Why does DCL allow smoking?

[justmestace]

Perhaps because, unlike adults sitting at the bar drinking, the smell and presence of smoke legitimately bothers the non smokers passing by. Not enough to pay attention to smoking areas, mind you. But enough to mention.
I grew up associating early memories of my grandmother with smoking smells (she has since quit) and the smell alone doesn't bother me personally. My DH is quite sensitive to the smell and it nauseates him.
Even with that, when I run laps and there were people smoking (outside the smoking hours) I was hacking up a lung. Apparently smoke fumes and running don't mix.
I don't know.
I'd be fine if the ship was non drinking and nonsmoking, but I understand they have decided that it is more profitable to allow these in there places on board.

I mean the ones who are obviously just being obnoxious.

 

[justmestace]

It doesn't matter how long the cruise or how little you believe the exposure to second hand smoke is.

Actually, the full quote from the Surgeon General goes on to say that it is in reference to smoking INDOORS.

If you're going to quote, use the whole thing and keep it in context.

 

[justmestace]

Here's the thing...thousands and thousands of people cruise on DCL every week....every three or four days, in fact.

Only once in a blue moon does someone come back and report that their vacation was "ruined" or that they couldn't use their balcony. On the whole, I think people are very careful and respectful of others.

There's really no point in getting worked up over it in advance of your cruise, as the odds are, you won't have a problem.

It is what it is, and it's not worth all the fuss.

 

[ColonFamilia]

Actually, the full quote from the Surgeon General goes on to say that it is in reference to smoking INDOORS.

If you're going to quote, use the whole thing and keep it in context.

It absolutely does not say that. HERE is the report.

I won't quote that whole page as anyone who is interested can click that link to the US Surgeon General website and read the report about second hand smoke.

It mentions a smoky room in ONE section about how second hand smoke causes heart disease.

Even a short time in a smoky room can cause your blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability.

That's halfway down the page in a subsection about second hand smoke and how it causes heart disease. To say that ONE reference to a smoky room implies that everything in the Surgeon General's report about second hand smoke has to do with indoor second hand smoke is what would be taking something out of context.

 

[TLSnell1981]

The new viking cruise ship that is coming out will only allow smoking on one particular area of the ship and not at all on verandahs. It would be nice if disney would do the same

Yes, this would be nice. At least, we would be able to avoid designated smoking areas.

 

[justmestace]

It absolutely does not say that. HERE is the report.

I won't quote that whole page as anyone who is interested can click that link to the US Surgeon General website and read the report about second hand smoke.

It mentions a smoky room in ONE section about how second hand smoke causes heart disease.

That's halfway down the page in a subsection about second hand smoke and how it causes heart disease. To say that ONE reference to a smoky room implies that everything in the Surgeon General's report about second hand smoke has to do with indoor second hand smoke is what would be taking something out of context.

You and I apparently are reading it differently, because I'm taking away that it IS talking about indoors....and I found another quote where it specifically states that, but I'm not on my computer. I also understand it as saying what I said before, that it's especially harmful to people who are already compromised.
But, I realize that we are both firm in our beliefs, so I'm finished discussing it with you. No hard feelings.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Here's the thing...thousands and thousands of people cruise on DCL every week....every three or four days, in fact.

Only once in a blue moon does someone come back and report that their vacation was "ruined" or that they couldn't use their balcony. On the whole, I think people are very careful and respectful of others.

There's really no point in getting worked up over it in advance of your cruise, as the odds are, you won't have a problem.

It is what it is, and it's not worth all the fuss.

I have never met a "respectful" smoker when they are in need of a fix. I've had smoke blown in my face when I've asked someone, politely, if they would kindly smoke away from an entrance to a WDW resort. It was not a DSA. Smoking is an addiction! I'm sure there are nice folks that won't blow smoke at me....I'm also sure that if I'm around smokers I need my recuse inhaler. So...do I stay home and lock my doors or do I try and change policy so that myself and family are not exposed for even one moment to anyones addiction.

Not getting worked up, just trying to ensure my vacation, which includes an obstructed veranda (to avoid being subjected to an irritant to my lungs)is not ruined because I like fresh ocean air

"It is what it is" ...just the attitude I was talking about.

Sorry...I'm officially off my soapbox and will continue to fight for non-smokers rights!

 

[justmestace]

I have never met a "respectful" smoker when they are in need of a fix. I've had smoke blown in my face when I've asked someone, politely, if they would kindly smoke away from an entrance to a WDW resort. It was not a DSA. Smoking is an addiction! I'm sure there are nice folks that won't blow smoke at me....I'm also sure that if I'm around smokers I need my recuse inhaler. So...do I stay home and lock my doors or do I try and change policy so that myself and family are not exposed for even one moment to anyones addiction.

Not getting worked up, just trying to ensure my vacation, which includes an obstructed veranda (to avoid being subjected to an irritant to my lungs)is not ruined because I like fresh ocean air

"It is what it is" ...just the attitude I was talking about.

Sorry...I'm officially off my soapbox and will continue to fight for non-smokers rights!

Just to clarify, I meant DCL's policy, for now, is what it is.
Everyone has the right to contact them to try to get it changed. I have no problem with that.
And I'm sorry smokers have been rude and evil to you. Myself, as a smoker, well, I've grown used to the hostility directed at me, and it just makes me try to be more careful. I wish everyone were like that.

 

[Jillpie]

Okay....I have a question, and while this has happened to me, I've not ever had the chance to ask the person why they feel the need to do this....so here goes....

If I'm in a designated smoking section, why do some people feel the need to walk by and start "pretend" hacking?? Or waving their arms around and complaining about the smoke? Or any number of the other things non-smokers do?


I don't drink, but I also don't walk past people sitting in the bars and lounges and make noises about them being drunks...or whatever.....

Because its gross. Smoke is gross. It's not the smoker, it's the smoke. That is why you get that response. That person has to walk thru it. And smell it. And inhale it. And it's gross.

 

[MillauFr]

Why don't the smokers switch to e-smokes? Then no one will complain.

 

[JKSWonder]

I am seriously not arguing with you, but I'm curious....why especially on a ship?

I read this as the poster saying that a fire caused by a dropped cigarette is worse on a cruise ship then a fire on land. Easier to evacuate a house on fire. Not as easy to evacuate a ship on fire that's out to sea. At least, that was my interpretation of the post.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Why don't the smokers switch to e-smokes? Then no one will complain.

I'm not sure what DCL's policy is on the electronic cigarettes, but other cruiselines still require them to be used in the smoking areas only.

Not defending smokers particularly, but it's their choice to smoke, and as long as they do it in the proper areas, I have no right to tell them they can't. Or to tell them to quit.

As to the original question "Why does DCL allow smoking on the verandhas? ", because DCL (as well as other cruiselines) recognizes that banning smoking isn't a money making move. Each cruiseline determines where they will allow it, and DCL has decided that verandahs are acceptable. That's it.

 

[ColonFamilia]

No hard feelings.

There absolutely are no hard feelings Smokers feel very strongly about their right to smoke and nonsmokers feel very strongly about their right not to be subjected to smoke.

All the discussion contained within this topic clearly demonstrates that. I respect your point of view but for the sake of my health and the health of my family I stongly disagree with it.

Several smokers (not you Stace) have suggested that nonsmokers should keep their opinions to themselves, choose a cabin without a veranda, or take their business to another cruiseline. That is patently absurd. That viewpoint comes from a group whose control over where they can smoke has been rapidly taken from them by the rest of society (but for the better of the rest of society). They want nonsmokers to keep quiet and not upset the status quo so that (in their opinions) they don't lose more than they already have.

To ask nonsmokers, which are the overwhelming majority, to go elsewhere to enable smokers to partake in an addiction that is scientifically proven to be harmful to everyone else around is completely unreasonable. To ask them to be quiet, put up with it, and subject themselves to the inhalation hazards of someone else's addiction is equally unreasonable. How unreasonable is it to ask a smoker to go to a remote, designated location away from the living quarters of the majority to partake in their addiction?

It's abundantly obvious that we ALL are here because Disney flows through our veins. I have faith that with enough feedback from faithful Disney vacationers who express their concerns over this issue that the DCL policy about smoking on verandas will change...just like they changed in Disney resort hotels and just like several other cruiselines have steadily changed their policies. It will happen. It is only a matter of when.

As I stated before, as it stands smokers are completely within DCL guidelines when they smoke on their verandas. As it stands, nonsmokers who find themselves next to a smoker on a veranda can either deal with it or remove themselves from the situation.

It doesn't mean that I agree with or like DCL's policy. Like has already been said, I respect that currently it is what it is. I disagree with their policy, like the vast majority seems to, and hope we can be agents of change in regards to the policy by expressing our opinion. To quote a logical, pointy-eared hero of mine, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

 

[Kendal]

As an ex smoker I can say a smoker is goin to among wherever they are allowed... I myself didn't try to upset a non smoker but its was my right to smoke..... I think there is a compromise somewhere... But like I sai a smoker will smoke where we they are allowed....

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[gigi1313]

Smokers feel very strongly about their right to smoke and nonsmokers feel very strongly about their right not to be subjected to smoke.

Some non-smokers feel strongly about smokers right to smoke... like me!

 

[Kendal]

I have said time after time there should be some compromise...... As a ex smoker also I would smoke where ever I could and now not smoking I don't wanna smell it.... There needs to be a certain place for people to smoke.... Where non smokers won't go.... Kinda like would u go to a bar I u didn't drink???

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[justmestace]

Why don't the smokers switch to e-smokes? Then no one will complain.

They ARE also less expensive in the long run, but they don't taste or feel the same.

I use them as a replacement sometimes, but it isn't the same.

 

[MillauFr]

They ARE also less expensive in the long run, but they don't taste or feel the same.

I use them as a replacement sometimes, but it isn't the same.

Sounds good. I'm sure quitting will be very difficult. I just wish the cigarette companies wouldn't add chemicals designed to make it almost impossible to quit. What they have done to smokers is criminal.

 

[DMMarla07860]

Okay....I have a question, and while this has happened to me, I've not ever had the chance to ask the person why they feel the need to do this....so here goes....

If I'm in a designated smoking section, why do some people feel the need to walk by and start "pretend" hacking?? Or waving their arms around and complaining about the smoke? Or any number of the other things non-smokers do?

I don't drink, but I also don't walk past people sitting in the bars and lounges and make noises about them being drunks...or whatever.....

Because some people don't think before acting first. I've seen this happen. I don't smoke, but my mom does. If people want to smoke I'm fine with it, I try to stay away from smoke as best I can. But being near some hasn't effected me yet

 

[neg58]

I think smoking from the verandahs will be gone soon, and then from deck 4, and only allow on the upper decks. It wasn't that long ago that we could all smoke at our desks and in conference rooms, in bars and restaurants, in hospitals (!). Then businesses started restricting where and when people could smoke, then cities and states made those restrictions law. In a few states, you can't smoke in a 'workplace', so that means not in hotels, bars, restaurants, malls. At all. You cannot smoke on federal property. I drove by a hospital in my town and wondered 'What's going on?" when I saw all the people lined up in scrubs and other uniforms plus some in street clothes; I honestly thought it was a fire drill or something, but no, it was smokers and they had to go across the street, off city property, to smoke. They couldn't even smoke in their own cars if they were parked in the lot.

Anyway, I think Disney will follow the trend and soon there will be smoking only in a limited area and then probably gone. I think the verandahs will be next to go.

Nancy