Wk of Apr 16--2007 WISH Walking/Running Club

chimera

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Hello everyone!

For those new to us, we're a group of people who are planning to participate in walking/running events throughout the year. Some of us are training for the 2006 Disneyland Half and for the 2007 WDW Half/Full marathons. We'll also be posting news/training for various other events throughout the year. We range from non-running beginners to triathletes. Come join us, whether you're training for an event or walking/running for fitness!

Here's the Marathon FAQ, a great place to answer your marathon questions:
Disney Marathon FAQ
And some websites for further running/walking info:
http://www.runnersworld.com
http://www.coolrunning.com
http://www.halhigdon.com
http://www.running4women.com/
http://www.runnergirl.com/index.shtml
http://www.katherineswitzer.com/fitness.html
http://www.irongirl.com
http://www.marathonguide.com
http://www.marathonwalking.com
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com
http://acefitness.com/getfit/freeexercise.aspx
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/
The John Bingham site:
http://www.waddleon.com/
Jeff Galloway's site:
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/

Race Etiquette with Miss Road Manners

Pacing Calculator

Good training everyone!
 
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Just wanted to show y'all my Easter basket.

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If you look in the basket on the bottom, you'll see Tigger making himself comfortable.

It's been a rough week around here. DH's job is okay, but there's still alot of tension around his office. We picked up the dog from the kennel on Mon with some kind of weird doggie respiratory infection. She's better, but still sneezing. I've been in the ER and my doc's office this week with horrible reflux that's made it difficult to function (and run). Yesterday was the first LR I've missed in over a year. My parents were supposed to come up for Easter today, but mom called yesterday saying they were both sick.

I'm a little up in the air on the Minnie. My foot's still giving me a lot of problems...maybe 3 races in 4 months was too much for my first running season. We found out DH's company's big fundraiser of the year is the night before the Minnie, so he won't be able to go. We've recruited Grandma to come up with us and watch the wild todd while DD13 and I do the Minnie. I've decided I'm not planning for a PR for this race...just going to go up and have fun with it and get that Minnie medal. DD13 is already planning to wear her medal to school the next day and talking about starting a running club at school that can train for the WDW half and/or the Sarasota half.

We managed about 2 miles this morning trying out the new jogging stroller. DD13 is still having ankle problems and I still can't push with the breathing because of the reflux. We're trying to get it pulled together for the last LR next weekend, then start the taper and race!

Claire...congrats on your race!

Kim...good luck at Boston!

Sunny...are you running Boston too?

Scott...was your 5K this weekend?

I'm not sure of the entire spiritual makeup of the team, so Happy Easter, Blessed Passover, Happy Festivus, etc.... :grouphug:
 
Mel-I love your easter basket and that tigger seems to love it too! Tigger looks a lot like my Pooh Bear. I'm glad your DH's job is ok and I hope you are feeling better soon.

Happy Holiday to everyone!!
 

Mine will be slower than I'd like. Had a 15k training run on Sat for the upcoming Indy Mini. About 1/2 mile out, I caught a rock with right foot and went down hard. Left a lot of skin from left knee on pavement. By mile 6 I couldn't run and walked the rest of it. Training staff at finish line said it was sprained foot not ankle. Supposedly that is better. Still painful but she said I should be able to get back to regular training in couple days. It's pretty stiff today, so we'll see. Easter basket had a Garmin 205 in it, so will be hard not to push it too fast. Can't wait to get out there & really try it out.

CJ - Fishers, IN
"1k @ a time"
(12/30-1/9/07 POP - WDW Full)
 
Mel: :grouphug: that you you get to feeling better. :wizard: Love the Easter basket :thumbsup2

Lisa loves Pooh said:
I read this as:
"hand sanitizers in the potpourris"---
Yep--they do pamper us at Disney. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
Glad to hear the CCC is relatively flat---what about the bridge?

The Crescent City Classic (10K) just goes from Jax in the French Quarter, along Poydras, along Esplanade, and into City Park (wiggles in front of the museum for forEVer) ending at Tad Gorley Stadium. So the biggest bridges are in City Park and are about as big as AK bridges.
The Crescent City Connection in the fall (Labor Day weekend I think) is a 4 mile run that makes ample use of over passes and the Crescent City Connection (aka da big bad bridge).
At some point they ran a race across the Causeway, I'm guessing a marathon considering its 24 miles, but I dont think that's an annual event (mum remembers only that it really disrupted traffic). That would have included some nasty overpasses and lots of sun.

....hmmm thinking on the hose thing: do yall think i can get the residents along my regular jogging route to come and spray hoses on me on a regular basis?...they can even rotate turns --see??? I can too compromise :teeth: :rolleyes1
 
Hey everyone!! Hope that everyone had a great Easter, we just got home from my parents. Ugh, I ate WAY too much, it'll be easy for me to exercise tomorrow to burn off all those calories!! ;) Yesterday I walked 10 miles and it was great, my time was 2:22, with my 5 mile split being 1:11--pretty even, huh? This week I think I'm going to do 4-5-4-11, I officially should be tapering, but I think I'm going to just do a one week taper, I really don't feel like I need to taper for 2 weeks. Training for the half seems a lot easier than training for the Disney half, I'm not sure if it's because I'm walking this one and I ran Disney or because I know what to expect, or maybe a combination of both.

Carrie--That's great about your FIL. How is doing this week?

Sunny--Yay!! It sounds like your back. :cheer2: You get tomorrow off for the Boston marathon? That's pretty cool and lucky for you. Aren't you doing a race tomorrow? Or was that over the weekend?

Kim--Good luck for the Boston!!

Lily--Good to see you back, we've missed you! I'm very excited about the Flying Pig 1/2--21 days from today!

Taz4disney-- :grouphug: you sound like me!! I have 2 lovely scars on my knees from running wipeouts. The worse one was last December on my 10 miler training for the Disney half, I fell and busted my knee on mile 4 and to run 6 miles with a busted knee and blood running down my knee. :wizard: for a quick recovery!!

Nancy--I :love: Davy Jones!! I missed the Monkees phenomenon in the 60's/70's, but I can remember watching the Monkees tv show on reruns. I had no idea that I was watching the show 15-20 years after it first aired and I had the BIGGEST crush on Davy Jones. In fact the Monkees greatest hits is one of my favorite cd's.

Mel--Your Easter basket is wonderful! I'm glad that your DH still has a job, but :wizard: for the whole situation. Weirdness in the office is never good!!

Melissa--That is wonderful about Hines Ward, I didn't hear that. I love him!! I think my Hines has some pretty big shoes to fill!!!

I'll talk to everyone tomorrow!!
 
chimera said:
I'm a little up in the air on the Minnie. My foot's still giving me a lot of problems...maybe 3 races in 4 months was too much for my first running season. .... I've decided I'm not planning for a PR for this race...just going to go up and have fun with it and get that Minnie medal. .... DD13 is already planning to wear her medal to school the next day and talking about starting a running club at school that can train for the WDW half and/or the Sarasota half.



Sunny...are you running Boston too?

Scott...was your 5K this weekend?

I'm not sure of the entire spiritual makeup of the team, so Happy Easter, Blessed Passover, Happy Festivus, etc.... :grouphug:

Mel--sorry that you have been sick. Hope you feel better soon.

If you are not up for it--bag it if necessary. 9 miles is grueling-especially if you aren't at the top of your game.

Note of caution to everyone--especially the newbies (i.e. me and those who have as little experience as I, > 2 years).

In one of our clinics--we have a Personal Trainer who comes and teaches us how to stretch. And all apart of the training is advising us on injury prevention. Then she talked about a problem with her foot where she decided to do a marathon anyway. (I know Minnie isn't a 'thon--but the point still applies). Well--she finished..but did damage the foot permanently. She can "only" do half-marathons now...and usually it is part of a half-ironman. So sure--she can still compete. But the point is to watch yourself--and make the right judgement calls and as part of that--ask yourself "Is doing this one event---the most important thing ever and do I want it to be my last event?" If the answer is yes--time to reevaluate everything.

I am sure you will be fine.

But this is how I got my answer that I shouldn't do it--but of course the decision was easier...you don't train--kind of a no brainer on that.



And WOW---we have Boston runners in the house??

:worship: :worship: :worship:
 
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to check in and say that I won't be keeping up for awhile. I am sans computer at home. My laptop is getting fixed and they said it may be 3-4 weeks. At least it is still under warranty.

Anyway, my heel and sciatica is still bothering me and I haven't been to see an orthopod yet. I am planning on next week. I have stuck to the pool and biking as much as I can.

On a positive note, the family and I are off to a long weekend in DW in 2 weeks. Too bad the trip was planned before I realized about the Minnie, or I would be meeting up with all of you. I am just 1 weekend to early!

Best wishes to everyone - Hoping training is smooth for the nexst few weeks. I will check in from work if I ever get an extra second while there.

Boy am I lost without my computer at home! :)
Maggie
 
lilouisianagal said:
Mel: :grouphug: that you you get to feeling better. :wizard: Love the Easter basket :thumbsup2



The Crescent City Classic (10K) just goes from Jax in the French Quarter, along Poydras, along Esplanade, and into City Park (wiggles in front of the museum for forEVer) ending at Tad Gorley Stadium. So the biggest bridges are in City Park and are about as big as AK bridges.
The Crescent City Connection in the fall (Labor Day weekend I think) is a 4 mile run that makes ample use of over passes and the Crescent City Connection (aka da big bad bridge).
At some point they ran a race across the Causeway, I'm guessing a marathon considering its 24 miles, but I dont think that's an annual event (mum remembers only that it really disrupted traffic). That would have included some nasty overpasses and lots of sun.

....hmmm thinking on the hose thing: do yall think i can get the residents along my regular jogging route to come and spray hoses on me on a regular basis?...they can even rotate turns --see??? I can too compromise :teeth: :rolleyes1

Okay--I'm a big ol' dork. I had Charleston on teh brain when I read that--that would be the Cooper River BRIDGE run. Yes--Dork is tattooed on my forehad.

Sounds great.

I do think the marathon they had was a couple of months ago. It was to be their first MAJOR event since Katrina. It is an annual event I think. Just remember that they were really trying to get runners--even if they just "registered" and got their shirt in the mail. (i.e.--donate an entry fee to keep the event afloat).
 
Hey guys! Hope everyone had a great Easter weekend. I know I'm not looking forward to going back to work tomorrow. Wow, it's getting so nice outside and even though it's great weather for running, I know there are a million other things I need to be doing (like putting down the mulch, planting shrubs, edging, etc, etc). It's funny, I was running tonight and saw a guy stretching out in front of his house after running and looked at his lawn and it was way longer than either of his neighbors. I think that's a trademark of athletes, right? Let the yard go, throw on the running shoes and go work out. One of these days I'm going to mow the lawn and find leftover power bar wrappers and water bottles out there. :)

Kim--good luck tomorrow! We'll all be thinking of you.

Mel--nice Easter basket! Hope you're feeling better soon.

taz4disney--get well soon. I'm jealous of your Garmin 205. I've got the 201 and would really love to upgrade to the 205 or 305. I have a friend who's running Indy, too, and he's pretty excited for it. It sounds like a really fun race. Hope you have a great time.

Lisa--thanks for the advice on running events with injuries. I know I have a hard time turning down even a 5K when I'm sidelined with an injury, but you're right, when you put it into perspective, it's not worth risking serious injury for any one event.

Well, it was a good weekend for workouts. I ran 11 miles on Saturday with my cousin (he and I along with Krista are doing the Flying Pig Half in three weeks). Biked 18 miles today and followed it up with a 3 mile run. I'm trying to get back into tri shape before my first one in June. Question for all you cross training swimmers--do you guys do most of your training in the pool doing laps or does anyone swim in open water? I've got a friend at work who does a lot of tri's and he tries to swim in open water as much as possible but I've been happy doing it at the pool (a lot more convenient than finding open water available for swimming distances). Either way, I really need to work on my swimming. It's been a few months since I've done serious laps and I'm really feeling it now.

Anyway, have a great week everyone and enjoy the spring weather. Talk to you later!

Steve
 
aladdinsgirl said:
Sunny--Yay!! It sounds like your back. :cheer2: You get tomorrow off for the Boston marathon? That's pretty cool and lucky for you. Aren't you doing a race tomorrow? Or was that over the weekend?
!!

hee hee. Tomorrow is a state holiday in celebration of The Revolutionary War which began here in Lexington (Concord claims otherwise). It's called Patriot's Day and there are a lot of men wearing tricon hats and carrying muskets, etc. I'm running a 5 miler in Lexington. Go Marathoner's :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

Mel-- love your basket :)

Patriot's Day

You can read about it here. When you get to the part about the Lexington Battle Green you'll know where my race is! It starts on the Battlegreen. The Battlegreen also has a rock with my favorite quote on it:

"Stand you ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain Parker.

Ok, that's your history lesson for today ;)
 
Hope everyone had a happy holiday! There was too much Easter candy in mine! :earseek: I sent as much as possible home with our friends, and I am glad they forgot the browines they were going to bring!

I took today off for the holiday, that is if you call cleaning and cooking and then cleaning some more a day off! I'll be back to my routine tomorrow after my day of "rest" today. :teeth:

Chimera Nice Easter basket! Far better for you than what was in mine! Tigger looks like he has found a home. Will he be going jogging with you? Glad to hear DH's job will still be there. Hope your foot will be OK for the Minnie.

Kim Good luck on the Boston!

Sunny Good luck on the 5 miler in Lexington! Sounds like the entire Boston area will be running!

taz4disney Hope your knee is feeling better. Last time I went down (which was in my 1st ever 5K last spring) I was fortunately wearing a knee support so it protected my knee, but certainly not my pride.

Krista Sounds like you had a great walk! As for Davy Jones, I DO remember him from the '60's. One of the reasons I love the Flower Power concert series so much is that I get to see so many of the groups who were popular then. Some of them I was able to see back then, but most of them I have not been able to see before. Of course, we are all a bit older now, and a lot of the groups are not all the original members, but it's still fun to see them. I have all this year's concerts on my calendar and will be at as many of them as I can! :flower1: :daisy:

Maggie Good to hear from you. Hope you have the laptop back soon. Get yourself to that ortho!

Steve I do like to swim in open water whenever I can, but you're right about it baing hard to find a good place to swim any kind of distance. It is a much different feeling than swimming in a pool, though, especially if your race will include an ocean swim where you will have waves and currents to contend with. Overall, I think training in a pool is fine, but I would try and do some open water work if you can, especially if you are not used to swimming anywhere but in a pool.
 
Morning Everyone,

Just a quick post before I start work today. Hope everyone had a wonderful Easter.

I didn't get as much training in as I hoped but I did do quite a bit of cross-training on Saturday with my personal trainer (she kicked my butt). Beyond that I didn't do anything else. I was hoping to get in some running but my DH and I had been traveling to relatives homes all weekend.

Today, I will be doing a run after work. Today, I am expecting to be yet another busy day.

I'll check in all of you later on.

Jodi
 
skfulkers said:
Lisa--thanks for the advice on running events with injuries. I know I have a hard time turning down even a 5K when I'm sidelined with an injury, but you're right, when you put it into perspective, it's not worth risking serious injury for any one event.

Just want to clarify that some people can run and/or walk with injuries--but instead of being a hero--best to have medical okay on that. I don't recall the PT's story exactly--but I think she basically was saying she went against her better judgement. I only ran post surgery b/c I had a surgeon and a PT that gave me permission to do so. It would have been better to wait as with any injury. The key is--will you cause further damage by doing so.

Don't want to sound too preachy :guilty: .
 
Stephen and other aspiring triathletes- about open water swimming Nancy makes a good point but...the off shore buoy here is registering water temp at 42.8 F. That's up almost 3 degrees in the last 2 weeks but is still quite a ways from what I'll swim in even with the wetsuit. So consequently, I'm getting a lot of pool time and will continue to do so. My first open water swim of the year will either be the day before St Anthony's in Tampa Bay(last buoy temp was 73) or the morning of St Anthony's so in either 12 or 13 days. I will then come back north and back into the pool.

The tri club's open water swims start Friday mornings at 0600 in May but they are lake rather than ocean and lakes in general warm up quicker. Open water swimming for practice can be a challenge because of safety issues. You either need to do it at a guarded area, with a group, or with a safety buddy in a kayak/canoe. So don't feel bad about swimming in the pool almost exclusively. Many triathletes do it and do fine.

Still training consistently. Swim M, W, F, bike W, Th, Sat, run T, F, Sun this past week. Did what I think was my longest ride since Ironman Lake Placid in 2003 on Saturday- just shy of 62 miles. Scheduled for 80 this weekend followed immediately by a 3 mile run and then another 14 mile run the next day. Then it's taper time. No, not really, it's just I'll be racing St Anthony's Olympic distance(1.5 K/40 K/10 K) the following weekend, and then the Minnie marathon is screwing up my training the weekend after that and then it really is taper time. I would love to figure out how to get a 50 mile bike in the day before Minnie but it seems to be logistically more trouble than it's worth.

PD for illness and injury :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:
Good luck to the Patriot's Day racers!
 
Wow! It is only Monday a.m. and we are already on page 2! Even when we are relatively quiet, we are a chatty bunch!

So, still not much to report with pride here. I did get out for what should have been a LW Friday a.m., but one of my partners showed up at the track and when he was done, joined me for what he called a "cool down" before I was done. It felt kind of awkward to keep going, so I ended early at about 4.6 miles and did some stretching. The good thing is I stretched my hamstrings quite a bit before going out, and my hip barely even twinged. So, I am convinced that is the answer. The funny thing is my dr. had told me in August that he was impressed with how flexible I was and that my hamstrings weren't tight at all. Now, all of the sudden, it is an issue for every workout. Oh, on Friday my pace was seconds above 15:00 or many seconds below for every split. Good thing, considering I've been doubting my ability to maintain 15:00 for the Minnie.

Saturday I did 30 minutes on the elliptical and 30 minutes on the bike. The bad thing is I ate way too much this weekend.

Emotional eating stinks! Sunny, I think we need the Training Eating Accountability thread again. :grouphug: Friday was the one year anniversary of my Dad's death and yesterday the anniversary of the funeral. My Mom died 16 days later, 2 days before her 63rd birthday and a week before Mother's Day. This has been so rough, especially in light of all the wonderful things happening in the kids' lives -- so much to share with Nana and Grandpa, and they did it at the cemetary Friday. Hoping the next couple weeks won't be as rough.

Going back to WW meeting tomorrow night, mostly to help DD get a handle on healthy eating and to take off some weight before college, but also because mine has been so relatively stable for so long. I need a jump start, that's for sure.
 
Hi all! Works busy adn I'm moving very slowly due to lack of work. SO, I'll try to catch up later, just wanted togive you an update on my FIL. Thank you to all of you for your rprayers, thoughts, and support.

It was a general upswing over the weekend, but still had some scares. Yesterday was ll good news. Very appropriate for teh day. Worked hard over the weeknd doing MILs Easter shoppign for teh little ones and catching up their laundry so that SIL3 could get to the hospital. SUnday am, I went ot see my parents and dh was able to get away and come for dinner. When he was with his family who were all rather dismal, he just kind of looked like the rest of them. However, he's notrious for being fun with my family. My niece shouted, "Unclle Scott' shere, now we can have fun!" when he arrived. Although, he tried and enjoyed being in a happier pplace ofr a bit, you could tell there was no sparkle in him. Made me so sad. Then we had to drive off inseparate directions when we left. LAst night was hard. I knew it should only be one more night, but I haven't really slept sincehe left.

Well, today was even better news! SApring details, they're basically going to start the healing process today. The ventilator should be gone by Wednesday, his temp's been going down and is about normal now, his kidney production has gone way up the last 2 days and they are taking off the sedation meds a bit to let him be more conscious. (not awake, but so you can yell or speak firmly adn get him to squeeze your hane or wiggle his toes.) Next week, they will start skin grafts.

Oh, I found out Friday that he had moved up to a 50/50 chance of surviving. What??? They said eh could die from surgery adn WebMD mentioned it, but teh doc's only talked about keeping his leg. WHat good would his leg do if he was dead? Probably better that they didn't mention it, but still seems kind of wrong to bring it up that it's only 50/50 when you think he's through the worst. Then my BIL found out that they only gave him a 10% chance on Monday. Wow. As lof last night, the doc was "optimistic." I know that if he made it through what he did, though, he's not giving up now.

So, dh will some home tonight. I can't wait. There'll likely be a lot more weeknd trips to come, but at least things are looking up. Thansk for all of your thougths and prayers. Please keep them up, as it will be a long haul for everyone. I had to tell dh as he was lamenting what's still to come that it's just like our marathon. You take it one step at a time and don't look too far ahead. ;) I'm starting to think that last year was just training us for somethign bigger. It's amazing how that experience can change your outlook on so many other things. This morining, dh said, "Well, I feel like we've gone from uphill in the ice adn wind to crunchy snow and a more level surface." :p


Thansk again everone! I'll try to be OT agin now and hopefully will get back on track again with the workouts this week.

Have a great week everyone!
 
Carrie-- :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Scott and your FIL and your whole family. That has got to be so hard on all of you. I didn't realize that Scott was staying with his family and that he wasn't home, that has to make it so much harder. I'll continue to keep you all in my prayers.

Cam-- :hug: :hug: for you and your family. That must have been hard for you. I agree that we need an accountability thread again, my eating has been out of control. My problem is I'm walking 20+ miles a week, so I'm burning calories, however I am eating like I'm RUNNING 20+ miles. I usually burn right around 100 calories per mile when I run and when I walk, I burn about 85 calories--that 15 calorie per mile difference is killing me!!

I was going to post this on the community board, but I didn't think many people would appreciate it or really care, but who else is :furious: that Jo Dee Messina is running the Boston Marathon without qualifying? I was just reading on Runners World that she is running Boston, her 1st marathon. WHAT??? How not right is that?? Qualifying for Boston is huge and an honor, yet she gets to run it without qualifying because she is a celebrity?? :sad2: :furious: :furious:
 
Krista - You're right. That stinks that a celeb can just jump right in when many of us know we'llnever get there and have worked our bus off. It might be justice, though, if she gets swept or comes in last. WHy would you want to even risk doing that to yourself?

cam - :grouphug: That is so rough. Hoope thigns get better for you soon. Good for you trying to get dd on the right track before college too. COllege can be a huge eating downfall.

OK, 2 down. How many more do I have to catch up with? ;)
 












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