Why Doesn't DVC turn the Yacht club into Villas ?

[crisi]

Conferences that big don't care about one wing of Yacht Club, just like they don't care about one building of Grand Floridian or the lousy views at Jambo. If Disney needs to flip some aging hotel stock, Yacht Club is on the chopping block.

Coronado has space. If Skyliner goes to Coronado, they have tons of space to the north between Coronado and TTC.

They absolutely do - convention attendees want to be near the convention - they don't want those DTD rooms - frankly they'd rather not be over at the GF because you need to take transportation to get to the session. At the point at which you outgrow the room availability close by you start to look at places where you don't need to bus your attendees around - the convention center area in Orlando, Vegas, Indianapolis.

I've run conventions and I've been involved in moving them due to lack of hotel rooms nearby. There are two big reasons you pick a location - will the convention space be sufficient for your sessions and activities and are there enough nearby hotel rooms. Then you get to "do our attendees want to go to Boston/Vegas/Indianapolis? and what's the cost." Big conventions don't get away from using buses to ferry attendees around - but they do want to minimize that, both because its expensive to provide buses and because the rooms near the sessions have the most demand.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I will say, though, that in addition to the large conference I attend at DLH each year (+/- 1,400 attendees), there are also a number of law conferences I attend annually around the country that are far smaller, but attract a high spend per attendee crowd. All of them are typically contained within a single hotel and probably attract 200-300 attendees, with maybe 500 tops. They often include a day of golf either before or after the conference proper. Conference prices for attendees, exhibitors, and sponsors are always significantly higher and are expected to be so. While you might send an associate or two to the big conference, many of these smaller ones are geared towards the named/equity partner demographic and priced accordingly. Others might not be so "exclusive", but still demand premium rates. They all are more intimate and afford the opportunity to network in more personal settings, meaning lots of food and wine spend.

Those events are usually held at a higher end location such as the Marriott Marquis San Diego (private marina), the Hotel del Coronado, the Four Seasons Chicago, the Hyatt Regency Hill Country Resort or La Cantera Resort in San Antonio, the Las Colinas Resort in Dallas, and in Orlando, at the Ritz-Carlton Grande Lakes. Those smaller conferences are perfect for locations like YC. The size is manageable, the per-attendee spend is high, and there's a good likelihood that attendees will bring family along on the trip (higher disposable income).

I can definitely see a niche for YC, and why Disney would be hesitant to give up that convention space. Save the larger space at Coronado Springs for the Denny's manager conference.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I will say, though, that in addition to the large conference I attend at DLH each year (+/- 1,400 attendees), there are also a number of law conferences I attend annually around the country that are far smaller, but attract a high spend per attendee crowd. All of them are typically contained within a single hotel and probably attract 200-300 attendees, with maybe 500 tops.

YC regularly host CME that is along these lines. Single hotel block. This is an example set - you can see they do float a bit around which hotel they block into, based on size of event and facility need. The smaller ones like to use the GFC space, which is pretty small, and the larger ones tend to use BC/YC. A couple still use the Contemporary center, which is kind of dingy: https://www.mceconferences.com/destination/walt-disney-world-florida/

 

[Doberge]

The story I heard is they have a small buildable area the other side of the road. If they move the road and parking lot, they could build a tower at BCV or YCV.
No clue how accurate this is.

Across the road is a pretty big plot where the plan was for a separate resort with multiple smaller buildings around lakes, think like OKW and Saratoga. Would have tied into the front of EPCOT. This plan was DVC specific and distinct from more recent rumors about a park entrance resort actually build at the entrance. Red pin is the area that was considered for DVC. The site drawing is out there somewhere.

 

[maui22]

Across the road is a pretty big plot where the plan was for a separate resort with multiple smaller buildings around lakes, think like OKW and Saratoga. Would have tied into the front of EPCOT. This plan was DVC specific and distinct from more recent rumors about a park entrance resort actually build at the entrance. Red pin is the area that was considered for DVC. The site drawing is out there somewhere.

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Wow, that area is huge.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Believe it or not, some of us want the hotel experience, and not the timeshare experience.

(Former large DVC point holder)

 

[SL6827]

Additional rooms built for DVC at the Yacht would really put more pressure on SAB, right? Making SAB more crowded and unpleasant at times could backfire for Disney?

 

[Yankee626]

Across the road is a pretty big plot where the plan was for a separate resort with multiple smaller buildings around lakes, think like OKW and Saratoga. Would have tied into the front of EPCOT. This plan was DVC specific and distinct from more recent rumors about a park entrance resort actually build at the entrance. Red pin is the area that was considered for DVC. The site drawing is out there somewhere.

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OK ! I'm IN !

 

[maui22]

Additional rooms built for DVC at the Yacht would really put more pressure on SAB, right? Making SAB more crowded and unpleasant at times could backfire for Disney?

Polynesian tower is added to an already over-crowded pool at that resort. Seems Disney is on a cash pursuit. On the positive side, there will be a new CEO before anything would be done at BCV/YCV area.

 

[Yankee626]

Polynesian tower is added to an already over-crowded pool at that resort. Seems Disney is on a cash pursuit. On the positive side, there will be a new CEO before anything would be done at BCV/YCV area.

I also think about that stupid little pool they added with BLT. Its ridiculous for that Huge resort.

 

[maui22]

I also think about that stupid little pool they added with BLT. Its ridiculous for that Huge resort.

Agree. June 2022, BLT pool had temps over 100 degrees because it's so small. Family decided temps were uncomfortable in Florida summer heat so they went to the CR pool which isn't great but at least the temps were not bathwater.

 

[Yankee626]

Agree. June 2022, BLT pool had temps over 100 degrees because it's so small. Family decided temps were uncomfortable in Florida summer heat so they went to the CR pool which isn't great but at least the temps were not bathwater.

It seems small and shallow. Who designed it ? Actually the whole resort (BLT) is poorly designed and cheaply done. Its an eyesore on Bay lake. I hope the Poly Tower is done better and fits in. So far it looks like its shoehorned inbetween the VGF and the POLY.

 

[gmi3804]

Additional rooms built for DVC at the Yacht would really put more pressure on SAB, right? Making SAB more crowded and unpleasant at times could backfire for Disney?

There'd be (arguably) fewer people staying at YC if it had 1-, 2-, and 3-BR villas, than there are now with mostly studio rooms that can hold up to five.

 

[SL6827]

There'd be (arguably) fewer people staying at YC if it had 1-, 2-, and 3-BR villas, than there are now with mostly studio rooms that can hold up to five.

I meant if they built an additional building for DVC.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Polynesian tower is added to an already over-crowded pool at that resort. Seems Disney is on a cash pursuit. On the positive side, there will be a new CEO before anything would be done at BCV/YCV area.

They are building a pool at the Tower. The pools may not be shared between the tower and longhouses. No one knows yet.

 

[maui22]

They are building a pool at the Tower. The pools may not be shared between the tower and longhouses. No one knows yet.

It is technically possible, but would be odd for guests staying in the Polynesian longhouse that's closer to the Tower pool than most guests who will be staying in the Tower rooms.

 

[Jwaire]

It seems small and shallow. Who designed it ? Actually the whole resort (BLT) is poorly designed and cheaply done. Its an eyesore on Bay lake. I hope the Poly Tower is done better and fits in. So far it looks like its shoehorned inbetween the VGF and the POLY.

Cheaply done? You might not like the architectural style, but DVD spent a fortune on BLT including getting the land ready to build and having a famous New York architect design the building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Gwathmey

 

[Jwaire]

They are building a pool at the Tower. The pools may not be shared between the tower and longhouses. No one knows yet.

Yeah, like they're going to tell Poly Tower owners they can't use the volcano pool or hotel guests they can't use the pool directly outside their patios/balconies.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Cheaply done? You might not like the architectural style, but DVD spent a fortune on BLT including getting the land ready to build and having a famous New York architect design the building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Gwathmey

Nothing about that tower was cheaply, done, including hiring Gwathmey (and I'm not even particularly fond of it).

 

[Sandisw]

They are building a pool at the Tower. The pools may not be shared between the tower and longhouses. No one knows yet.

If the tower pool is declared as part of the DVC associations common elements, regardless of whether it’s PVB or a new one, why would the hotel still the. give access to its own pools to DVC owners if the DVC pool would be lImited?

I can’t see any situation where all the pools won’t be available to all guests at the resort.

If Poly tower is added to PVB, those guests will have to be given access to the current pools because that is how it’s written in the POS.