Wow! Kobe Bryant criminal case dropped!

[Pete's Mom]

Regardless, I will always see him as a pig for cheating on his wife....

 

[minniepumpernickel]

I think that she was badgered and exploited so much by the system, and the press that she gave up! I personally find that very disturbing!

 

[EsmeraldaX]

Originally posted by Pete's Mom
Regardless, I will always see him as a pig for cheating on his wife....

Me too.

 

[Disney Doll]

I agree that I can't say I think Kobe is a man of high morals,and if I was Mrs.Bryant, he wouldn't be in my life too long either! But having a lousy set of morals doesn't make you a rapist.

Women still have personal responsibility for their behavior. If you willingly go to a man's room with the intention of "just wanting a kiss", and then cry "rape"...it weakens your story. Especially when the man is a multi-gazillionaire and you are not! Maybe she was raped, but if she had not put herself in that situation in the first place, there wouldn't have been a problem. Like it or not, it makes you look like a gold-digger. And quite frankly, these kind of cases always make it worse for other women who truly are raped.

I am not defending Kobe for his poor morals, but conversely, the girl who willingly went to a married man's room for "a kiss" isn't exactly the epitome of moral behavior, now is she? Comment on bad morals if you want, but they aren't a crime.

 

[Pongo69]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
I think that she was badgered and exploited so much by the system, and the press that she gave up! I personally find that very disturbing!

No I believe she exploited herself when she

1. Went from one sexual partner to another without taking the time cleanse herself and change her undies.

2. Partying after the so called rape and bragging about it while some boy is licking her belly at a party.

3. Being a huge Liar

Now say what you want, but I believe it's a triflin nasty woman who chose to go from one partner to another and another without taking a "BATH"

This girl has serious issues.

 

[MHopkins2]

Originally posted by LisaSt
LOL what a dumb woman she was.

Tell you what. I won't "LOL" about the very serious issue of men being falsely accused of rape if you won't LOL about the very serious issue of the possible rape itself. (None of us were there, so no matter what we think the probability of truth is, we don't and will never know for sure.)

 

[LisaSt]

I think Kobe's statement was more to save face with the public than anything else and as it was explained the statement can't be used inthe civil case as agrred to by the woman. She wanted money and her 15 minutes problem is it backfired on her and now she is running with her tail between her legs. Maybe she should have thought about putting something else between her legs beside Kobe that night then she wouldn't be in this situation now.

 

[Pete's Mom]

Originally posted by LisaSt
Maybe she should have thought about putting something else between her legs beside Kobe that night then she wouldn't be in this situation now.

Ah, but you see, it takes two to tango. Kobe should have thought about his wife and family before he committed adultery and HE wouldn't be in this situtation now.

 

[luvmk]

I don't put too much into the apology. Of course, he didn't make it before the case was dropped. There was no way his attorney was going to let him come out with an apology before they went to trial. I was also watching the news this morning, either CNBC or MSNBC and the comment was made that the apology was agreed by both sides. I took it to mean that when the case was dismissed, both sides agreed that Kobe would make a public apology. I also wouldn't be surprised if he had "help" in formulating the wording. Our local paper wrote that the apology cannot be used in the civil hearing, if it comes to that.

I'm not at all surprised the case has been dismissed. All the information that was coming out made it seem like the prosecution had an uphill battle.


Rachel

 

[Boo]

What I think is really sad is that it was the girl who was the one really put "on trial". I think this case sets terrible, horrible consequences for any women who is raped wanting to bring her attacker to justice. I have no idea what really happened between Kobe and that girl- only they do. Maybe she was just star struck when he invited her to his room. Maybe she was a gold digger who saw dollars signs. Maybe she was just looking to have some fun with a celeb but then chickened out with going through with it when push came to shove. All I do know is that this whole thing is a GIANT stepback for women legally pursuring rape cases. They become the ones who's character gets ripped apart. Would anyone want their ENTIRE sexual history on display for America? So what if she is a slut. Even a crack prostitute doesn't deserve to be raped. Are we setting up a caste system where only "decent" women have the right to accuse someone of rape? And that bull posted earlier about how she asked for it b/c she went to his room. Give me a break. Maybe she DID ask for IT, and went to his room and then changed her mind. Does that give men a license to rape?

 

[cats7494]

None of us have any idea of what went on in that room....Maybe she is lying maybe she is telling the truth....

Maybe she has "issues" as mentioned in this thread...but once again...none of us were in that room...so how do you know what happened?

It is all a sad story...if it was rape - then it is a travesty that a rapist was let go.
If it was not rape - then it is awful that Kobe would cheat on his wife ..and that girl spread lies about a rape.

Either way you see this - it is quite sad.

 

[POOH&PIGLET]

Originally posted by Disney Doll
Women still have personal responsibility for their behavior. If you willingly go to a man's room with the intention of "just wanting a kiss", and then cry "rape"...it weakens your story. Especially when the man is a multi-gazillionaire and you are not! Maybe she was raped, but if she had not put herself in that situation in the first place, there wouldn't have been a problem. Like it or not, it makes you look like a gold-digger. And quite frankly, these kind of cases always make it worse for other women who truly are raped.

I am not defending Kobe for his poor morals, but conversely, the girl who willingly went to a married man's room for "a kiss" isn't exactly the epitome of moral behavior, now is she? Comment on bad morals if you want, but they aren't a crime.

This is why women make lousy jurors in rape cases!

 

[browneyes]

Originally posted by Boo
What I think is really sad is that it was the girl who was the one really put "on trial". I think this case sets terrible, horrible consequences for any women who is raped wanting to bring her attacker to justice. I have no idea what really happened between Kobe and that girl- only they do. Maybe she was just star struck when he invited her to his room. Maybe she was a gold digger who saw dollars signs. Maybe she was just looking to have some fun with a celeb but then chickened out with going through with it when push came to shove. All I do know is that this whole thing is a GIANT stepback for women legally pursuring rape cases. They become the ones who's character gets ripped apart. Would anyone want their ENTIRE sexual history on display for America? So what if she is a slut. Even a crack prostitute doesn't deserve to be raped. Are we setting up a caste system where only "decent" women have the right to accuse someone of rape? And that bull posted earlier about how she asked for it b/c she went to his room. Give me a break. Maybe she DID ask for IT, and went to his room and then changed her mind. Does that give men a license to rape?

I agree with 100% of what you posted, Boo. It's like the old saying: There are 3 parts to every story like this. His version, her version, and the truth. It does put women who are legally pursuing, or thinking of legally pursuing rape cases a giant step back.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Pongo69
No I believe she exploited herself when she

1. Went from one sexual partner to another without taking the time cleanse herself and change her undies.

2. Partying after the so called rape and bragging about it while some boy is licking her belly at a party.

3. Being a huge Liar

Now say what you want, but I believe it's a triflin nasty woman who chose to go from one partner to another and another without taking a "BATH"

This girl has serious issues.

Eek, from what I have been following the underwear thing hadn't been proven.

Isn't all of the other stuff considered heresay also? I'm amazed at the number of women who are so quick to condemn this woman. Now wonder a lot of women still don't report rapes!

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Boo
What I think is really sad is that it was the girl who was the one really put "on trial". I think this case sets terrible, horrible consequences for any women who is raped wanting to bring her attacker to justice. I have no idea what really happened between Kobe and that girl- only they do. Maybe she was just star struck when he invited her to his room. Maybe she was a gold digger who saw dollars signs. Maybe she was just looking to have some fun with a celeb but then chickened out with going through with it when push came to shove. All I do know is that this whole thing is a GIANT stepback for women legally pursuring rape cases. They become the ones who's character gets ripped apart. Would anyone want their ENTIRE sexual history on display for America? So what if she is a slut. Even a crack prostitute doesn't deserve to be raped. Are we setting up a caste system where only "decent" women have the right to accuse someone of rape? And that bull posted earlier about how she asked for it b/c she went to his room. Give me a break. Maybe she DID ask for IT, and went to his room and then changed her mind. Does that give men a license to rape?

Her entire sexual history was not going to be on display - just the day before and the day after the alleged rape. And I find that to be perfectly reasonable. If she is going to claim that Kobe Bryant injured her during the rape, then I think it is completely relevant to bring up that she had sex just before and just after the alleged attack, since it could have been any of the three encounters that caused the injuries.

And of course going to a man's room doesn't give him a license to rape. But it certainly does place one unnecessarily in a situation that could lead to unfortunate events.

And I also would like to see the laws changed so that alleged rape victims must have their names in the public forum. If the accused has to be identified, the alleged victim should have to be identified as well.

 

[Boo]

And I also would like to see the laws changed so that alleged rape victims must have their names in the public forum. If the accused has to be identified, the alleged victim should have to be identified as well.

Well that outta be the nail in the coffin for a women ever coming forward to to press charges. I don't have the insight of being able to speak from experience, but I would imagine that being raped is one of the most degrading, humiliating and traumatizing thing someone can endur. To then have your name spashed all over the media (and I'm not talking spotlight celeb cases- just your everyday case of say being attacked in an alley or date rape) would probably be like having to relive the rape over and over. Now you have to not only contend with being a rape survivor, but a victim of gossips and the oh so delicate and compassionate media.

AirForceRocks,
maybe your suggestion is to dissaude someone from accusing another falsely, but I think the negative ramifications of what you are proposing are catastrophic in comparison to saving "an innocent man".

 

[Toby'sFriend]

This is why women make lousy jurors in rape cases!

why? Because they won't vote to convict a man just because a Prosecuter says they should? Because they actually want to think about the evidence put before them?

In this case, there was absolutely no physical evidence to support her claims of rape. In fact, I read an article this morning that claimed the final reason for dropping the case was the Defense discovery of a medical report that stated her physical condition could have just as easily been caused by normal sexual relations as rape.

The jury in this case would have been left with "Who has the most believable story?" to make their decision. My husband asked me a couple of months ago if I could possibly imagine willingly having sex with another guy just HOURS after supposedly being raped. She hadn't even bothered to change into clean underwear yet.

No I'm sorry, I can't. That doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't raped --- just that if I had to weigh one story against another, I would feel obligated to err on the side of caution and not send a man to jail with that set of facts.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Well that outta be the nail in the coffin for a women ever coming forward to to press charges. I don't have the insight of being able to speak from experience, but I would imagine that being raped is one of the most degrading, humiliating and traumatizing thing someone can endur.

Women that have been raped have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, and IMO, when we continue to hide their identities, we perpetuate the myth that they have done something wrong.

To then have your name spashed all over the media (and I'm not talking spotlight celeb cases- just your everyday case of say being attacked in an alley or date rape) would probably be like having to relive the rape over and over. Now you have to not only contend with being a rape survivor, but a victim of gossips and the oh so delicate and compassionate media.

Do you mean the way they do with the accused rapists? Until convicted, the accused man is innocent. Why is it OK to publicize his name and sully his reputation before anything has been decided but it isn't OK to name the woman, who may well not even be a real victim.

AirForceRocks,
maybe your suggestion is to dissaude someone from accusing another falsely, but I think the negative ramifications of what you are proposing are catastrophic in comparison to saving "an innocent man".

No, my suggestion is because I think it is wrong to drag the name of a (legally) innocent man through the mud while shielding a woman that may or may not be telling the truth.

 

[septbride2002]

Give me a break. Maybe she DID ask for IT, and went to his room and then changed her mind. Does that give men a license to rape?

You are right on a lot of point except this one IMO. If she changed her mind mid-way through then that is not rape. That is her changing her mind. You cannot set the precendent that a girl who goes into the room and gets down and dirty with someone and then regrets it, or even midway through thinks this isn't a good idea that it then becomes rape. Her changing her mind IMO is not rape - that is just a bad decision.

~Amanda

 

[Pongo69]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Eek, from what I have been following the underwear thing hadn't been proven.

Isn't all of the other stuff considered heresay also? I'm amazed at the number of women who are so quick to condemn this woman. Now wonder a lot of women still don't report rapes!

So what are you saying the pubic hair that wasn't Kobe's mysteriously appeared in her panties on it's own

As far as condemnation she did that all on her own. I don't care what anyone says if a woman is raped I can't see the alledged victim who most likely would be distraught and traumatized having sex right after the alledged rape.

If anything women like her make it harder for the "REAL" victims.