Why can't I be like this?

No - happy that we are accepted for who we are, and accepting of others as they are. I would think that you would get the importance of that.

:lmao:

Tardiness is not only a character flaw, it can cost you greatly in life. Try being late to court, or to work, and then try to explain away your behavior to the judge or your boss by saying, "Hey man. Just be accepting of me for who I am." :hippie:

Is being gay a character flaw? ;)
 
I appreciate you giving us the benefit of the doubt. We have very good friends. Every one of our friends has some hangup or another - everyone on the planet does. They accept us as we are, and we accept them as they are. Those that we have come across who were not willing to accept us as we are have simply not become our friends.

We have no shortage of friends. My wife, who is the one with this problem in particular, has more close friends than any person that I have ever met. She is an absolutely wonderful human being. She just has no sense of time or desire to develop one.

Frankly, I don't understand people who place these kinds of demands on other people. Be like me in this regard or be judged. I could never do that. :confused3

I wasn't talking about the punctuality thing, as you explained that is how your wife is, but I was questioning your above comment, on a more general basis, but maybe you were just talking about being late for social occassions?

I don't place many demands on others either, but that is not what this is about. Common courtesy, which is what being punctual is, implies that you respect that person's time, as much as your own. When you are continually late, or with spouses who refuse to replace items that they have used the last of (eg. toilet tissue), it shows a total disregard for others, and it is highly selfish, as it implies that their time is more important than everyone else they come into contact with. Your friends are ok with this, and probably don't see it as lack of courtesy. I have dealt with this my whole life with most of my immediate family - we are talking about being late for funerals, weddings, etc, and that is unacceptable. I'm sorry, but forgetting the time because you were watching the football game, is not a good excuse for being late. I find when things are a priority for people, they do what they can to make them work, but when they aren't, such a punctuality for many people, they expect the rest of us to deal with the lateness. Just like you feel it's unfair to expect people to accept your lateness, I think it's unfair to expect me to accept your lateness. I have low blood sugar, and so if I had to wait so long for you to arrive for dinner, I might end up in serious trouble.

Please don't think I am judging your wife, as that is not my place to do, but your comment about how you approach life, really does speak to how you perceive the other people around you, and her always being late, speaks to how she feels about the others around her, unless of course, she has a learning challenge in the time management area that prevents her from being on time (I have several family members like this, but they really do try hard to be punctual).

It sounds like you have a caring group of friends who love your wife, and they have no issues with enabling her behaviour, as they are able to work around it for the sake of your wife. My take is a bit different, but they aren't my friends! It sounds like you have a solution that works for you at the moment.

Tiger :)
 
I feel like such a nerd because I am always early and usually the first one to show up for anything.
 
Hi! Sorry I'm "late" to respond to this topic. :lmao: I am one of those people that are late! I'm not hours late, just a few minutes. Just can't seem to get there on time! I don't do it to be rude or inconsiderate or certainly not being childish because I'm late. Its hard to explain, but I have every intention on getting there on time. I'm not late on purpose. I don't expect people to wait on me. Maybe I'm late because I was born late:confused3 who knows? I have a tendency to put things off or wait until the last minute to do something. I feel I work better under pressure. Sure its stressful sometimes, but thats just the way I am I guess. Probably will never change. :)
 

well, you know, I don't really feel its my place to determine what is or is not ok for an adult. We are talking 15-20 minutes here, if everyone is that hungry by all means, have a roll.

I guess you never eat at restaurants that refuse to seat you until your entire party is present. I wouldn't either, if I were hanging out with habitually late people.
 
I wasn't talking about the punctuality thing, as you explained that is how your wife is, but I was questioning your above comment, on a more general basis, but maybe you were just talking about being late for social occassions?

I don't place many demands on others either, but that is not what this is about. Common courtesy, which is what being punctual is, implies that you respect that person's time, as much as your own. When you are continually late, or with spouses who refuse to replace items that they have used the last of (eg. toilet tissue), it shows a total disregard for others, and it is highly selfish, as it implies that their time is more important than everyone else they come into contact with. Your friends are ok with this, and probably don't see it as lack of courtesy.

Please don't think I am judging your wife, as that is not my place to do, but your comment about how you approach life, really does speak to how you perceive the other people around you, in respect to problematic behaviours, such as being late, and her always being late, speaks to how she feels about the others around her, unless of course, she has a learning challenge in the time management area that prevents her from working with time (I have several family members like this, but they really do try hard to be punctual).

It sounds like you have a caring group of friends who love your wife, and they have no issues with enabling her behaviour, as they are able to work around it for the sake of your wife. My take is a bit different, but they aren't my friends! It sounds like you have a solution that works for you at the moment.

Tiger :)

To be clear - they are not enabling anything. They accept her and love her, as she is. They do not get upset at her behavior. Not sure how you can't see the difference between gladly accepting and tolerating.
 
Hi! Sorry I'm "late" to respond to this topic. :lmao: I am one of those people that are late! I'm not hours late, just a few minutes. Just can't seem to get there on time! I don't do it to be rude or inconsiderate or certainly not being childish because I'm late. Its hard to explain, but I have every intention on getting there on time. I'm not late on purpose. I don't expect people to wait on me. Maybe I'm late because I was born late:confused3 who knows? I have a tendency to put things off or wait until the last minute to do something. I feel I work better under pressure. Sure its stressful sometimes, but thats just the way I am I guess. Probably will never change. :)

Exactly - my wife never intends to be late, but she always is. :confused3
 
Do we really want to start allowing others to decide whether or not who we are and what we are is wrong or right?

But by being late, your wife is doing exactly that - she is telling her friends that showing up at the agreed-on time is unimportant, even if they felt it *was* important. So she's telling them that who they are (a person who believes punctuality is important) is wrong. Being late isn't "who you are," like being gay or Armenian or web-toed. Being late is what you do. If it bothered her enough, she could change it. And it doesn't, so that's fine - she seems to do well enough as she is. But do not pretend that being late is "who she is" or "what she is." It is the way she chooses to behave. And it IS a choice. It is completely within her control.
 
To me, no. To others, yes.

Do we really want to start allowing others to decide whether or not who we are and what we are is wrong or right?

Maybe someone should start a campaign...the "free to be late" campaign. Equal rights for "late types". :hippie: There could be a flag.

They could sell shirts that could serve as a warning to the rest of us who are considerate of others' time. The shirt could have a clock on it with one of those "no" signs which marks through the time reminder.

:thumbsup2
 
To be clear - they are not enabling anything. They accept her and love her, as she is. They do not get upset at her behavior. Not sure how you can't see the difference between gladly accepting and tolerating.

Well of course they are gladly accepting her behaviour, but they are also enabling it. How can you not see that? By not ever making it a big deal, they are allowing her to be who she is, and they do love her for who she is, you are correct about that, but by doing that, she will always be late. What if one of them told her that it was really difficult for them to tolerate always eating so late, like with my low blood sugar? Would she drop them as a friend, or, would she work on being punctual?

I suspect this is where the OP is at, as her friend doesn't seem to change her behaviour either, as everyone seems to tolerate it.

Tiger
 
Maybe someone should start a campaign...the "free to be late" campaign. Equal rights for "late types". :hippie: There could be a flag.

They could sell shirts that could serve as a warning to the rest of us who are considerate of others' time. The shirt could have a clock on it with one of those "no" signs which marks through the time reminder.

That's fine, but I don't think laters should be allowed to marry. They'll have kids who are even later than they are. And they'll recruit punctual people and turn them into laters. It ain't right.:sad2:
 
That's fine, but I don't think laters should be allowed to marry. They'll have kids who are even later than they are. And they'll recruit punctual people and turn them into laters. It ain't right.:sad2:

:lmao: :lmao:
 

Oh, sure, you can laugh now, but look what Bamafan's wife did. She took a man who claims he hates being late and made him consider her constant lateness perfectly acceptable - even endearing. It's a slippery slope, people!!!
 
But by being late, your wife is doing exactly that - she is telling her friends that showing up at the agreed-on time is unimportant, even if they felt it *was* important. So she's telling them that who they are (a person who believes punctuality is important) is wrong. Being late isn't "who you are," like being gay or Armenian or web-toed. Being late is what you do. If it bothered her enough, she could change it. And it doesn't, so that's fine - she seems to do well enough as she is. But do not pretend that being late is "who she is" or "what she is." It is the way she chooses to behave. And it IS a choice. It is completely within her control.

No - she isn't judging them and they aren't judging her. Not sure why this concept is so hard.

Only those among us who are perfect can expect perfection from others. Since I am not on that list, I try not to judge others' imperfections.
 
No - she isn't judging them and they aren't judging her. Not sure why this concept is so hard.

Hmmm. If she's not judging them by saying "people who value punctuality are wrong," why do you feel people who say "I value punctuality" are judging HER?
 
Well of course they are gladly accepting her behaviour, but they are also enabling it. How can you not see that?...

Enabling implies that the behavior is viewed as a negative and tolerated. That is not the case among our friends.
 
Hmmm. If she's not judging them by saying "people who value punctuality are wrong," why do you feel people who say "I value punctuality" are judging HER?

Because you are, in this thread. She hasn't posted a word in this thread. She would probably laugh at me for even posting in this thread. She doesn't get the vitriol on the Dis, which is why she doesn't post here.
 
Oh, sure, you can laugh now, but look what Bamafan's wife did. She took a man who claims he hates being late and made him consider her constant lateness perfectly acceptable - even endearing. It's a slippery slope, people!!!

Yes, she did. Isn't love wonderful. :cloud9:
 
Maybe someone should start a campaign...the "free to be late" campaign. Equal rights for "late types". :hippie: There could be a flag.

They could sell shirts that could serve as a warning to the rest of us who are considerate of others' time. The shirt could have a clock on it with one of those "no" signs which marks through the time reminder.

:thumbsup2

No, we don't want others to be like us - or to agree with us. We are who we are. No need for flags or marches. But thanks for the support. :upsidedow
 


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