Will disney be forced to change their RIV restrictions if owners are unable to book their home resort

[dvc lover 1970]

I was thinking about the restrictions at RIV. If owners are unable to book there and cannot book elsewhere will disney be forced to revisit this policy? Owners who do not book in the 11 month window and decide to do a last minute trip might be unable to book. We have done a few last minute trips and always stayed at which ever resort was available. This was something we never would have considered when we first purchased DVC, but another reason why resale RIV is worrisome. If I had RIV resale points and could not use them, I would be very upset. I hate to say this, but I think it will happen. At certain times of the year, I have been locked out in the 11 month window of my home resort, and some resorts/rooms choices are impossible in the 7 month window.

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

If they change the restrictions, it won’t be because of that. It isn’t Disney’s fault people don’t book early.

 

[Mphduffy]

RIV books up as fast as the other DVC's so this would not be a reason for a change in policy.

 

[Sandisw]

No, because according to the POS, you are guaranteed to be able to book at least 1 day at the resort at some time during the year, depending on how many points you own.

You don’t need to be able to book when you want or what you want because it’s a first come first serve system.

So, if you go online and something is available to book, any day during your UY, you had a change to use the points.

Now, I do think those that buy resale need to be flexible with dates and travel times if they want to try to get certain rooms sizes or views.

 

[BillPA]

Disney is like the "Ferengi" of Star Trek, they will only do something if there is a profit in it. This would not.

 

[kanerf]

Disney is like the "Ferengi" of Star Trek, they will only do something if there is a profit in it. This would not.

They got big ears too.

 

[drusba]

Purchasers of Riviera from Disney would still be in the same position as other resort owners and have the ability to reserve any open resort, such as SSR, when making late reservations. Over the last ten years, the modern DVC has proven over and over again how much it hates resale purchasers. It is unimaginable to believe the modern DVC would care whether Riviera resale purchasers could find a room when attempting to make late reservations, much less would consider doing something to alleviate the problem -- unless you can show it a way to make a big profit doing so, e.g., have a resale purchaser buy 125 new points from DVD and, if he does so, he gets to remove restrictions from 50 of the resale points he already has.

 

[Heather07438]

I think the resale issue won't be that the member can't find any availability, more likely just not their preferred choice.

Something to consider before buying resale. Those that do some combo of booking early, during slow times, or lower demand room categories won't likely encounter a problem... and there's always waitlist or pushing a trip out.

Can't really see there being nothing... more like not finding something within their preference. Say somebody over the summer wants to book Oct in a studio. They can't but there are still choices left like a 1BR in Nov, or a studio late Jan, etc.

 

[havoc315]

Even if you are a direct owner, you might find you can’t get any resort for a “last minute” trip.
That’s the downside of DVC. The resale restrictions just make this downside a little stronger for Riviera resale buyers.
No, it won’t force Disney to change the restrictions. It will just be a warning that you shouldn’t wait till the last minute.

 

[CarolMN]

Those who purchase DRR via resale will soon learn to book early. - just as those VGF owners who prefer studios and BWV owners who prefer standard view villas (and AKV value & concierge and etc.) have earned to do.

It will be many years before availability becomes an issue, and even more before there might be enough complaints to make DVC / DVD consider a change.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

I dont know. I keep playing this out in my head. I have had times when I needed to change or move dates around in the 4 or 5 month window. Will resale RIV owners be stuck. Between all the direct of all resorts and grandfathered resale buyers, what will happen? BCV and BWV food and wine weekends are near impossible to book in 11 month window. Will RIV be the same? Will resale buyers be stuck?

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

I dont know. I keep playing this out in my head. I have had times when I needed to change or move dates around in the 4 or 5 month window. Will resale RIV owners be stuck. Between all the direct of all resorts and grandfathered resale buyers, what will happen? BCV and BWV food and wine weekends are near impossible to book in 11 month window. Will RIV be the same? Will resale buyers be stuck?

Yes. They will be stuck if there is no availability. You are not guaranteed a room at the resort you want on the days you want unless you buy a guaranteed week. Period. Disney didn’t stop the owner from booking when there was still availability.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

Yes. They will be stuck if there is no availability. You are not guaranteed a room at the resort you want on the days you want unless you buy a guaranteed week. Period. Disney didn’t stop the owner from booking when there was still availability.

Yikes! This makes RIV resale points a tough swallow.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

Disney is like the "Ferengi" of Star Trek, they will only do something if there is a profit in it. This would not.

Rule of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money... you never give it back.
Rule of Acquisition #2: The best deal is the one that brings the most profit.

They got big ears too.

Rule of Acquisition #66: Someone's always got bigger ears.

 

[supersnoop]

I'm just curious how they have to restrict access to members who own at other resorts. It seems like they'd have to reserve enough inventory for resales purchasers who can't transfer out.

 

[Sandisw]

I'm just curious how they have to restrict access to members who own at other resorts. It seems like they'd have to reserve enough inventory for resales purchasers who can't transfer out.

They don’t have to reserve a thing, RIV resale buyers are aware they are buying restricted points,

So, if one doesn’t book early enough...before the trades can happen...then they could be stuck and may lose points in the end,

It is not up to DVC to make sure resale owners can use their points in any other manner than the rest of us.

 

[Sandisw]

I dont know. I keep playing this out in my head. I have had times when I needed to change or move dates around in the 4 or 5 month window. Will resale RIV owners be stuck. Between all the direct of all resorts and grandfathered resale buyers, what will happen? BCV and BWV food and wine weekends are near impossible to book in 11 month window. Will RIV be the same? Will resale buyers be stuck?

They will be if they don’t plan ahead or if they can’t change things. That is the drawback of buying points restricted to only resort,

So, anyone buying will learn the importance of booking early and the obstacles of last minute changes.

It wont be the product for everyone. But, as mentioned, it’s not up to DVC to fix it, The buyer will have to adjust or lose points.

There are buyers, though, who won’t mind them because they will buy them for specific things. Or, someone like me who has plenty of other points to use,

Adding more RIV cheaper than direct to go with what I did buy there will allow me to book larger rooms for family stays and not worry about other points.

So, there will be a market for the points, but it will be smaller than for other resorts.

 

[supersnoop]

They don’t have to reserve a thing, RIV resale buyers are aware they are buying restricted points,

So, if one doesn’t book early enough...before the trades can happen...then they could be stuck and may lose points in the end,

It is not up to DVC to make sure resale owners can use their points in any other manner than the rest of us.

But that throws the entire system out of balance. The points used from other resorts needs to balance the home resort points spent elsewhere.

 

[Sandisw]

But that throws the entire system out of balance. The points used from other resorts needs to balance the home resort points spent elsewhere.

No, it does not, The only balance that has to happen in the system is that the points charts at the resort has to balance with points sold,

Other than that, things go by trading rules, Once the 7 month window hits, then all owners can reserve the other home resorts....assuming those points are vallid,

Owners, resale or direct, are currently guaranteed a 1 month advantage, That is it, Right now, we enjoy a 4 month advantage.

So, at that point, it’s fair game and if an owner loses out, that is on them.

Of course, trading out allows other to trade in...but there is no requirement it has to balance.

 

[AvidDisReader]

Purchasers of Riviera from Disney would still be in the same position as other resort owners and have the ability to reserve any open resort, such as SSR, when making late reservations. Over the last ten years, the modern DVC has proven over and over again how much it hates resale purchasers. It is unimaginable to believe the modern DVC would care whether Riviera resale purchasers could find a room when attempting to make late reservations, much less would consider doing something to alleviate the problem -- unless you can show it a way to make a big profit doing so, e.g., have a resale purchaser buy 125 new points from DVD and, if he does so, he gets to remove restrictions from 50 of the resale points he already has.

You are close, if I am not mistaken there is some verbaige that Disney can at a future time make the resale points like direct points for an upcharge. Sandisw, I believe you commented on this before.