Who will be watching Emily Maynard the Bachelorette? No Spoilers PLEASE

[Imzadi]

On to Jef:

Jef just drank some wine at their sit down dinner. Unless they replace the bottle with apple juice, it was white wine. I guess this is one place he left his Mormonism behind.

I loved the questions Jef asked Emily! Putting her in the tough spot. He is definitely much more mature than his looks. He is growing 'older' each episode.

And his upbringing is showing. That if one raises a child right, even when he finally moves in directions and decisions away from how he was brought him up, that one can be assured he will make the right choices & do the right things, even when the parent is no longer at his side.

When he & Emily talk, They really TALK. About themselves, each other, Rikki. The deeper stuff. I liked how he really wanted to ask HER questions about how right they both are for EACH OTHER. That this isn't all just a one sided deal, her being able to pick a guy. HE wants to know if she will be right for him. It's not a given.

When Emily talks to Sean it kind of still is small talk. "You're amazing." "So are you." When she talks to Arie, they mostly just kiss. Not even sure if he has enough brains to hold a long term conversation.


I love how JEF turned Emily down for the Fantasy Suite! That he took in Emily, Rikki, and both their families. He is the FIRST person in all the years of this show that said the families ARE involved in this process. What a guy!!!

 

[Imzadi]

Fantasy suite, eh? I would like one of the guys to say no, out of respect for her and Ricki. If they watched her on the last season with Brad they would know how she feels about that.

You got your wish!

I'll admit - in the beginning I wasn't a huge Jef fan, but I've really come to think he may be the best choice for her. She obviously cares for him, and he cares for her too, but he is really focused on being with her and Ricki. He seems like a genuinely nice guy and would be a great husband and dad. I think I really want to see her pick him in the end. Sean is very nice to look at, but I think the connection is stronger with Jef. Arie just skeeves me out. Not a fan of his at all.

Oh!!! Jef, you are truly the romantic gentleman I thought you were! He took Ricki, Emily, Emily's parents and his parents into consideration for the sleazy fantasy suite. So classy. He's pretty freaking cool.

Did you guys hear her say goodbye to Jef? She said bye honey. I really do love them together.

I said the exact same thing!

Just yesterday I said he was too young for her. I now think he is way mature and deeper that I originally thought he could be.

Where oh where can I find someone like Jef? I didn't think gentlemen like that still existed.

Utah.

I want one of him, too. Apparently, my first crush with Donny Osmond was on target after all. Too bad, all my choices after Donny turned into duds. I peaked at age 12 when it came to picking men!


Once when Donny Osmond was interviewing Valerie Bertinelli and she talked about the ending of her marriage to Eddie Van Halen. Donny asked her some really astute question about, "What if [this other situation] had happened instead at the end, and if you both had gotten some help to get through your difficulties. Do you think you would have remembered your love for each other and made the decision to work it through? Or would you still have gotten divorced??

Valerie was stunned at such a good question at first. Then when she took a moment to think about it, she turned to shock, then sadness & regret as she realized, that if someone in her own environment at the time, like Donny or his Mormon minister, had asked her the same question & could have helped her & Eddie work through their issues, she said she would have stayed married to him.

That's when you could see, that like Jef, Donny was raised in a way to first know, then be able to ask the tougher, deeper questions about life & situations. To be thoughtful, deep, have the right values in place. Definitely some good stuff to be said about being a Mormon.

 

[Wishing on a star]

OMG....
Here is Arie, talking to a woman who has a 6 year old... And who wants more babies.
He sleeps in til 9:00 a.m., and then stays out every evening...
It was like he didn't even realize how that must sound to Emily as a mother!!!! He didn't even assure her by saying that he would be ready for a huge change.... I have NEVER liked Arie. That all but turned my stomach.

Wake up call.... His comments about 'being a friend' to Rikki.... Here is what they said to me, very very clearly..... Ohhh I can be 'friends' and be there for the good stuff... but don't expect me to take on any responsibility any time soon. OMG.....

And, I seriously do not get that huge physical attraction that Emily seems to have for him. Ewwww!!!!!

Emily keeps talking about how conflicted she is between her 'heart', and 'every ounce of her body' (hormones)... and her head.

She also says she feels she must follow her heart.
She said over and over how she has gone thru the decision process following her heart, every time.

I also notice that no matter how great Jef is on so many levels, she has all but stated that she would not want to move to UTAH ( live as a Mormon ).... She would consider a fresh start, but NOT living, right there, as a mormon, as a really close part of Jef's family and community.
Emily is a wise woman!

She told Arie that she would have no problem moving to Arizona....

I have NEVER been a Sean fan.
I think that it all came out, with his immaturity and inability to love/commit. The minute I saw that he felt that the one opportunity for her and his family to meet and to get to know each other, as future husband and wife and family-member, was a time to add to the stress and put her on the spot with those horrid so-called practical jokes... Completely stupid, immature, disrespectful to Emily... I crossed him off my list right then and there.

Bottom line, I think I see why Emily is so upset...
She WANTS Arie!!!!
She freakin' WANTS Arie...
But, I think in her head, she knows that it would be a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

OMG....
Here is Arie, talking to a woman who has a 6 year old... And who wants more babies.
He sleeps in til 9:00 a.m., and then stays out every evening...
It was like he didn't even realize how that must sound to Emily as a mother!!!! He didn't even assure her by saying that he would be ready for a huge change.... I have NEVER liked Arie. That all but turned my stomach.

I know! When he said all that, my thought was great, he's an eternal bachelor which is the complete opposite of what Emily needs!

And, I seriously do not get that huge physical attraction that Emily seems to have for him. Ewwww!!!!!

I really don't get the attraction either. He always looks like he's been sucking on lemon, all puckered up and beady eyed. And speaking of puckered up, his kisses look like he's eating her face. Ick. Frankly he looks at Emily like she's a piece of meat IMO, like he can't wait to get her ahem, horizontal if you know what I mean.

Emily keeps talking about how conflicted she is between her 'heart', and 'every ounce of her body' (hormones)... and her head.

Completely agree. Sean was the logical choice, Arie was the hormonal choice and Jef is the complete mix of the two.

I also notice that no matter how great Jef is on so many levels, she has all but stated that she would not want to move to UTAH ( live as a Mormon ).... She would consider a fresh start, but NOT living, right there, as a mormon, as a really close part of Jef's family and community.
Emily is a wise woman!

I get the impression that Jef will go wherever Emily is. He seems like one of those guys who, when they fall, they fall hard and are committed.

She told Arie that she would have no problem moving to Arizona....

I caught that too.

I have NEVER been a Sean fan.
I think that it all came out, with his immaturity and inability to love/commit. The minute I saw that he felt that the one opportunity for her and his family to meet and to get to know each other, as future husband and wife and family-member, was a time to add to the stress and put her on the spot with those horrid so-called practical jokes... Completely stupid, immature, disrespectful to Emily... I crossed him off my list right then and there.

I liked Sean. But I agree that his immaturity came to the surface. It was clear on his hometown date that he was very guarded. And I agree about the practical joke thing. Poorly timed.

Bottom line, I think I see why Emily is so upset...
She WANTS Arie!!!!
She freakin' WANTS Arie...
But, I think in her head, she knows that it would be a disaster waiting to happen.

Her ovaries want Arie because, well it's clear they'd be making babies fast! But I don't think it will last either. Her attraction is obvious, but you can't base a relationship on JUST that. Or I guess you could if you aren't thinking long term?

 

[njmom47]

No internet at home for a week so had to wait to get to work to chime in. I pretty much figured Sean was going home last night...but he was sooo nice to look at. Agree with all you pps that Arie is just weird, and that they kiss alot with few words. Jef is a prize...what a great guy he seems to be.
I hate editing sometimes... the one preview moment made it seem as if she chooses neither one.

 

[connorlevismom]

Does anyone have the 3 videos saved? I swear that both Sean and Jef talked about Ricki and that Arie did not even mention her is in video. That right there would speak VOLUMES to me.

But maybe I just missed it.

 

[dzneelvr]

I was stunned she sent Sean homeand didn't think I'd react that way! it felt like she kicked a kitten. He may have had commitment issues but when he fell, he fell all the way and hard. It was even awkward to watch the entire goodbye scene; I felt like I was intruding. Sean gets my vote for the next Bachelor. now I wonder if she will take anyone. surely not Ari although I'd love to see Emily and Ari's mom go at itCant wait to see the finale!

 

[TLHB70]

Does anyone have the 3 videos saved? I swear that both Sean and Jef talked about Ricki and that Arie did not even mention her is in video. That right there would speak VOLUMES to me.

But maybe I just missed it.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was not able to log on to computer last night, but I did watch. I am JUST now able to get to a computer and was ready to type this exact thing after I read through all of the pages/posts from last night.

Sean and Jef mentioned Ricki in their videos. Arie did not. As a matter of fact, Arie said that it is like they are the only two people in the world. I understand what he meant, but he NEVER mentioned Ricki's name. I honestly thought that would have sealed the deal and that he was going home last night.

 

[TLHB70]

WHOA! Sean & how he treated a woman he was in a relationship with for THREE YEARS is a BIG. RED. FLAG! He knew he wasn't in love with her. She would talk about marriage a lot. And he would deflect the conversation and not talk about it. AND now he is holding back on his feelings in THIS relationship.

Plus Emily said his sister & family mentioned it in the plural: relationships. that he has been that way in ALL his relationships. He even said it at first, then deflected it down to ONE woman - for THREE YEARS.

HELLO Warning Signs!

In hindsight, I can see Emily thinking she's not waiting 3 years of him deflecting marriage & kids. She wants a child as quickly as is humanly possible and a relationship on track as quickly as possible to have that.

Later that nite, when they were sitting and she asked if if it got down to being the two of them and could he see themselves getting engaged, his face kind of twitched. His right eye kind of winked in a twitchy fashion. I know those professional body language readers would have said that was a signal he couldn't see it. Certainly not with both eyes open.

It was also so HARD for Sean to actually say the words, "I've fallen in love with you." More body language of how hard these kinds of feelings come to him?

I noticed this too. And, I admit, I thought it was bad for Sean.



However, after seeing Arie not mention Ricki's name on the video, especially after Jef and Sean did mention her, I thought for sure Arie would go home.
To me, that said so much.

 

[TLHB70]

Well, I liked Sean and Jef. Now Sean is gone.
Each week I like Jef more. He looks the youngest, but he behaves the most mature out of all three. I think he will make a great husband and dad. I think Arie is only physical for her. They never talk.
I hope she picks Jef!

 

[Lehuaann]

On to Jef:

Jef just drank some wine at their sit down dinner. Unless they replace the bottle with apple juice, it was white wine. I guess this is one place he left his Mormonism behind.

I loved the questions Jef asked Emily! Putting her in the tough spot. He is definitely much more mature than his looks. He is growing 'older' each episode.

And his upbringing is showing. That if one raises a child right, even when he finally moves in directions and decisions away from how he was brought him up, that one can be assured he will make the right choices & do the right things, even when the parent is no longer at his side.

When he & Emily talk, They really TALK. About themselves, each other, Rikki. The deeper stuff. I liked how he really wanted to ask HER questions about how right they both are for EACH OTHER. That this isn't all just a one sided deal, her being able to pick a guy. HE wants to know if she will be right for him. It's not a given.

When Emily talks to Sean it kind of still is small talk. "You're amazing." "So are you." When she talks to Arie, they mostly just kiss. Not even sure if he has enough brains to hold a long term conversation.


I love how JEF turned Emily down for the Fantasy Suite! That he took in Emily, Rikki, and both their families. He is the FIRST person in all the years of this show that said the families ARE involved in this process. What a guy!!!

Indeed! Courtship is a rarity these days and Jef does it well. But he also wants her to pursue HIM.

And although he has this fun, edgy side - he is taking this process very serious and not allowing the physical to cloud their decisions. Therefore, if he's not picked - everything will be okay and respectable. Just fantastic!

OMG....
Here is Arie, talking to a woman who has a 6 year old... And who wants more babies.
He sleeps in til 9:00 a.m., and then stays out every evening...It was like he didn't even realize how that must sound to Emily as a mother!!!! He didn't even assure her by saying that he would be ready for a huge change.... I have NEVER liked Arie. That all but turned my stomach..

Wow, I didn't catch him saying that. Yeah, EM, how's THAT gonna work for you and your daughter!

Wake up call.... His comments about 'being a friend' to Rikki.... Here is what they said to me, very very clearly..... Ohhh I can be 'friends' and be there for the good stuff... but don't expect me to take on any responsibility any time soon. OMG.....

And, I seriously do not get that huge physical attraction that Emily seems to have for him. Ewwww!!!!!

Emily keeps talking about how conflicted she is between her 'heart', and 'every ounce of her body' (hormones)... and her head.

She also says she feels she must follow her heart.
She said over and over how she has gone thru the decision process following her heart, every time.

That is exactly the way I translated his "friends with Ricci" comment to mean - he wants to take it slow and just be friends with her. More like something you would say to someone you aren't sure you want a commitment with. For him, just another boring, obligated conversation...

I also notice that no matter how great Jef is on so many levels, she has all but stated that she would not want to move to UTAH ( live as a Mormon ).... She would consider a fresh start, but NOT living, right there, as a mormon, as a really close part of Jef's family and community.
Emily is a wise woman!

She told Arie that she would have no problem moving to Arizona....

She said she was willing to move to Salt Lake.

Bottom line, I think I see why Emily is so upset...
She WANTS Arie!!!!
She freakin' WANTS Arie...
But, I think in her head, she knows that it would be a disaster waiting to happen.

I just don't get it. Why do these Bachelors/Bachelorettes always end the show with a risky person?!

his kisses look like he's eating her face. Ick. Frankly he looks at Emily like she's a piece of meat IMO, like he can't wait to get her ahem, horizontal if you know what I mean.

Ari would have been the first, hands down, to jump at the Fantasy Suite. No meaningful courtship necessary. Just ATTACK and sort out details later...even if the details include a little girl's future.

So, yeah, she's pretty much just a hot piece of meat right now. Makes me think of Vienna. Cut from the same cloth, those two.

I get the impression that Jef will go wherever Emily is. He seems like one of those guys who, when they fall, they fall hard and are committed.

Jef's a smart cookie. He may "date her hard" - but the commitment level will go both ways.

I was stunned she sent Sean homeand didn't think I'd react that way! it felt like she kicked a kitten. He may have had commitment issues but when he fell, he fell all the way and hard. It was even awkward to watch the entire goodbye scene; I felt like I was intruding. Sean gets my vote for the next Bachelor. now I wonder if she will take anyone. surely not Ari although I'd love to see Emily and Ari's mom go at itCant wait to see the finale!

Sean was holding back and he knew it. Did you notice they way he abruptly broke off their conversation and asked if they wanted to go in the water??? DUDE SERIOUSLY - You are in the TOP 3?! Just wow. Last night was the first night I was really disappointed in him.

 

[fairestoneofall]

i really hope she chooses Jef. i think he fits better into a future as a potential father for Ricki. i think that Arie is purely physical and doesn't seem the best potential father for a child. of course, he could mature, but he just doesn't seem anywhere near that "place" yet.

Jef is thoughtful and seems more ready to move into that position.

i had intense chemistry with an ex-BF. but he was not husband material and i knew it. there were a lot of things involved in our break-up, but that was something i considered while our relationship was deteriorating.

so, she'll probably pick Arie.

 

[kimmar067]

Crap, I missed Jer's questions! What did he ask???

....the really good ones: what is the wing span of the South American condor, who's buried in Grant's tomb, how many pounds of corn does it take to make a gallon of ethanol, who were the first inhabitants of North Dakota, yada, yada, yada - you know, the usual stuff.....

 

[kimmar067]

Sean was holding back and he knew it. Did you notice they way he abruptly broke off their conversation and asked if they wanted to go in the water??? DUDE SERIOUSLY - You are in the TOP 3?! Just wow. Last night was the first night I was really disappointed in him.

...yeah - it wasn't his best episode....

 

[kimmar067]

Oh!!! Jef, you are truly the romantic gentleman I thought you were! He took Ricki, Emily, Emily's parents and his parents into consideration for the sleazy fantasy suite. So classy. He's pretty freaking cool.

Did you guys hear her say goodbye to Jef? She said bye honey. I really do love them together.

...I heard. that. too.

 

[kimmar067]

Poor Sean. I really do like him but I think he didn't open enough, or as quickly as Jef and Arie did.

...hold on a sec - it took Jef a while to open up to Emily too....it wasn't until their London date did she begin to see him in a new light...

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

...hold on a sec - it took Jef a while to open up to Emily too....it wasn't until their London date did she begin to see him in a new light...

Yes, Jef was a little slow but when he did, he was really open. And that was before hometowns and certainly before the final three. Poor Sean, I'm sure he learned this lesson the hard way. Maybe he'll grow from it and become the next bachelor. One can only hope....

 

[kimmar067]

Yes, Jef was a little slow but when he did, he was really open. And that was before hometowns and certainly before the final three. Poor Sean, I'm sure he learned this lesson the hard way. Maybe he'll grow from it and become the next bachelor. One can only hope....

...personally, I'd prefer if he weren't the next bachelor - he just didn't do it for me....I think the final 'nail-in-the-coffin' was he and his family's warped sense of humor....

 

[Ride Junkie]

Ari would have been the first, hands down, to jump at the Fantasy Suite. No meaningful courtship necessary. Just ATTACK and sort out details later...even if the details include a little girl's future.

I think that's the real reason Emily didn't offer him the fantasy suite card. Not because she "didn't trust herself", but because she KNEW he would jump at the chance & she didn't want him to look stupid for being the only one not to respectfully decline. Oh, and somebody please hand Arie a blotting tissue for that oily face.

Jef is definitely the best choice. He seems like a genuinely good guy who would be a good dad to Ricki. I feel bad for Ricki though; how will she adjust if she is uprooted & moved across the country, away from the rest of her family?

 

[Imzadi]

Emily keeps talking about how conflicted she is between her 'heart', and 'every ounce of her body' (hormones)... and her head.

She also says she feels she must follow her heart.
She said over and over how she has gone thru the decision process following her heart, every time. . .[...]

Bottom line, I think I see why Emily is so upset...
She WANTS Arie!!!!
She freakin' WANTS Arie...
But, I think in her head, she knows that it would be a disaster waiting to happen.

Well, I liked Sean and Jef. Now Sean is gone.
Each week I like Jef more. He looks the youngest, but he behaves the most mature out of all three. I think he will make a great husband and dad. I think Arie is only physical for her. They never talk.
I hope she picks Jef!

I feel bad for Jef right now. If he was the one picked as the F1, it is so obvious she has that physical attraction for Arie. This is like when she was home watching Brad with Chantal. How is he supposed to feel knowing she is jones-ing for another guy over him? Had she & Jef met separately, at another time, and their relationship got to develop without Arie in the picture, they might have a really strong relationship.

But now Jef and especially his family all know she's hot for Arie. Remember how Jef said he broke it off with a girl that the family doesn't like. HOW are they supposed to get past the fact that she was so much more physically attracted to another guy OVER their own son/brother? No matter how spiritual they are and believe that is skin deep, on another level, they know physical attraction counts for a lot.

She said she was willing to move to Salt Lake.

I heard that too. Is Salt Lake City still not Mormon country? I've been to Park City for the Sundance Film Festival. It's basically a few streets for a town. But, during Jan, it's pretty progressive of an area. This way, they can have the more metropolitan influence she wants, to go shopping, have her nails done, etc., AND be out from right under Jef's parent's thumb and be able to develop their own lives. AND they'd be close enough to visit with Jef's family enough for Jef, and for Rikki to develop a real family centered life with all her cousins.

I just don't get it. Why do these Bachelors/Bachelorettes always end the show with a risky person?!

So, yeah, she's pretty much just a hot piece of meat right now.

On The Millionaire Matchmaker, on Bravo, a show so smutty, we don't even have a thread here, Patti, the Matchmaker, says that, "The pecker always does the picking." When a guy tries to pick the "nice gal" his mom would have picked for her, but the guy really isn't physically attracted, it never works out, especially when there was another girl at the mixer his pecker was interested in.

Had Emily met Jef without Arie in the picture, it might have worked out perfectly. But her "pecker" wants Arie. So we'll see how this goes. The "mom" in her own self may choose Jef, there is some attraction there, but she knows it's not on the level that she feels for Jef.

Yes, Jef was a little slow but when he did, he was really open. And that was before hometowns and certainly before the final three. Poor Sean, I'm sure he learned this lesson the hard way. Maybe he'll grow from it and become the next bachelor. One can only hope....

WHY is everyone STILL wanting Mr. Non-committal for the next Bachelor?