Who's the guy in the sky?

[fey_spirit]

Two points - neither a flame (at least not exactly)

1.) For what it's worth I think all sky writers are a little weird... and I didn't start calling him a nutjob until I got upset.
2.) If it didn't have the religiuos conotations, it wouldn't remind me of all the times I've been beaten verbally or otherwise by Christans who think that one line in the Bible is permission to attack another human being. Nor would I have to be reminded that while Christans are more then welcome, and can feel quite safe from bodily harm at least 99.8 % of the time, standing on a street corner telling everyone all about Jesus... the odds are (as my history has proven, and I wasn't even protholizing) I can't do the same without having my face beat in. I resent that, I resent living in the land of "the free" and knowing that half a dozen parts of who I am, make me anything but - and most of it is because of so called "Christan Morality".

I hear tell that there are good Christans out there - and I also hear tell that they are the majority. If that's the case why don't you guys stand up and do something about what is being done in the name of your religion. You feel the need to spread the teachings of Christ to the "heathen and uninformed" - why not take that energy and direct it at spreading the actual teachings of one of the most beautiful, poetic, and radical prophets of them all (yes, I mean Jesus) to those who are running around using his name as a weapon?

This thread has officially reached the limit of pointless.

My last statement to all of you out there who are non-christian is this.......not all Christians should be calling themselves as such. If you met a Christian (as a non Christian) who truly acted like they should, within their faith, you'd love them as anyone else.

Spreading the word, through clouds or anything else is simply a creative way, within legal limits, and considering people's views to spread a message. Nothing I saw with this sky writer EVER suggested anything negative. In fact, if it didn't say the word Jesus in it, most people would be lauding this gentlemen for what he says.

It's obvious that some hate Christians, and I understand why. As a Christian I've often told my wife that the way Christians react to things such as homosexuality and moral issues is why people hate them. If Christians did as Christ wanted, he'd accept those people in and he'd live amongst them, teaching of his values. Shoving people out and screaming at them is NOT Christian. Too many people here know too little about the faith and are listening to the Main Stream Media and Televanegalist to get their perception of a true Christian.

It's sad because personally I can get along with ANYONE and be respectful with ANYONE. I have a very unique situation of being able to talk religion with my Muslim professor in a loving way. She even hugged me one day. It's a shame that most people can't do that. That goes for both sides.

I think everyone should be more educated about others before coming in and calling others nutjobs and things like that.

 

[cardaway]

But we can allow a muslim paryer tower in EPCOT. Tell me this isn't right in your face.

http://www.wdwinfo.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=22969&sort=1&cat=502&page=6

It's called the "World Showcase". If you can't handle that there are countries where Christianity is not the majority religion then maybe Epcot is not for you.

BTW: Some of the buildings in the other sections are also religious in nature. Do you have a bigoted opinion of them as well?

 

[aliciaq]

It must be nice not to have to understand the other side, not to have to understand why it is a slap in the face to many. How we can be reminded of hate and violence by a message of love.

And what many Christans fail to understand is that by telling me all about your faith, even after knowing I don't want to hear it, it is an imposition on my faith. I also resent the way most Christans feel the need to tell me about their faith. It's not enough to simply educate - but it must be delivered with the force of a fist through hellfire and brimstone and "did you know you're going to hell" type speak. That is when it's not litterly being shoved down your throat with a fist (I spent a week in the hospital for no other reason then a "Christan" found out I was pagan and felt they needed me to force me to see things their way.) This need to "spread the good news" is the same ideology that led to the crusades.

I don't base my beleifs soley on what I have seen from others in the faith - though that alone is enough to make me run screaming in the other direction. I do know quite a bit about the religion (having at one point been a Christan) and what I found was that I had taken the red pill and I just couldn't go back to buying into the Bible. Too many contradictions, too much mysogny... as a Female, feminist, ****, who prefers to think of a female deity form - I thought Christanity was probably a really, really bad place for me.

If those types are in the minority, perhaps those who are in the majority should spend less time "spreading the good news" and clean up their own house first (own house - referring to the church and other so called Christans, not necessiarly you, and your own home).

You know, all the Chirstans I've known have been kind loving people too - until they found out I was diffrent... then it got ugly. Have you tried doing something they didn't belive in? Or seen how they react to those who are say maybe of another religion and proud of that - or maybe even ::Gasp:: gay? (The other time a "wonderful" Christan Lady sent me to the emergency room.

Yeah - trust me I know of spelling errors... and grammer errors.
I speak much better then I perform grammatical type skills.

Ok, you know I have to say sorry... and I do truly mean it. I cant even pretend to know what goes on in someone's mind or heart. But, I'm sure you can agree with me and say that someone who goes there (fist/hospital) is probably not a Christian. Sure, they may claim to be, but c'mon! There is a verse ( cant recall the exact one) that says "you will know them by their fruits" I think right there was the fruit of the Dr Suess kind, ya know? "A bad banana witha greasy black peel"

As for the cleaning house - I totally agree and I think alot of people are trying to accomlish that. Especially by showing that the Church (meaning the body. people) has changed. We arent "Self-rightious" (man, how do you spell that word LOL). Just a bunch of fun people (some more than others) that love Christ!

I have had friends that are not Christians. Some practice other faiths, some are agnostic, a few are athiests ans you can throw a few wiccans in there too. And, GASP - I have even socialized with people that are gay! (I mean c'mon - our favorite place on earth in WDW!) Does that mean I agree with everthing they believe in? Nope, not even close. But, I do love them, each and every one. And, I pray for them.

I am glad that you can understand the talking better than writing thing. LOL, we could have one heck of a conversation with no spelling or gammar errors.

Alicia

 

[aliciaq]

This thread has officially reached the limit of pointless.

My last statement to all of you out there who are non-christian is this.......not all Christians should be calling themselves as such. If you met a Christian (as a non Christian) who truly acted like they should, within their faith, you'd love them as anyone else.

Spreading the word, through clouds or anything else is simply a creative way, within legal limits, and considering people's views to spread a message. Nothing I saw with this sky writer EVER suggested anything negative. In fact, if it didn't say the word Jesus in it, most people would be lauding this gentlemen for what he says.

It's obvious that some hate Christians, and I understand why. As a Christian I've often told my wife that the way Christians react to things such as homosexuality and moral issues is why people hate them. If Christians did as Christ wanted, he'd accept those people in and he'd live amongst them, teaching of his values. Shoving people out and screaming at them is NOT Christian. Too many people here know too little about the faith and are listening to the Main Stream Media and Televanegalist to get their perception of a true Christian.

It's sad because personally I can get along with ANYONE and be respectful with ANYONE. I have a very unique situation of being able to talk religion with my Muslim professor in a loving way. She even hugged me one day. It's a shame that most people can't do that. That goes for both sides.

I think everyone should be more educated about others before coming in and calling others nutjobs and things like that.

Thank you for putting my thoughts down in a much better way than I am trying to do! Godd job!
Alicia

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Two points - neither a flame (at least not exactly)


I hear tell that there are good Christans out there - and I also hear tell that they are the majority. If that's the case why don't you guys stand up and do something about what is being done in the name of your religion. You feel the need to spread the teachings of Christ to the "heathen and uninformed" - why not take that energy and direct it at spreading the actual teachings of one of the most beautiful, poetic, and radical prophets of them all (yes, I mean Jesus) to those who are running around using his name as a weapon?

my thoughts as well:

people should first look at themselves and be the best example they can be and - as you have stated work on others who profess to be Christian, but do not stand as good examples of their faith.....

I think some are - check out "sojourners"...

I have a great deal of respect for a couple of the people who have come in and stated they are respectful and tolerant.... and would like to see more of that from fellow Christians

 

[carolfoy]

After all this pro-Christianity/ anti-Christianity debate I'm surprised no one has mentioned the completely non-environmentally-aware aspect of this guy - should he be 'allowed' to add more pollution to this already over polluted world just to get his point across? What he is doing is unlikely to turn a non-christian into a christian so he's basically not 'selling' anything.
BTW I saw him too, around 29th/30th September , we were in MK

 

[robinb]

what is wrong with the muslim prayer tower - and why aren't you citing the church in Norway as well.....

I like both of those beautiful buildings. My DH adores the Stave Church and he visits it on every trip. I much preferred when it was an explanation of how the churches were made and I looked forward to the beautiful music and a little slice of quiet. Now it is a homage to King Olaf I and his bloody conversion of the Vikings to Christianity. My husband still goes in, but I now wait outside.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I wonder if this thread would be different if the skywriter had scribbled 'Allah Akbar' across the Florida sky? At any rate, this is yet another fine, enjoyable Friday thread the likes of which pops up here from time to time. As a religious skeptic, I enjoy watching others argue over who has the best imaginary friend.

Bill From PA

Let's have another

 

[fey_spirit]

Are there enviormental concerns? I'm afraid I'm woefully under educated in this arena.

After all this pro-Christianity/ anti-Christianity debate I'm surprised no one has mentioned the completely non-environmentally-aware aspect of this guy - should he be 'allowed' to add more pollution to this already over polluted world just to get his point across? What he is doing is unlikely to turn a non-christian into a christian so he's basically not 'selling' anything.
BTW I saw him too, around 29th/30th September , we were in MK

 

[carolfoy]

Surely any unnecessary use of extra gas is an environmental concern?

 

[yaksack]

It's called the "World Showcase". If you can't handle that there are countries where Christianity is not the majority religion then maybe Epcot is not for you.

BTW: Some of the buildings in the other sections are also religious in nature. Do you have a bigoted opinion of them as well?

I have problems with people complaning about the occasional (?) message about about Jesus in the sky, but have no problem with a mosque. The other religions are peaceful. I do not remember a plane piloted by a buddhist crashing into the WTC.

What makes my statement bigoted?

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I like both of those beautiful buildings. My DH adores the Stave Church and he visits it on every trip. I much preferred when it was an explanation of how the churches were made and I looked forward to the beautiful music and a little slice of quiet. Now it is a homage to King Olaf I and his bloody conversion of the Vikings to Christianity. My husband still goes in, but I now wait outside.

I agree with your comments on the Stave Church!!!! - (although I was trying to highlight something else entirely to "yak...whatever...").

I had no idea what the prayer tower was - I simply appreciate both as examples of the architecture and culture of those places.....something I love to learn about - guess I am going to have to spend more time in Morocco next time - and actually learn what it is all about!!!!

 

[civileng68]

This post is completely gone at this point. It should be closed.

I'm amazed at the hypocracy in this thread. People want free speach but they dont, they want this but they dont, they are understanding but only of certain people.

This is rediculous.

 

[magicmato]

I have problems with people complaning about the occasional (?) message about about Jesus in the sky, but have no problem with a mosque. The other religions are peaceful. I do not remember a plane piloted by a buddhist crashing into the WTC.

What makes my statement bigoted?

Um... do you honestly blame the muslim religion for what some terrorists did? Do you blame Roman Catholicism for what Timothy McVeigh did?

 

[cardaway]

What makes my statement bigoted?

The other religions are peaceful. I do not remember a plane piloted by a buddhist crashing into the WTC.

 

[robinb]

I have problems with people complaning about the occasional (?) message about about Jesus in the sky, but have no problem with a mosque. The other religions are peaceful. I do not remember a plane piloted by a buddhist crashing into the WTC.

What makes my statement bigoted?

Vanna, may the poster buy a clue?

 

[fey_spirit]

You know posts like your's have forced me to re-evaluate my emotions.
It's not so much that I mind the message of faith, or even that it's not my faith. What I resent is the way the message makes me feel because I have been trained to fear the wrath of God through the hand of those who follow him. People speak of thinking the words would be "Praise Alaha" and fearing a terroist attack was coming... that's the kind of fear I feel around the "Praise God" types of message.

I love Christ, no I'm not Christan, but I do belive that he was one hell of a man and prophet. No, I'm not Muslim - but I do know that better then half of them are as horrified by 9/11 as we were. 9/11 was no more a fair representation of the Muslim faith - the the woman who put me in the hospital for being pagan is for Christans. Still something horrible happend to this country and we learned fear. Horrible things keep happening to me at the hands of Christans and I learned fear.

It's not the religion, or even the method of the message. It's the hand of fear that closes around my throat as I wait for the blows to begin that make me think this practice is horrible and should be stopped. And if I was the only person out there that feels this way I would say it's my problem and just stare at my feet the whole time, but the fact is I know that I'm not the only one. Far too many people pick up the Bible because they think that it gives them the right to become religion sanctioned bullies and far too many churches and hate groups (Got Hates Fags) support this beleif. There are too many victoms for me to be the only one who feels this fear.

You don't approach a rape victoms with unexpected touchs, even if they are just hugs and kisses. You don't talk about sex around them, or do anything that will remind them of what they have suffered. Is it so hard then, to undestand that those of us who have been beaten and battered by those who profess this kind of "love of god" might be gun shy and resentful of things that take us back to that place?

I like both of those beautiful buildings. My DH adores the Stave Church and he visits it on every trip. I much preferred when it was an explanation of how the churches were made and I looked forward to the beautiful music and a little slice of quiet. Now it is a homage to King Olaf I and his bloody conversion of the Vikings to Christianity. My husband still goes in, but I now wait outside.

 

[fey_spirit]

Um there is a big diffrence between the sky and a Mosque... nobody suggested shutting down the local catholic church.

I have problems with people complaning about the occasional (?) message about about Jesus in the sky, but have no problem with a mosque. The other religions are peaceful. I do not remember a plane piloted by a buddhist crashing into the WTC.

What makes my statement bigoted?

 

[cardaway]

This post is completely gone at this point. It should be closed.

I'm amazed at the hypocracy in this thread. People want free speach but they dont, they want this but they dont, they are understanding but only of certain people.

This is rediculous.

And your posts have only made it worse.

 

[robinb]

It's not so much that I mind the message of faith, or even that it's not my faith. What I resent is the way the message makes me feel because I have been trained to fear the wrath of God through the hand of those who follow him. People speak of thinking the words would be "Praise Alaha" and fearing a terroist attack was coming... that's the kind of fear I feel around the "Praise God" types of message.

Fortunately, I was not strongly indoctrinated in fire and brimstone as it appears you were. My Baptist upbrings was of the "Northern" variety.