Why all the double talk?

[Eastern]

The phantom tipping advice annoys me. I don't think you should tip on an expensive entree if you get an app for dinner, or that you should tip on 3 courses if you get 1 or 2. Should people also tip for the most expensive entree if they get a hamburger? It's ridiculous. If the server does not like the pay, get a different job. I'm done worrying about making the server happy when I'm the customer.

 

[nco91590]

Yeah, so you can technically do "whatever you want" as a paying customer. But there are societal norms that dictate that sitting at a table for 2 hours and not actually eating, is inappropriate.

 

[Nebraska_Disney]

Yeah, so you can technically do "whatever you want" as a paying customer. But there are societal norms that dictate that sitting at a table for 2 hours and not actually eating, is inappropriate.

Would love to see this list of societal norms. I'd like to know how many of them I break and not even know it. So, if I sit at that same table for 2 hours and get a coke and a cupcake, I am good in the view of society????

 

[Nancyg56]

Would love to see this list of societal norms. I'd like to know how many of them I break and not even know it. So, if I sit at that same table for 2 hours and get a coke and a cupcake, I am good in the view of society????

What some of us have tried to say is that as a customer you are not forced to tip at all. We get that. We also know and agree that poor service should not be rewarded. However.....in the event a customer chooses to sit in a TS restaurant and has decided that all they order is a beverage and dessert, and then sit for several hours to either see the fireworks or to kill time, it is pretty stinkin rude to leave 15% after taking up a table that the server is relying on for income. In the event the server decides after an hour or two t o stop refilling the cup, and the patron then decides the server is now providing poor service....and then reduces the gratuity...is this fair?

Now you can do what you want, but when some of us discuss how this impacts the servers...well perhaps we have experience waiting tables as well...and know how that works. I know I do. And I can attest to the fact that when a party tied up one of my tables for several hours, using it to kill time or as a meeting table and left me next to nothing...I had an opinion. And it still is in place today.

 

[Anthony1971]

In NYC there are a number of restaurants that have done away with tipping they however have raised there prices on average 25%... remember if paying the salary of wait staff is included in the price the business also needs to pay taxes... whereas if you tip only the person receiving the tip pays taxes.. The time is coming where tips in the US will be no longer but the things on the menu that now cost 20 will cost 25... Bad service.. complain maybe you will get a free dessert.. do not forget to order the now 3.00 coffee (it was 2.50).
As far as people ordering a cupcake for ? to share to be first in line that is there business... I would never get my family out of bed an hour early drag them to restaurant they can not eat at (the whole purpose of going to restaurant) to be first in line for a ride that is a waste of time to me. I understand BOG is a theme restaurant (more upkeep) with servers (with salaries) although still a CS for some meals hence the prices...I would truly wonder if the would bring their family to the local BWM dealer help themselves to a specialty coffee some pastries maybe even take a test drive and purchase an overpriced keychain because you feel you need to purchase something as you had no intention of buying the car in the first place just wanted a free breakfast... However I am also sure if you asked to walk through the castle at an off time during CS time they would allow it without purchasing anything... you want a coffee and cupcake go when the park opens.. I highly doubt there are a lot of people who get to a park at rope drop to run to eat anywhere...

 

[aaarcher86]

Would love to see this list of societal norms. I'd like to know how many of them I break and not even know it. So, if I sit at that same table for 2 hours and get a coke and a cupcake, I am good in the view of society????

Eh, now it's just getting a bit ridiculous. I think you're self aware enough having two children to know when something is or isn't rude and/or frowned upon in the general sense.

You don't need a list to tell you not to sit down in the middle of a grocery store aisle. You don't need a list to tell you that tan leggings are a bad idea. And you don't need a list to know that it's rude to order a $10 meal and stare off to the abyss for a couple of hours "because you can."

Lord have mercy - I feel like I'm talking to my in laws :-/

 

[Nebraska_Disney]

LOL ! You made me smile

 

[DisBuckMan]

Eh, now it's just getting a bit ridiculous. I think you're self aware enough having two children to know when something is or isn't rude and/or frowned upon in the general sense.

Yep....trolls gonna troll.

 

[HopperFan]

You are correct, we can't change the system as it has been this way for a long time. What I can do as a paying customer, is not reward bad service. If the person wanting to be rewarded actually earns this reward for the service they provide, I have no issue giving 20-40%, and regularly do. I also have no problem leaving 5% if I feel that my service was below what was expected. What grinds my gears is that the 20% is EXPECTED regardless of performance, that is where the fatal flaw of the current system.

AND you continue to not understand or follow what is being discussed as an issue. It has NOTHING to do with tipping or not tipping, service levels or amounts.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Tips are actually a huge part of the servers salary. Whether we like the system or we do not, as it stands right now, Servers are paid below minimum wage and they add their gratuities to their earnings statements. Their employer does this as well when he files taxes either on a weekly or a monthly basis. They pay their taxes based on their earned income....including their gratuities.

Bold above is simply not accurate. A salary is a guarantee. Tips are set up as a way to reward service -- they are NOT guaranteed in this country. What gets claimed on a tax return is not the point. My bonus gets claimed as income on my return -- it's linked to performance and is not guaranteed. That was my point.

 

[Nancyg56]

Bold above is simply not accurate. A salary is a guarantee. Tips are set up as a way to reward service -- they are NOT guaranteed in this country. What gets claimed on a tax return is not the point. My bonus gets claimed as income on my return -- it's linked to performance and is not guaranteed. That was my point.

Okay...if you want to say that tips are not part of a wage, you can. However...servers are required to pay taxes just like you and I, and they are claimed on weekly and monthly reports that employers are required to file. I understand that they are not guaranteed, but many employers insist that their employees claim at least a certain percentage of their sales in order to ensure that the employer is not held accountable in the event of an audit. I have no idea how Disney addresses gratuities for their servers and the multitude of people those servers share their gratuities with, and will no presume to guess, but it is not at all accurate to insist that gratuities are not part of wages. They are. In the unlikely event a WDW server does not meet minimum wage, Disney MUST make up the difference.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Okay...if you want to say that tips are not part of a wage, you can. However...servers are required to pay taxes just like you and I, and they are claimed on weekly and monthly reports that employers are required to file. I understand that they are not guaranteed, but many employers insist that their employees claim at least a certain percentage of their sales in order to ensure that the employer is not held accountable in the event of an audit. I have no idea how Disney addresses gratuities for their servers and the multitude of people those servers share their gratuities with, and will no presume to guess, but it is not at all accurate to insist that gratuities are not part of wages. They are. In the unlikely event a WDW server does not meet minimum wage, Disney MUST make up the difference.

I think I made my point pretty clearly. I'm working off of actual definitions for these things and you view things differently. So it is.

And AGAIN: I tip even when I honestly probably shouldn't. I'm not part of that particular problem. I'm off to continue stalking RoL package openings...

 

[DisBuckMan]

Bold above is simply not accurate. A salary is a guarantee. Tips are set up as a way to reward service -- they are NOT guaranteed in this country. What gets claimed on a tax return is not the point. My bonus gets claimed as income on my return -- it's linked to performance and is not guaranteed. That was my point.

You're trying to pick the fly crap out of the pepper. It's very clear that the pp meant INCOME, not necessarily salary.

Tips are nothing like a bonus. People who wait tables depend on tips to live...they're not just "extra" money to take Disney trips on. I hope no one depends on a bonus to live. Clearly a huge difference there.

 

[Nancyg56]

You're trying to pick the fly crap out of the pepper. It's very clear that the pp meant INCOME, not necessarily salary.

Tips are nothing like a bonus. People who wait tables depend on tips to live...they're not just "extra" money to take Disney trips on. I hope no one depends on a bonus to live. Clearly a huge difference there.

Thank you. This is what I meant, but clearly did not manage to state well.

 

[Pumbaa_]

Well this was a fun ride. At this point since this is not the debate board, nor is personal tipping habits a topic for discussion (don't make me go into detail on those train wrecks) it seems that this has come to a very painful end.

I do foresee bog morning adds getting a tad easier to get though