Wish delayed with mechanical problems

This seems to be the perspective of many people in the group. First-time cruisers, "once in a lifetime" cruises, all really excited to try CC for the first time. Many said their vacation was ruined. While I think that attitude is maybe a bit extreme (we still had a great cruise), I can, to a degree, get where they're coming from. Many of us on this board (myself included) are lucky we are able to cruise on DCL many times. That's not the case for all. I was a little bummed to miss CC, but I've been there before so the bonus sea day was fine for me. For others really looking forward to it, I can see them being bummed.
I’ve shared tables with first time cruisers and they have talked about it being a once in a lifetime experience. When you add in airfare, hotels, transfers there’s a lot more expenses than just the cruise. That’s why I think a partial refund would take the sting out of it. The 20% of a future cruise only benefits Disney.
 
I’ve shared tables with first time cruisers and they have talked about it being a once in a lifetime experience. When you add in airfare, hotels, transfers there’s a lot more expenses than just the cruise. That’s why I think a partial refund would take the sting out of it. The 20% of a future cruise only benefits Disney.
But this is a sailing on the Wish—which is a LOT more expensive than the other ships, and not discounted if they are first timers. If they can afford rack rates on the Wish, 20% off another ship, and some flexibility on dates, might make another cruise much more affordable.
 
The point was some people can only afford a Disney cruise once in a lifetime. They may not want to save up the money for it again. Concierge guests probably don’t have that issue. Family of fives are only a small portion of the cruise demographic.

A 20% refund would be a much better offer. 20% off an overpriced cruise only benefits someone that wants to cruise again.
But that could be for any vacation. Maybe a family saves up for years to go to Paris as a once in a lifetime trip and wants to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. It’s the biggest thing they want to do. And it’s closed the week they are there for whatever reason. They don’t get a 20% refund on airfare and hotel nor a 20% discount on a future trip. Is it disappointing to miss Castaway Cay on a cruise? Of course. It’s a highlight. But there are other things to do on the ship. And of course cruise contracts state that ports of call are subject to change at any time. But a 20% discount on a future cruise with the OBC is more than fair IMO.
 
But that could be for any vacation. Maybe a family saves up for years to go to Paris as a once in a lifetime trip and wants to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. It’s the biggest thing they want to do. And it’s closed the week they are there for whatever reason. They don’t get a 20% refund on airfare and hotel nor a 20% discount on a future trip. Is it disappointing to miss Castaway Cay on a cruise? Of course. It’s a highlight. But there are other things to do on the ship. And of course cruise contracts state that ports of call are subject to change at any time. But a 20% discount on a future cruise with the OBC is more than fair IMO.
If the Eiiffel Tower was included in a tour they might get a refund or a discount on another tour.
 

If the Eiiffel Tower was included in a tour they might get a refund or a discount on another tour.
Might is the key word. Disney doesn’t have to give any compensation for any missed port. They are doing it as a measure of goodwill to guests and to try to capture future trips. But people should not expect any compensation
 
But that could be for any vacation. Maybe a family saves up for years to go to Paris as a once in a lifetime trip and wants to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. It’s the biggest thing they want to do. And it’s closed the week they are there for whatever reason. They don’t get a 20% refund on airfare and hotel nor a 20% discount on a future trip. Is it disappointing to miss Castaway Cay on a cruise? Of course. It’s a highlight. But there are other things to do on the ship. And of course cruise contracts state that ports of call are subject to change at any time. But a 20% discount on a future cruise with the OBC is more than fair IMO.
It was the cruise line's fault though not a weather issue. Airlines issue refunds for mechanical problems not weather issues. If I booked a room at a hotel and the room had some mechanical issue like a water leak or power outage not weather-related I would expect a refund.
 
But this is a sailing on the Wish—which is a LOT more expensive than the other ships, and not discounted if they are first timers. If they can afford rack rates on the Wish, 20% off another ship, and some flexibility on dates, might make another cruise much more affordable.
You're making a lot of assumptions about what people can afford.
 
Families of 5 are not eligible for GT rates (max occupancy of 4), and this also works on concierge (unlike placeholder). It's a pretty good deal.

Our first disney cruise was "ruined" when my husband caught noro and was quarantined (we did self-report to medical bay as instructed). Our attitude was the opposite--instead of never wanting to cruise with Disney again, we took it as an excuse to book a repeat cruise a couple months later (without a discount, because we were stupid and didn't know about the placeholder--didn't have the app back then) to do all the stuff we missed out on.
That's different than a mechanical issue.

I think people here on this thread are more thinking about it from a perspective of they'll probably catch CC another time OR they've already done it no biggie. Because the Wish only has 3 and 4 day itineraries that put the pressure to be at CC even more. Weather people get, they get annoyed still. Mechanical is less forgiving.

TBH I find $100 OBC fairly small. We all know it won't take much to get that especially the more people you have in the stateroom. A family of four that's $25 per person for missing what is probably a main reason they booked the cruise if they are thinking about port of calls.

Now if this was a 7+ day cruise where it was just one port of call out of several that might change things but if you're only getting 1 to 2 ports of call period and it's a mechanical reason you're missing one that's going to change the situation.
 
That's different than a mechanical issue.

I think people here on this thread are more thinking about it from a perspective of they'll probably catch CC another time OR they've already done it no biggie. Because the Wish only has 3 and 4 day itineraries that put the pressure to be at CC even more. Weather people get, they get annoyed still. Mechanical is less forgiving.

TBH I find $100 OBC fairly small. We all know it won't take much to get that especially the more people you have in the stateroom. A family of four that's $25 per person for missing what is probably a main reason they booked the cruise if they are thinking about port of calls.

Now if this was a 7+ day cruise where it was just one port of call out of several that might change things but if you're only getting 1 to 2 ports of call period and it's a mechanical reason you're missing one that's going to change the situation.
I was looking at the Wish for a Family of 4 at the beginning of January next year. It's when my kids are on college break. It's around 5k for an Ocean view room. Add in airfare hotel and all the other expenses that's a ridiculous cost for a 4-day cruise. I would never do it. My 12-day European cruise is less than that.

The cruisers that live in Florida might like it, but then again they already get Florida resident rates and can easily take advantage of GT rates.

The last four DCL cruises I've been on have been discounted 35% with GT rates.
 
What I think Disney Cruise Line is trying to do is copy Carnival Cruise Line and if you look at the past Carnival Cruise Line has had many problems with their ships "Remember when the Carnival Ecstasy had that fire back in the 2000's?" And why would Disney Cruise Line skip Castaway Cay due to mechanical problems on the Wish? When they should've gone straight back to Florida in the first place and this is shocking to me that they would do this to people. I think this problem NEVER really happened and in my eyes it was just a way to cancel the activities scheduled for that day. I think what Disney should've offered was Walt Disney World and Disneyland vouchers to be used on future vacations and DCL should give people apology letters and offer them special discounts on dining and dinner shows and discounts on stateroom upgrades for a special price on future cruises. Because I read that Disney Cruise Line rarely has problems with their ships and since the Wish is the newest ship they are still working on improving many things to make it better. Hopefully with the newest ships added to DCL this won't happen ever again
 
It was the cruise line's fault though not a weather issue. Airlines issue refunds for mechanical problems not weather issues. If I booked a room at a hotel and the room had some mechanical issue like a water leak or power outage not weather-related I would expect a refund.
I understand but a cruise contract says that cruise lines can change ports and itineraries for any unforeseen reason (including mechanical) at any time. You agree to this every time you book a cruise. You are signing up to be on a ship for a certain number of days. You can be mad or disappointed about changes—that’s understandable. But you cannot expect to get a bunch of money back.

Another example—family saves up for once in a lifetime WDW trip. Main goal and most important is to ride Rise. It’s broken down during their trip and they can’t ride. Should they get a refund on their trip?

A hotel not having power or water makes it uninhabitable—that’s far different than missing a tour or an activity you want to do but isn’t essential (you may think it’s essential because you want to experience it but that’s debatable). The cruise ship wasn’t uninhabitable. An airline not being able to transport you to point A because of a mechanical or safety issue is different as well—the sole purpose of the ticket was transportation and that was not fulfilled. On a cruise you signed up to be on the ship on these times, and that’s what happened. Your itinerary was not set in stone.

And you are trying to assign a value to an experience that is variable. There was just a post here about someone who didn’t like CC. So missing it for them probably would not be a big deal. For other families it’s the only reason they go on a cruise. So should the family who really really wanted to go to CC get more compensation because it’s more important to them? What about the family of 4 who booked an oceanview vs the family of 4 who booked concierge. Giving them 20% their cruise fare paid is a lot different—but is the concierge family missing CC worth more $$ compared to another family in interior room? Their experience on CC may be the same aside from renting a cabana which obviously would be refunded.
 
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I understand but a cruise contract says that cruise lines can change ports and itineraries for any unforeseen reason (including mechanical) at any time. You agree to this every time you book a cruise.
This right here. This is actually very important. Disney had ZERO obligation to give people on that cruise ANYTHING. Officially they have met their contractual obligations. Regardless of it was weather, mechanical, or any other reason. Now is it a bummer? Yes, I'm not saying it isn't.

At $100 a cabin, I recall around 1200+ cabins on the Wish, DCL spent over $12,000 giving OBC when they didn't have to. They gave 1200+ 20% future cruise discounts, which lets just say averages to roughly $2,000 in discount (yes some will be less others will be more but just for example purposes). So DCL essentially shelled out $2,412,000 in OBC and future discounts WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING on something that was likely out of their control. I doubt anyone ever expected a mechanical issue of this magnitude on the newest ship.

Now will everyone use the 20%, no most likely not, some people are 1 and done cruisers. The offer was still made to help compensate guests for their inconvenience but we need to remember their contractual obligation was already met so they didn't have to do anything.
 
The point was some people can only afford a Disney cruise once in a lifetime. They may not want to save up the money for it again. Concierge guests probably don’t have that issue. Family of fives are only a small portion of the cruise demographic.

A 20% refund would be a much better offer. 20% off an overpriced cruise only benefits someone that wants to cruise again.
just curious where do you get this information? there are many families who travel with more then 2 kids, or perhaps one grandparent in the same cabin. It amazes me when we are on a ship, & see how many families are with more then four peolpe.
back when DCL first started on Magic the most a non-concierage cabin held was 4, we always had to get 2 cabins to accomodate 2 parents & 3 kids Years ago they added the pull down bunk but originally cabins only held 4
 
just curious where do you get this information? there are many families who travel with more then 2 kids, or perhaps one grandparent in the same cabin. It amazes me when we are on a ship, & see how many families are with more then four peolpe.
back when DCL first started on Magic the most a non-concierage cabin held was 4, we always had to get 2 cabins to accomodate 2 parents & 3 kids Years ago they added the pull down bunk but originally cabins only held 4
There are a limited number of rooms that sleep 5. I was responding to a poster about families of 5 not being eligible for GT rates. If you are getting two rooms that's not an issue. Almost every time I've booked a GT rate on the Dream of Fantasy we've been given a room that sleeps 5. Many times there have only been two of us......go figure. Why they don't let families of 5 book those rate is a question only Disney can answer.
 
There are a limited number of rooms that sleep 5. I was responding to a poster about families of 5 not being eligible for GT rates. If you are getting two rooms that's not an issue. Almost every time I've booked a GT rate on the Dream of Fantasy we've been given a room that sleeps 5. Many times there have only been two of us......go figure. Why they don't let families of 5 book those rate is a question only Disney can answer.
Because it limits the flexibility that disney wants in assigning cabins to balance out the lifeboats. Right now with a VGT they can use those rooms for two- four people or they cannot use those rooms at all if they don’t like the lifeboat balance.

However, once there’s five people, they must assign that room, regardless of how it impacts the lifeboats.
 
This right here. This is actually very important. Disney had ZERO obligation to give people on that cruise ANYTHING. Officially they have met their contractual obligations. Regardless of it was weather, mechanical, or any other reason. Now is it a bummer? Yes, I'm not saying it isn't.

At $100 a cabin, I recall around 1200+ cabins on the Wish, DCL spent over $12,000 giving OBC when they didn't have to. They gave 1200+ 20% future cruise discounts, which lets just say averages to roughly $2,000 in discount (yes some will be less others will be more but just for example purposes). So DCL essentially shelled out $2,412,000 in OBC and future discounts WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING on something that was likely out of their control. I doubt anyone ever expected a mechanical issue of this magnitude on the newest ship.

Now will everyone use the 20%, no most likely not, some people are 1 and done cruisers. The offer was still made to help compensate guests for their inconvenience but we need to remember their contractual obligation was already met so they didn't have to do anything.
I don't think we need to do any math on behalf of DCL. The $100 OBC is a drop in their buckets. Especially at their price point and more especially at the price point of Wish.

There is pressure for the airlines to step up what they are doing for a reason because people are tired of just saying well the CoC means they don't have to do xyz, okay yeah sure but the airlines have been skating by for years on the bare minimum or offering the lowest compensation they can hoping people will take them up on it. That's sorta a similar vibe here with Disney. On the surface 20% sounds fine enough but I believe it was mentioned they've restricted the ability to use the future percentage off and cabins can easily burn through the OBC.

I think it's great that people are totally okay with what DCL gave but I don't think it should be a problem to not be okay with it either. It works both ways.
 
For those saying a mechanical issue is totally DCL's fault, I can assure you that just like airplanes, ships are constantly monitored mechanically. But things can still happen that cannot be predicted.

I don't care how well you keep up your car, things will happen that you cannot predict. You can keep a perfect maintenance record on your car, taking it in every single time it's due for something - and the alternator will still eventually go out with NO forewarning. And sometimes even brand new parts are duds or have something faulty. My dad had something happen with his car and the mechanic who has always worked on it put in a replacement part directly out of the box - and it failed.

Given the constant checking and maintenance DCL ships get, I'd be VERY surprised if it was something other than a failure that simply cannot be predicted.
 
For those saying a mechanical issue is totally DCL's fault, I can assure you that just like airplanes, ships are constantly monitored mechanically. But things can still happen that cannot be predicted.

I don't care how well you keep up your car, things will happen that you cannot predict. You can keep a perfect maintenance record on your car, taking it in every single time it's due for something - and the alternator will still eventually go out with NO forewarning. And sometimes even brand new parts are duds or have something faulty. My dad had something happen with his car and the mechanic who has always worked on it put in a replacement part directly out of the box - and it failed.

Given the constant checking and maintenance DCL ships get, I'd be VERY surprised if it was something other than a failure that simply cannot be predicted.
Mechanical is not necessarily a company's fault (unless it was due to poor business practices on behalf of the company), is anyone saying it is and I missed it? Mechanical however falls more on the side of the responsibility of the company and normally changes people's perception of what the company should do.

To give an example Seabourn's newest ship had issues with its stabilizers earlier this year likely caused by damage traversing Drake's Passage because their jaunts in Iceland and Greenland were fine. That is something that for passengers will be more up to the company to smooth over as they missed some ports of call due to that rather than missing South Georgia islands (which is considered a highlight) due to unfavorable sea conditions. That ship is now in dry dock with several Amazon river cruises cancelled.

It's def. realistic it was an unforeseen issue but one none the less on the company.
 
But that could be for any vacation. Maybe a family saves up for years to go to Paris as a once in a lifetime trip and wants to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. It’s the biggest thing they want to do. And it’s closed the week they are there for whatever reason. They don’t get a 20% refund on airfare and hotel nor a 20% discount on a future trip. Is it disappointing to miss Castaway Cay on a cruise? Of course. It’s a highlight. But there are other things to do on the ship. And of course cruise contracts state that ports of call are subject to change at any time. But a 20% discount on a future cruise with the OBC is more than fair IMO.
But, this was something beyond the passengers control and not "an act of God" such as a weather event that prevented the ship from leaving Nassau. By the time the ship left, there was not enough time to get to CC. The responsibility is on DCL. I was originally on the side that the future discount & OBC was fair. Then last night I watched Chris and Amanda Provost of Provost Park Pass (YouTube) and they were on the cruise. They made some good points about compensation - or lack of. They have an interesting perspective on the whole situation. I think we may need to look at it beyond this board, most of us are big Disney fans who visit and are fortunate enough to cruise or take Disney trips on a fairly regular basis. And we are willing to forgive Disney more than most. There are families out there who save for literally years and that cruise was most likely a one and done. 20% off a future cruise and $100 (which is about 4 drinks) is debatable as fair compensation, regardless of a contract or meeting contractual obligations. Tell that to your heartbroken kids. Not sure I'd be so happy sitting in port for basically 2 days out of my 3 day cruise. Maybe they should have given 20% back on that cruise.
 
For those saying a mechanical issue is totally DCL's fault, I can assure you that just like airplanes, ships are constantly monitored mechanically. But things can still happen that cannot be predicted.

I don't care how well you keep up your car, things will happen that you cannot predict. You can keep a perfect maintenance record on your car, taking it in every single time it's due for something - and the alternator will still eventually go out with NO forewarning. And sometimes even brand new parts are duds or have something faulty. My dad had something happen with his car and the mechanic who has always worked on it put in a replacement part directly out of the box - and it failed.

Given the constant checking and maintenance DCL ships get, I'd be VERY surprised if it was something other than a failure that simply cannot be predicted.
Agreed. There are lots of people in the FB group claiming that because the Wish is new she shouldn't be having mechanical issues. And yes, while newer ships should be in better condition, the newness of a ship (or a car) doesn't mean something won't break without warning (or the ability to prevent).
 

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