WL - pool crashing problem

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Originally posted by skiwee1
I do have a pool at home but still feel WDW resort pools are different. I don't have a giant slide or a spewing volcano coming out of my pool nor the view of the MK. I also lack a great pool bar that makes the most delicious Lava Flows! We also spend thousands each trip and have been going 3 times a year and the we receive the value of all of it. It is worth every penny to us. It is a vacation like no other. I can't do any of this at home. At my house I can sit by our pool and birdwatch or admire my handiwork in the gardens. Of course that is between cleaning, cooking, shopping, and so on. At WDW I can just relax at the pool drinking my Lava Flows. :D


Bingo! You hit the nail on the head! Poly poolside is part of our daily routine mid-day, when the parks are most crowded. It's me, hopefully under a cabana, with a magazine, gazing at the castle, under the Florida sun, greyhound in hand, far away from work problems! I look forward to it for months. Anybody who doesn't think pool crashers are a huge problem just hasn't been paying attention. Last time we were at WL, I got into a discussion with the people around me and <i>none</i> of them were staying at WL! One lady and her daughter were WDW employees and she said that all of them hop around the pools. I should have asked her but I didn't - Are they allowed to do that?

If I needed a chair at the Poly and knew for a fact chairs were taken by people who weren't staying there I'd complain in a heartbeat - even with all the discounts I work out, staying there is not cheap and it's only fair that I get a seat over a non-guest.
 
If you aren't worried about it and don't care about it, then why do you spend so much time on threads that are discussing it?

It seems to me that everything that has been said has been hypothetical, and most are in agreement that WDW should have some sort of system in place.

If you are only interested in bashing those who are having a friendly discussion about the topic, then maybe you should just not bother to post.

Anne
 
Hayley- No they are not, unless they are a guest of one of the hotels.

In fact I believe that they could be terminated if they got caught.

Anne
 
People are even going as far to help Disney implement a pool hopping deterrent. Even down to the color and price it would cost. How funny is that! Get a life!!!

Perhaps it is because I just don't care, but I think it is more because I am having too much fun to worry what someone else is doing.


Obviously you haven't visited a resort where the pool was so crowded that you couldn't find even one chair poolside. Or couldn't enjoy the pool because of the amount of people in it. Or where you overhead more than 1 conversation by someone who said "This pool is so much better than the one at our hotel". "This hotel looks nice, maybe we should stay here next time." "I'm so glad so & so told us to come here and try this pool." These types of things make it very difficult to have fun.

If you have experienced this and it doesn't bother you, then great. If it hasn't, I hope it never does. If the people here want to discuss things then so be it and if you don't like the topic or think it worthwhile, then there is always your back button.

I would think with the title "WL-pool crashing problem" you would already realize what was being discussed so why even click if you think it worthless to discuss?
 

For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would spend so much time worrying and discussing pool hopping
Imagine you buy a ticket to a movie or a basketball game, and there are no seats available and you have to stand. An employee tells you it's because people who didn't pay sneak in and take up seats.
We have been going to WDW at least 2 times a year since 1992, and have never noticed a "POOL HOPPER".
Some of them do wear shirts that say "POOL HOPPER" on the back. There's also an "I brake for all Disney pools" bumper sticker available at Word of Disney. :)
 
Someone else just said this, but there must be a reason Disney doesn't put more effort into enforcing their rules - perhaps it is, as has been already said, because they are so afraid of offending anyone.Whatever the case - I don't think we need to think of ourselves as mean people, or "tattle-tales" for pointing out people we over hear talking out pool-hopping if the pool is really crowded and we can't find a seat. After all, we wouldn't be doing it to be vindicative; just practical.

The baseball game analogy was a good one - I'd complain if someone was sitting in my seat at a concert or a ball game! We need to just speak up for ourselves, that's all.
 
I'm getting in on this discussion rather late in the game but I couldn't resist throwing in my 2 cents. We'll be staying at the WL in May and plan on spending some of each day at the pool. We have a 3 1/2 yo DD and I can't imagine the H#@% I'd have to endure each day if I denied her pool time. For my DH and I it's also relaxing time to spend together.

I know some people can't understand why anyone would make such a big deal about a hotel pool when there are all the WDW parks to visit. I can't understand why someone would spend so much money for a resort, when a clean $39 room could be gotten just down the road, and not enjoy all ammenities.

I guess that's what makes this country so great!!
 
You could be right, the large groups of people we saw coming from the boat with backpacks and heading into the poolside washrooms could just be people who have already checked out. There were a couple large groups of young adults. Funny, I never saw them anywhere else around the resort.


As I said, you can't see "where" they are coming from from the pool area. Just because they walk back from the dock area doesn't mean they got off a boat. And I still say I cannot understand how anyone could or would spend enough time watching other people to even notice where they come from or what they're carrying, let alone to make of point of seeing if they could find them anywhere else at the resort at another time.

Even if it happened, how many large groups? Two, three? How many in the group, 4 or 5? If you saw three groups of 5 people, that's 15 people during your vacation. Not enough to cause a significant problem. That is, if the only reason for the complaint is that it causes significant overcrowding at the pools.


"It took Disney years to figure out how to beat ticket re-selling"

Yes, but preventing pool hopping is a much easier problem to fix. If WDW thought it was a significant problem, they would correct it.

"Did you know that resort IDs, even though they all look the same, have numbers indicating which resort you are staying at?"

Yes, I knew that. I never thought about it until our last trip when my sister lost the contents of her wallet...resort ID, Driver's license and AP. By the time we realized it, they had already been turned in by a wonderful CM and they had already notified our resort.

"Why doesn't WDW fix it? Because they are so terribly worried about offending or inconveniencing people. They cut off their nose to spite their face. The problem is that they don't have the foresight to realize that eventually they'll have no nose left. It's not just with the pools, it's an overwhelming and pervasive systematic problem with the company who is so worried about upsetting any guest for any reason. They have become unable to look at the big picture. "

In order to agree with your reasoning, I'd have to believe Disney is an incredibly stupid company that for some unknown reason wants to hurt themselves. I don't believe that. I think they're pretty bright and up until recent events beyond their control, have done quite well. I agree, the last thing Disney wants to do is offend guests and they do their best to offend the least number possible. If it were the case that there were more people upset by pool hopping than there were pool hoppers, they'd fix it. They have apparently decided there are fewer complainers than hoppers or that the steps they take now are sufficient. Besides, they don't mind throwing people out of the pool when they catch them, why would they mind offending them by stopping them from going in the first place? It doesn't make sense.

Not directed at anyone in particular.....

EVERYONE spends thousands of dollars vacationing at WDW. It's not a valid argument for either side. There also seems to be a hint of " If you don't agree with us, quit posting on this thread" going on here. It doesn't work that way folks.

I think the pool hopper problem is being vastly overstated. I for one don't want to have to wear a wristband for 2 weeks or keep track of one. I also don't want a huge fence erected around the pool to keep intruders out. I've been at SAB when it was wall to wall people and I believe it would have been horribly crowded at that time pool hoppers or not. They could have thrown 100 people out and you wouldn't have noticed a difference.
 
Originally posted by skiwee1
[B I don't have a giant slide or a spewing volcano coming out of my pool . :D [/B]

As I looked out my back window on to my winterized pool I had this great mental picture of the poly volcano right in my back yard.
I can just see Dh's face when I tell him, hon, I think we need a volcano for the pool.:D But then I know we will be swarmed with the neighborhood poolhoppers.:D Bad idea!!

In all seriousness, I can imagine the poolhoppers being a problem although they haven't yet bothered me. I would imagine that Disney is on top of it and something will and should be done. Its just a matter of time before some system is put into place. I guess in the meantime if it causes you a problem and you find it neccessary to report it, than by all means do so. Me, I could care less who swims where as long as there is room in the pool for us.
 
As I said, you can't see "where" they are coming from from the pool area. Just because they walk back from the dock area doesn't mean they got off a boat. And I still say I cannot understand how anyone could or would spend enough time watching other people to even notice where they come from or what they're carrying, let alone to make of point of seeing if they could find them anywhere else at the resort at another time.

Well, when the horn for the boat sounds and you see a bunch of people coming from the dock (it's the only thing out there)....I mean, they didn't swim here!

I didn't spend time watching for these people, but when you're lying around the pool you tend to people watch a bit. And remember, this was after the CM and security guard had asked us for ID. I had to get out of the pool and go fish my hotel ID out of my shoe (please don't tell anyone that's where I hide it). I asked them why they were doing this and they told me about the "problem." (their words). They said people get off the boat from MK and spend time in the pool.

So a bit later I see groups coming from the boat dock with backpacks and head for the restroom. I noticed that I never saw these types of groups (several young adults or teens) anywhere else in the resort. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. If you think the CM and security guard are wasting their time - fine. If they hadn't mentioned it I never would have noticed, and I suppose I wouldn't have questioned why I had such trouble getting deck chairs and just blamed Eisner for being cheap and building a small pool.
 
When I am paying alot of money to eat in a fancy restaurant I don't want random people wandering in off the street with McDonalds bags sitting down at the table next to me. Most of us here save our money carefully to stay at Disney resorts because the family vacations and memory building are important to us. That is our right. When paying money for a certain resort, I expect that the people using the pools there are paying guest. How many of us would pack up the kids and drive to a random hotel in the city we live in and tromp through the lobby to the pool and jump in? Besides being thrown out, the response from the staff would be very embarrassing to most people. Why on earth should Disney pools be any different? What is it about that place that makes some people feel so entitled to things that aren't theirs?
 
Originally posted by ducklite
If you aren't worried about it and don't care about it, then why do you spend so much time on threads that are discussing it?

It seems to me that everything that has been said has been hypothetical, and most are in agreement that WDW should have some sort of system in place.

If you are only interested in bashing those who are having a friendly discussion about the topic, then maybe you should just not bother to post.

Anne

How do you know how much time I spend and on which threads?

Just as you are entitled to your opinion, I am also entitled to mine. And I feel that it is wasted energy worrying so much about what others are doing. I highly doubt that the lack of chairs is due to the pool hoppers, it seems more likely that there is just a shortage of chairs.

If we all agreed on everything, what fun would these boards be? And I will keep posting as I see fit.
 
This is silly to argue about this - but we're just shooting the breeze here, so to speak -- why do we have to be criticized for talking about things that bug us?

Some of you guys sound like my husband - :) - Sometimes I just feel like b*tching about something with people who agree with me, and he thinks it's so dumb! (Never mind that he does it all the time with things that are important to him:rolleyes: ).

My family is a big, friendly bunch and we meet people and talk to everybody everytime we're at WDW - trust me, people are pool hopping, and they aren't shy about admitting it. We've met plenty of them. The only times I get mad about it is when I can't find a seat -- and it's happened. We tend to go busy times of the year.
 
This thread started out fine. But yet again it turned into the same old pool hopping debate.

It's too bad this can't be discussed without it turning into a personal insult battle.
 
I agree LIzzie. It started out as a constructive, friendly thread. but it turned into people criticizing the way others spend their vacaton time and money, and people criticizing people's posts on this thread for on reason other than to bash.

BTW--you're going to WDW soon, right? Did you decidebook the suite?

Anne
 
Just as you are entitled to your opinion, I am also entitled to mine. And I feel that it is wasted energy worrying so much about what others are doing.
If we all agreed on everything, what fun would these boards be? And I will keep posting as I see fit.

If you think it is wasted energy worrying about what others are doing then why are telling those who want to post about this to get a life? If they want to post it is their right just as it is your right to post what you want. I didn't think saying something like "get a life" is really a helpful or "fun" way to post or disagree with someone.
 
Sorry Trekker...I sat on my hands, right until the insults flew, and then I couldn't stop myself!

Why doesn't WDW fix it? Because they are so terribly worried about offending or inconveniencing people.

And they own it, so if they don't want to do anything about it, and it bothers some of you sooo very much, then perhaps you need to start staying somewhere else. I know I wouldn't keep coming back to a hotel with such inconsiderate owners (I don't feel this way..I think if the problem was serious enough, they would fix it), where they didn't care about me, but just "gate crashers".

If you are only interested in bashing those who are having a friendly discussion about the topic, then maybe you should just not bother to post.

Umm..who is bashing who? Wasn't it just a discussion on both sides? So, this thread was suppose to just be for people who can tell pool hoppers, and others who never or seldom see the problem aren't allowed? Did you know you could start your own board on Yahoo..and just title it Those against Disney Pool Crasher s..and none of us will be able to come..you can complain to your hearts content and since it's not a PUBLIC board, only those of you that are so bothered by the crashers will be able to post.

I noticed that I never saw these types of groups (several young adults or teens) anywhere else in the resort

There are thousands of people in each hotel. We can't even, in the last ten visit's spot a green piece of ribbon that lots and lots of people say they are wearing..how can you tell who are the guests, and who aren't?

You may not have a place to sit, because the hotel built a pool too small for the amount of guests that are checked into that hotel. Just for the record..we carry backpacks on our first and last days (could be 2-10 of us). We may show up to our hotel on the bus, because we had breakfast or lunch elsewhere, and are coming back to relax before we get on our plane. We may not even be wearing our Land's End clothing, since we'll be traveling, but our grubbies. No way can you tell where I belong, just by what I'm carrying. If a CM asks me if I belong, I'll be glad to show my room key (it has never happened)..but you can stop staring and giving me dirty looks, because you won't stop me from swiming in the pool Disney says I can, just because I didn't come direct from my room.

I've only seen one post between two people about how they spend their money (with a third agreeing)..so I don't think this thread went in that direction..except between those two.
 
Originally posted by ducklite
I agree LIzzie. It started out as a constructive, friendly thread. but it turned into people criticizing the way others spend their vacaton time and money, and people criticizing people's posts on this thread for on reason other than to bash.

BTW--you're going to WDW soon, right? Did you decidebook the suite?

Anne

Haven't decided yet. Can't quite make up my mind. We'll see what happens if the AP rates come out. That will make my mind up. They do look great though

- Sorry to take this thread off topic -
 
Originally posted by peachgirl



"It took Disney years to figure out how to beat ticket re-selling"

Yes, but preventing pool hopping is a much easier problem to fix. If WDW thought it was a significant problem, they would correct it.


I think that if Disney believed it was affecting their profit, it would be more of an issue. Poolhopping does not take any revenue away from Disney directly. It would take a Large number of written complaints and people deciding to stay elsewhere before they would bother with any system or increase pool policing. On the other hand, people who have 5 people in their room instead of 4 don't bother me at all. But I'm sure Disney sees that as lost profit (besides the "safety" issue).
 
I agree with Hayley. Why is it whenever someone posts about something that bugs them they get tons of people who have to criticize them. Everyone has a right to their opinion. This started out as someone who was tired of having to be crowded out at their own resorts pool. I think that is a valid complaint. I don't understand why anyone who doesn't share that feeling is even posting on this thread. Maybe start a thread about people who love to pool hop or how you think Disney should allow pool hopping. That's your opinion then and those who agree can post freely there. Just a thought.
 
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