Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

That is an ignorant and factually false statement. It's very insulting to the MANY members of the military that are Democrats or left-leaning Independents.

Contrary to what some Republicans would like to believe, they don't own the military. Our military is made up of Americans of all backgrounds and political leanings- including many on the left.
Bravo!!!
 
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Subscribing. Not putting an opinion on who should be Pres and this may or may not have been said before but I have a strong belief that whoever wants to be in the Oval Office should have served our country in the military.

I feel this way for Senate & Congress too. How can you vote our country into/out of war if you haven't laid down your life for it?

That's just my opinion.

I had never thought of that, but I couldn't agree more. As for obama, I was on the fence about him until he went to Germany and acted all presidential.. now he scares me..
 
I had never thought of that, but I couldn't agree more. As for obama, I was on the fence about him until he went to Germany and acted all presidential.. now he scares me..

so he scared you because he acted presidential.....:confused3 :confused3 ok....
 
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Subscribing. Not putting an opinion on who should be Pres and this may or may not have been said before but I have a strong belief that whoever wants to be in the Oval Office should have served our country in the military.

I feel this way for Senate & Congress too. How can you vote our country into/out of war if you haven't laid down your life for it?

That's just my opinion.

Well, say bye bye to most of the Bush administration using that litmus test!
 

I had never thought of that, but I couldn't agree more. As for obama, I was on the fence about him until he went to Germany and acted all presidential.. now he scares me..

Careful. The OS will turn on you in a second if you dare question the annointed one. Just ask many of the Hillary supporters out there.

Just smile and nod. It's safer.
 
Careful. The OS will turn on you in a second if you dare question the annointed one. Just ask many of the Hillary supporters out there.

Just smile and nod. It's safer.

And the McCain supporters around here are so kind and such great representatives for their candidate. :rotfl:
 
I had never thought of that, but I couldn't agree more. As for obama, I was on the fence about him until he went to Germany and acted all presidential.. now he scares me..
Heaven forbid he try to show the world that he is capable of representing the US in a manner befitting the presidency.
 
There have been a lot of Obama posts on here lately, and they really get heated. I thought I'd start a thread for people who won't vote for Obama — not because we dislike him, as many of his supporters suggest (how in the world can you dislike someone you don't know?) — but because his potential presidency scares the heck out of us.

Here's why I'm scared of Obama:

1) He has no leadership experience at all. He has never run anything, never been responsible for anything. I think of the bosses I've had with zero (or very little) leadership experience, and it was always a disaster. Leader of the free world takes some leadership skills, and he just doesn't have any at all. I've never heard a word from anyone he's ever worked for about him, and I'm sorry, but work as a "community organizer" is just plain phony. If you got a resume for an important, high-level job with that listed as the applicant's chief "work" experience, you'd throw it in the garbage and have a good laugh. Even when he worked a short time as an attorney, I've heard not one word ever about a case he handled, a case he won, etc. And as to his being a "law professor," he's never written a single scholarly article about the law. That is unheard of in academe. Even as an Illinois State Senator he voted "present" on bill after bill, meaning he had no commitment to it one way or the other. And his time in the U.S. Senate (under 200 days) was simply too brief to be considered as any kind of meaningful experience. He simply has no track record as an employee of any kind, so his potential presidency scares me.

2) Susan Estrich — a staunch Democrat and former campaign chief of the Dukakis presidential run — reminded us today that only 8 years ago Barack Obama's credit card was denied when he tried rent a car at the Democratic National Convention. Here's the link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/arrogance_wont_win_the_electio.html
Now, 8 years ago Barack Obama was a father and nearly 40 years old, yet his own financial house was in such disarray that his credit cards were being denied. That suggests to me a man who had not yet reached full adulthood in his late 30s. We need a president who has been a full-fledged adult for at least a decade or so. Again, leader of the free world is an important job.

3) I know his supporters will go insane when I say this, but Sen. Obama is deeply conflicted about whether or not he loves his country. Please don't tell me that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." I — and many others — believe that recognizing and embracing the profound greatness that is the American experiment is the highest form of patriotism. Is it a perfect country? Of course not, but name one better. Sen. Obama can speak very eloquently about America's faults, but he has very little to say about her virtues. He went to Germany and apologized for his own nation, for God's sake. To Germany! If anyone owes the world an apology, well…you get it. I was struck, watching Obama with French President Sarkozy yesterday how easy and genuine it was for Sarkozy to gush about American freedom and liberty, and how I've never heard similar sentiments expressed from Sen. Obama. It's old news, I know, but he sat in a church for 20 years while anti-American venom was spewed from the pulpit, and it didn't bother him. It bothered Oprah Winfrey, by the way, who resigned her membership in that church years ago, but it didn't bother Sen. Obama. I believe it didn't bother him because he agrees that this is an evil nation, and he is wrong. I don't want to vote for someone who wants to "fix" an evil nation; I want to vote for someone who wants to lead a great one.

4) Sen. Obama has close friendships with people who — when they disagreed with their government during the Vietnam War — committed acts of domestic terrorism with the group Weather Underground. Link here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
This friendship is more than casual — as Obama insists — but even if it were casual, how many terrorists do you have as casual friends? Again, I am astonished that Sen. Obama wasn't repelled by these peoples' violent past, but I think he wasn't because he believes what they did was acceptable. Again, this reinforces #3 above. Some of our greatest Democratic presidents would have been repelled by these awful people — Kennedy, Roosevelt — but not Obama. He is so conflicted about his own nation that he can't recognize the inherent evil in domestic terrorists. He's either terribly immature, lacks the judgment of an adult, or sees my country so radically different than I do that I simply could never support him to be its leader.

5) Sen. Obama does not believe we are at war with worldwide jihadists who want to destroy the Western world. As a matter of philosophy, he believes we have caused Islamic radicals to hate us, and if we just talk to them and give them some of what they want, they won't ever attack us again. In short, he believes such radicals can be reasoned with. Well, they don't call them radicals for no reason. Radicalism is the opposite of reason. I believe the global jihadists want worldwide dominion and submission of all non-believers — and I believe it because that is what they've said they want. Such aggression must be met with superior firepower and the willingness to destroy that which seeks to destroy you. Sen. Obama is not willing to do that. He has never spoken out against the human rights abuses in the Arab world, only the alleged human rights abuses by the US in fighting this war on terror. Quite simply, he seems to be on the wrong side of this war, so his presidency scares the heck out of me. As the mother of daughters, anyone who would defend a group that subjugates women to chattel will never, ever get my vote.

6) Obama believes that it is appropriate for government to redistribute the nation's wealth through grossly unfair taxation. Such schemes tend to destroy capitalist economies, and since capitalism is the only economy that has ever lifted so many out of poverty (check out data on our "poor" compared to the poor in developing socialist/marxist countries), I anticipate an Obama presidency would do a great deal of damage to our economy — and Wall Street agrees (see link: http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/02/obama_stirs_ill_wind_on_wall_s.html). Moreover, my money is my money. I earned it. I want to keep it. If you want more money, go earn it yourself. An Obama presidency may well destroy the pension funds of countless Americans, making them utterly dependent on government, which is exactly where I'm afraid Sen. Obama would like them.

Okay, there's a few to chew on. So, why are you scared to death of an Obama presidency?

ITA.
 
Is it only me or does anyone else dislike the Obama sticker that is an O with looking like the sun going down over a hill. I think its disrespectful showing the stripes of our flag on the ground. :confused3
 
If you consider the example of the nutcase in Tennessee who just shot up a UU church and killed two people because he 'hates liberals' you might think the right-wing has more than their share of crazies with guns. :confused3


btw, HI HOLLY!
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Hey there stranger. It's great to see you. :flower3:
 
Heaven forbid he try to show the world that he is capable of representing the US in a manner befitting the presidency.
But he didn't. He didn't show for the troops. Sorry, but for someone who wants to be president, that was a must. Heck, for a US Senator it was a must.
 
But he didn't. He didn't show for the troops. Sorry, but for someone who wants to be president, that was a must. Heck, for a US Senator it was a must.

He visited the troops when he was in the Middle East, he showed for the troops. Heck if you look at the negative false ad of McCains you can see him playing basketball with the troops, when the ad refers to him working out at the gym, he was with the troops. But don't let the facts get in your way.
 
He visited the troops when he was in the Middle East, he showed for the troops. Heck if you look at the negative false ad of McCains you can see him playing basketball with the troops, when the ad refers to him working out at the gym, he was with the troops. But don't let the facts get in your way.
He visited some of the troops, but he didn't visit them in Germany. It was on his schedule and was taken off by his campaign - and then they tried to blame it on the Pentagon. But, hey, don't let the facts get in your way either. He didn't show for the troops in Germany.

You know this wouldn't even be an issue if he had not originally scheduled it. Now it smacks of politics. Being presidential is making sure that never happens with the troops. And before you even start, yes I had the same feel from the "Mission Accomplished".
 
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I have a strong belief that whoever wants to be in the Oval Office should have served our country in the military.

John McCain does not share your view:

In an interview on the November 19, 2001, edition of National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation, host Neal Conan said to McCain, "[T]here's concern that leaders of the country, people in Congress -- fewer and fewer of those have served in the military." McCain replied:

McCAIN: Well, that's true, but I don't accept the notion that you have to have served in order to be an adequate or, in some cases, historically speaking, an outstanding commander in chief. Abraham Lincoln had a brief experience with a militia. Ronald Reagan served in the studio area when he was on active duty and --

CONAN: Making training films, yeah.

McCAIN: Right. Yeah. President Roosevelt had very limited -- so I don't -- I'm not sure -- I don't believe that you have to have had military service. But I do think, as -- as President Bush is doing, if you surround yourself with people who are highly qualified, as President Roosevelt did during World War II, that -- that you -- that more than compensate -- compensated for. In other words, in order to lead the country I think there are qualities which are more important than having had military service.

Read the whole article here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200807220001

I feel this way for Senate & Congress too. How can you vote our country into/out of war if you haven't laid down your life for it?


Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone lays down their life for their country, they're dead...kind of makes it hard to vote (unless of course you are registered in Chicago).
 
I appreciate that most Americans are very patriotic. But there are a couple of lines in the original post that bothered me, as a Canadian.

One is calling the American president "Leader of the free world." I know it's a commonly-used phrase in the US, but you know, Canada is a free country and the president is NOT our leader. Our government sometimes makes different decisions - such as the decision NOT to fight in Iraq, to support legal same-sex marriages, to give new mothers a year's maternity leave, etc.. You can say he's Leader of the most powerful country in the world, and I'll go along with that. But if the president is our leader, I want a vote.

Secondly, the poster said "Our country is not perfect, but name one better." Well, I think Canada is better. That's why I live here. (Okay, you do have WDW, which is pretty nice, but all the same I pick Canada.) In fact, the UN rates quite a few countries higher than the US in their "best places to live." You are perfectly entitled to think the US is the best country to live in, but many people around the world feel just as strongly about their homelands or adopted countries. And as the UN ratings show, there are objective reasons to consider several other countries better than the US.

I'm not bashing the US here, just wanting to remind you that there are people from many nationalities reading these Boards and that statements like this get under our skin.

Teresa
 
New Gallup Poll apparently has McCain up by 4 points. Very interesting.
 
I appreciate that most Americans are very patriotic. But there are a couple of lines in the original post that bothered me, as a Canadian.

One is calling the American president "Leader of the free world." I know it's a commonly-used phrase in the US, but you know, Canada is a free country and the president is NOT our leader. Our government sometimes makes different decisions - such as the decision NOT to fight in Iraq, to support legal same-sex marriages, to give new mothers a year's maternity leave, etc.. You can say he's Leader of the most powerful country in the world, and I'll go along with that. But if the president is our leader, I want a vote.

Secondly, the poster said "Our country is not perfect, but name one better." Well, I think Canada is better. That's why I live here. (Okay, you do have WDW, which is pretty nice, but all the same I pick Canada.) In fact, the UN rates quite a few countries higher than the US in their "best places to live." You are perfectly entitled to think the US is the best country to live in, but many people around the world feel just as strongly about their homelands or adopted countries. And as the UN ratings show, there are objective reasons to consider several other countries better than the US.

I'm not bashing the US here, just wanting to remind you that there are people from many nationalities reading these Boards and that statements like this get under our skin.

Teresa

I think you might find this interesting.

What Does the "Leader of the Free World" Mean?



The term free world originated from the Cold War, when it was used to distinguish between democracies, specifically the United States and Western European countries, and the communist Soviet Union and its allies. As the United States led the war against communism, the President of the United States came to be known as the “leader of the free world.” This term is often used today because of the hegemony exercised by the United States and the power of the presidency itself. As president, a leader can begin a war, overturn legislation, and build diplomatic relations among countries.

Much of the power inherently understood within the term “leader of the free world” revolves around the president’s role as commander-in-chief of the military. The US army currently has over 1.4 million personnel on active duty. US bases are found in Japan, South Korea, Germany, Italy, and the United Kingdom.

The US also has the largest military budget in the world, which, as of 2006, is 441.5 billion dollars. This budget is six times larger than that of China, the country with the second largest military budget in the world. The number of troops within the US military is not as high as that of other countries, simply because conscription is no longer used.

Referring to the President of the United States as the “leader of the free world” is debated by other countries that also fought for democracy during the Cold War. There are also concerns about the use of the word "free". During the Cold War battle between ideologies, African, Asian, and South American countries, which cannot clearly be defined as democracies and therefore “free”, supported the United States and Western Europe. Currently, countries with non-democratic governments can be considered free.

Nevertheless, the term “leader of the free world” is still associated with the United States, although the international use of the term “leader of the free world” often refers to the country rather than the presidency. In addition to the military power that the United States has, the term also applies to the values and ideals for which the country stands: equality among all, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to pursue happiness.
 
New Gallup Poll apparently has McCain up by 4 points. Very interesting.

What I heard was that the Gallup poll which had Obama up was taken of registered voters, and the one taken with McCain up was taken of those who say they are likely to vote.
 





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