he have tied his wife up prior to strangling her if it was truly and act of rage - how do we know that he tied her up before he killed her? With all the time that passed between her death and his suicide, he may have tried making it look like an intruder had done it by trying to recreate a crime scene.

To me, reading that he first told people his wife and son were sick and then this.. it just seems like he was trying to come up with reasons as to why the died. Then when he realized it wouldn't work or when he came to his senses (if it was some drug enduced rage), he took his own life.

But then again all those episodes of CSI my wife watches might be wearing off on me.

I agree,

 

[tiggersmom2]

OH. MY. FREAKING. GOD!!

A newsbreak just came on an Atlanta station - This MONSTER, this piece of human garbage killed his son in a wrestling CHOKE HOLD!! The little boy also had "tracks" all over his arm where he had been shot up with anabolic steroids.

May God hold that child close.

 

[Bob Slydell]

OH. MY. FREAKING. GOD!!

A newsbreak just came on an Atlanta station - This MONSTER, this piece of human garbage killed his son in a wrestling CHOKE HOLD!! The little boy also had "tracks" all over his arm where he had been shot up with anabolic steroids.

May God hold that child close.

 

[sorcerormickey]

OH. MY. FREAKING. GOD!!

A newsbreak just came on an Atlanta station - This MONSTER, this piece of human garbage killed his son in a wrestling CHOKE HOLD!! The little boy also had "tracks" all over his arm where he had been shot up with anabolic steroids.

May God hold that child close.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

OH. MY. FREAKING. GOD!!

A newsbreak just came on an Atlanta station - This MONSTER, this piece of human garbage killed his son in a wrestling CHOKE HOLD!! The little boy also had "tracks" all over his arm where he had been shot up with anabolic steroids.

May God hold that child close.

I'll say it again... I truly hope he is burning in hell right now.

 

[cardaway]

That sure answers all those doubts about seroids being involved.