Why all the double talk?

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What also doesn't help is that you would keep reservations for 6 people at restaurant in which you have no intention of ordering food at. If you are only going to order coffee, there is a Joffrey's kiosk at the TTC.

This thread is discussing guests who make a reservation at a restaurant for some reason other than to eat anything there (for example, to see the décor, or to have a positional advantage for the opening of an attraction - the "first in line" phenomenon.) They don't care about the coffee or where else they might be able to get coffee. Although the poster you are quoting says they intended to eat breakfast there, but are unwilling to pay the new price, it's the same thing - if what they were really interested in is the breakfast, they'd cancel the reservation. They want to keep it for some other reason.
 
This thread is discussing guests who make a reservation at a restaurant for some reason other than to eat anything there (for example, to see the décor, or to have a positional advantage for the opening of an attraction - the "first in line" phenomenon.) They don't care about the coffee or where else they might be able to get coffee. Although the poster you are quoting says they intended to eat breakfast there, but are unwilling to pay the new price, it's the same thing - if what they were really interested in is the breakfast, they'd cancel the reservation. They want to keep it for some other reason.
If I was only interested in food I would eat a protein bar in my room. I AM interested in the whole experience - from the walk there to sipping my coffee in a castle looking at the beautiful décor. I won't waste my dinner desert on a cupcake but one for breakfast is very fun.

same for any meal - I enjoy the fireworks from California Grill, illuminations from Spice Road table, the ambiance at Jiko, the view at Artist Point.
 
Not everybody is the same. Some want to see the inside of BOG so badly that they will make a reservation to sit down and drink a cup of coffee and that's it.

Disney makes that possible. Whether or not it should be possible isn't relevant - it IS possible. Using the board to try and guilt people into ordering food or cancelling their reservation won't work. They want what they want. It will be that way until Disney changes something.
 
7DMT is just about the shortest, lamest ride and certainly NOT worth jipping waitstaff or screwing other families out of a table who actually WANT to eat there. The dog eat dog mentality of Disney these days is what will be the ruin of this park. Not DDP, or higher ticket prices. It's the complete lack of concern for your fellow park goers. It's greedy and just plain weird.
 

Has nothing to do with waitstaff. BOG breakfast is considered counter service. Tipping is not required.

Haven't been to breakfast but I have been to lunch and there wasn't any tipping.

Not sure if the previous poster is referring to the mentality of Disney the corporation or the mentality of the guests. If Disney wants, they could make the BOG breakfast just like other fixed price venues - you are there, you pay the price. But they don't. And no matter what one's opinion is about it, if Disney allows guests to sit at the table and eat a cupcake and nothing else, they'll do it.

That's why they will charge at buffets even for guests who are physically incapable of eating anything. For whatever reason WDW doesn't feel the need to apply a buffet type rule to BOG breakfast.
 
Has nothing to do with waitstaff. BOG breakfast is considered counter service. Tipping is not required.

Haven't been to breakfast but I have been to lunch and there wasn't any tipping.

Not sure if the previous poster is referring to the mentality of Disney the corporation or the mentality of the guests. If Disney wants, they could make the BOG breakfast just like other fixed price venues - you are there, you pay the price. But they don't.

No, you're right...we didn't tip there either. Maybe I'm confusing two different arguments going on here! I just think that nothing is worth being greedy about in WDW, and I'm referring to other park goers. This rope drop nonsense reminds me of people on Black Friday who trample other people for a TV. It's dumb.
 
I pretty much think the argument has to do with BOG because I can't think of any other restaurant where a lot of guests might want to book a reservation and order and pay for only coffee or a cupcake.

I've seen some requests to confirm that you can do that at California Grill just to see the view or Sci Fi just to watch the movies. You can. But lots of folks don't do it, at least not as many as say they plan on it for BOG. Even before the pre-opening breakfast, there were posters asking about the possibility of ordering cupcakes for dinner, just because they wanted to get inside but didn't want a meal for whatever reason.

There are some other pre-opening restaurants but they're all buffets or fixed price and you can't plan on just paying for a cupcake.
 
I guess we will agree to disagree. I don't receive compensation when the service is slow in a restaurant and I should not be punished for enjoying the themed atmosphere of many Disney restaurants. Like others have said, they are attractions and should be enjoyed as much/little as the paying customer would like, it is not being discourteous as Disney has me paying to be in the park already (for those places in parks). So you are saying, not only is a server tipped on providing good service, but for their time? New rules I guess.....

Restaurants are not attractions. Disney may theme them better but they are still just restaurants.

And that thought process doesn't work on most attractions either.
 
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Right, and that is why I think the original post is misleading. The only place folks seem to really suggest that the cupcake option may backfire is BOG, and honestly, we are discussing it here because it came up, but not because folks seem to complain about it. At least not enough for anyone to consider that we are bullies.

BOG breakfast is advertised as a fixed price meal, and I have often wondered why Disney has not enforced it. It really makes no difference to me, we usually get our breakfast there and it holds us til lunchtime. I have never noticed that this restaurant is overflowing with guests who are just drinking coffee, so I imagine there is room for all of us. The only thing that may make a difference in my opinion, and that will not happen while I use a CS credit on the meal, is that if enough people are stretching that tray of pastries, and helping themselves to beverages they have not paid for while they split their entree, the cost will continue to increase to cover that cost. If I paid full price OOP I might have a different opinion.

It has always been my opinion that if Disney allows something, then even if we have an opinion about the practice, it is not okay to tell folks they cannot do it. I always disliked ADR hoarding, and was pretty opinionated about it, but until Disney put their plan in place to reduce it, It was nto my business. Same with the dining sites. I was always too cheap to pay, but until Disney stopped the practice It was not my place to tell anyone what was right or wrong.

Time will tell what Disney will do to make more money from BOG, but until then....

I anticipate that BOG will eventually follow the model of "dessert only" being limited that some other restaurants elsewhere have adopted. My favorite swanky fondue place is a minimum of $100 a head for dinner and the atmosphere is amazing. You can go just for dessert... but not until 10 pm. Before 10 pm seating is limited to those ordering a full dinner for each member of the party. If people are pulling, "The 6 of us will share 1 cupcake" at BoG to get the pre-park timeslots, Disney will probably eventually make all pre-park meals prix fixe. It's not hard to do, it boosts their revenue and it really negatively impacts very few people who are spending enough for Disney to care about. (Because if 6 of you are splitting a cupcake, Disney does not care if you are upset. Really.)
 
I guess I don't see how this is any different than just sitting down and eating dessert at any other Disney restaurant. If Disney allows it then that's on them. Aren't there plenty of people who just make a lunch reservation at LTT just to eat the Toffee Cake? Why is that ok and this isn't? I'm sorry but I'm not going to pay $14 for my kid to eat cereal and $24 for a darn cronut. If we decide to do the dining plan then maybe we'd have a full breakfast here but at those prices, it's not happening. Now me personally, I probably wouldn't waste my time and rush to get my kids up early to get to a pre-park ADR to sit and eat a cupcake, I'd probably just make the reservation elsewhere where we could actually have a real breakfast. But as long as it's an option then people will do it and there's not really anything that's going to stop it until Disney makes it impossible. Just my two cents.
 
What also doesn't help is that you would keep reservations for 6 people at restaurant in which you have no intention of ordering food at. If you are only going to order coffee, there is a Joffrey's kiosk at the TTC.
This is my daughter's first visit for her 5th birthday, my second visit to MK ever (my first and only visit more than 10 years ago as a pre-teen), my husband's first visit since childhood, and we will enjoy entering the park a little early, seeing the beautiful castle, and ordering coffee and perhaps sharing a sandwich at BOG.

We don't even have a reservation to "get ahead of the game" and we already have FP+ for 7DMT for the afternoon. We're taking it slow because we're catering to a four year old little girl.

We're dining at 8:55 and actually liked the idea that everyone who got an early ADR just to get in get out will be long-gone by then so we can enjoy the ambiance of the castle. I really would love to eat an actual breakfast in the castle. Nope, not dropping our ADR, even if we end up just having coffee. :)

I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with this.


This thread is discussing guests who make a reservation at a restaurant for some reason other than to eat anything there (for example, to see the décor, or to have a positional advantage for the opening of an attraction - the "first in line" phenomenon.) They don't care about the coffee or where else they might be able to get coffee. Although the poster you are quoting says they intended to eat breakfast there, but are unwilling to pay the new price, it's the same thing - if what they were really interested in is the breakfast, they'd cancel the reservation. They want to keep it for some other reason.

Yes, it was never just about the breakfast. Even at previous prices, we could eat in our cabin, or at the Ft Wilderness camp ground quick service for less then $10 per person.
 
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I personally think so. Yeah. If the time is completely out of the ordinary. If the service is slow it affects the server as well. And personally, if it's ridiculous, I've been compensated adequately.

In a three hour window that table can turn 3x for three different tips. If you've taken it up for three hours for $15, yeah, I find that rude. In the same way I find it rude when people under tip to save money because they're on a budget.

The servers have to tip out other people. When we stay at BW3s to watch a football game and keep a table for four hours we make we sure we compensate for that.

If you disagree, that's fine. It's never a rule that people have common courtesy. Clearly.

So in the end, it all about $$$ ? Should it matter what I order? As a server, will you perform your job just as well if I order $100 worth of food or $10 worth of food, or are you just working for the tip? Common courtesy applies to both the guest and the server as well. In our bizarre world, the service fee (tip) has become expected and has grown over time for no real or economical reason (why was a 10% tip in 1980 perceived as great where a 10% tip today is perceived as insulting?). Common courtesy aside, if I go to Disney (not BW3's) and spend $8-10K on a trip, I am going to enjoy the trip in a way that fulfills my families wants/needs/expectations. If we want to go to SciFi and watch the movies and order drinks and dessert, this is part of our Disney trip, not some unwritten code of ethics that changes depending if you worked in the food industry before. If we want to go to BOG and split a meal as we are not hungry but want to see the ambiance of the dining room, it is none of our servers business and it is based upon how hungry we are. I am sure European visitors are shocked by what is "expected" as common courtesy when it comes to tipping here in the US.
 
We're dining at 8:55 and actually liked the idea that everyone who got an early ADR just to get in get out will be long-gone by then so we can enjoy the ambiance of the castle. I really would love to eat an actual breakfast in the castle. Nope, not dropping our ADR, even if we end up just having coffee. :)

I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with this.

I wouldn't bother justifying your plans to anyone, it sounds like you're trying your best to give your daughter a great experience! Hopefully they work out these odd pricing issues in time for your vacation.
 
I wouldn't bother justifying your plans to anyone, it sounds like you're trying your best to give your daughter a great experience! Hopefully they work out these odd pricing issues in time for your vacation.
Thank you! I appreciate this so much! I know I shouldn't care but I'm a bit too sensitive and don't like being spoken with as if I'm doing something wrong.

I'll focus on DD and make our vacation as magical as I am capable!
 
Thank you! I appreciate this so much! I know I shouldn't care but I'm a bit too sensitive and don't like being spoken with as if I'm doing something wrong.

I'll focus on DD and make our vacation as magical as I am capable!
Cupcakes for breakfast, what's more magical than that? :tink:

I'm actually looking forward to trying the grey stuff, so maybe it's a blessing in disguise !
 
So in the end, it all about $$$ ? Should it matter what I order? As a server, will you perform your job just as well if I order $100 worth of food or $10 worth of food, or are you just working for the tip? Common courtesy applies to both the guest and the server as well. In our bizarre world, the service fee (tip) has become expected and has grown over time for no real or economical reason (why was a 10% tip in 1980 perceived as great where a 10% tip today is perceived as insulting?). Common courtesy aside, if I go to Disney (not BW3's) and spend $8-10K on a trip, I am going to enjoy the trip in a way that fulfills my families wants/needs/expectations. If we want to go to SciFi and watch the movies and order drinks and dessert, this is part of our Disney trip, not some unwritten code of ethics that changes depending if you worked in the food industry before. If we want to go to BOG and split a meal as we are not hungry but want to see the ambiance of the dining room, it is none of our servers business and it is based upon how hungry we are. I am sure European visitors are shocked by what is "expected" as common courtesy when it comes to tipping here in the US.

I think you're overthinking what I'm saying, honestly.

That server doesn't benefit in anyway if you paid 8K or 2K for your vacation. You're on vacation, and that server is trying to earn a living. I'd fully expect a server to offer the same level of service for a cupcake or a 3 course meal. I couldn't care less what someone orders.

I simply think it's rude to sit at a table for 3 hours with a $15 bill and leave a $3 tip. You know you held that table well over the average. I think it's completely reasonable to tip extra for the additional time you decided to sit there.

BW3s was an example of HOW I view tipping for the servers time. I don't think it's fair to pull from someone's pocket because you feel like it. Do I like the way tipping has escalated in the US? No. And yes, I do think people who have worked in the food industry tend to have a more overall sympathetic approach than those that can't be bothered how their choices factor into someone else's life. Europe doesn't really factor into my opinion, but alright.
 
I bring up Europe as in every country I have visited in Europe, you pay for your meal and that is it. I have never been rushed out of a place in Europe as I am here in the states, as the servers are not working for tips, but working to serve their customers. One place kept bringing our group coffee refills after we had paid the check and we sat for a good hour more, no one was pushing us out. That is a huge problem in how dining is perceived here, as it is a volume race of the number of butts in chairs vs a dining experience where the establishment wants you back and will do their best to get you back as they win with butts in chairs all the time. I digress.....
 
I'm glad they are now charging for drinks. We went to BOG with 3 people and only 2 wanted to eat. My little guy has to eat the moment his eyes open, so he'd already had an uncrustable and Cheerios before we got to the park. We wanted to order a juice or milk for him ar BOG while the grown ups ate but there was no way to order just a drink. The CM at the register said don't worry about it, just get him the drink at the self service, but I felt funny about that, so I gave him my "drink" credit and I drank water. I really would have preferred to order and pay for the extra drink with the 2 BOG breakfast entrees.
 
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I honestly think this is getting blown out of proportion (Cupcake-gate!) because BOG is not going to be filled with tables of 6 people sharing 1 cupcake and 6 straws in a single bottle of juice. When I ate breakfast there, every table around me had one plate per person. I can't imagine that changing so drastically now just because there is a cupcake on the menu. I still claim that the % of people who would "take advantage" of an ADR to get a coffee and run is extremely small.

This restaurant could have easily been TS for all 3 meals, but I believe the format has been chosen to offer variety to us as visitors.
 
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