Whitney Houston dead

Sunshine, good catch: maybe the flooding incident was tied to Kristna. The prior link you are referring to is one I posted (to a credible source, Forbes), I copied it in again below. What still remains unexplained is another detail this Forbes report added: a flat screen TV in the room where the bathtub overflowed had been destroyed (screen was smashed in).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/12/whitneys-death-an-earlier-incident/
I was also wondering about the reported water leak in the ceiling below.

I also saw (only once) that a music industry exec in the room below WH's reported he'd heard two loud bangs as well. (Maybe the TV smashing?)
 
Bobby Brown wrote an autobiography entitled Bobby Brown: The Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing But.

Here's what he had to say about his addictions and his marriage to Whitney shortly before the book came out. (I have no idea how true it is.)

The 2008 article had him self-reportedly clean and sober for six years.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/345868
 
Bobby Brown wrote an autobiography entitled Bobby Brown: The Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing But.

Here's what he had to say about his addictions and his marriage to Whitney shortly before the book came out. (I have no idea how true it is.)

The 2008 article had him self-reportedly clean and sober for six years.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/345868

The title of the article is inaccurate, nowhere in it does he state he blames Whitney. He says he didn't use coke until after they were married but he admits to using drugs before that. Seems to me he is saying he is responsible for his drug use, the only thing that changed after marriage was the type he used.

He writes: "I never used cocaine until after I met Whitney. Before then, I had experimented with other drugs, but marijuana was my drug of choice. At one point in my life, I used drugs uncontrollably.

"I was using everything I could get my hands on, from cocaine to heroin, weed and cooked cocaine.
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No addicts can't cure or help themselves, but if they get professional help I believe they can be helped..

Actually addicts are the only ones who can help themselves. You can send an addict to every therapist or rehab in the world but if they don't want to stop using they won't. Have you ever actually known an addict? I have known quite a few unfortunately. The only ones I know who got themselves straight were the ones who accepted responsibility for their addiction. The ones who play the blame game(ie> Whitney's Oprah interview) are either still using or in a couple of cases, dead.
 

I was also wondering about the reported water leak in the ceiling below.

I also saw (only once) that a music industry exec in the room below WH's reported he'd heard two loud bangs as well. (Maybe the TV smashing?)

Pea, here is that report. It was a female industry exec who was actually staying on the 5th floor above Whitney's room and she heard those two loud bangs long after the flooding incident (she was woken from a nap by the banging right about the time on Saturday afternoon that Whitney was discovered in the tub):

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/02/12/what-happened-day-whitney-houston-died

But back to the flooding incident. Since we're on the subject of leaks, a British tabloid is now implying those are coming from the coroner's office. The Sun says cornoners have told the Houston family there wasn't enough water in Whitney's lungs to indicate drowning -- and that she instead died of a lethal cocktail of prescription drugs and alcohol.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4125129/Whitney-Houston-death-She-died-in-Beverly-Hilton-hotel-bath-after-48hr-binge.html
 
The problem is the addict has to be ready and really want to be helped. You can spend all the money in the world and put them into rehab after rehab, until they really want it, with their heart and soul, it won't stick.
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Most Rehabs are used to detox. That's the easy part..being dry and sober are two different animals. They can stop using, but their problems are still there. Addicts are emotionally and/or physically unable to cope with every day issues. Their entire life revolves around "using". Unfortunately, all the focus is on the addict. Long term treatment may "fix" them, but other dynamics remain the same (family, friends, environment, etc). This makes long term success difficult.
 
In the wake of reading an article this morning saying that Whitney Houston's family has been told she died of a prescription drug overdose, isn't it amazing that out of the last few celebrity drug deaths, they seem to have been under the care of a physician and died due to prescription drug overdoses, is this ringing any bells out there?

Whitney Houston
Heath Ledger
Michael Jackson
Anna Nicole Smith
Brittany Murphy

So, prescription drugs being doled out by idiot doctors or being used as a cover up for other addictions?

It's not that easy. Drug addicts are crafty and manipulative. There are very few prescription addicts that have just one doctor (like Elvis and Michael Jackson) prescribing everything. They hop from doctor to doctor, form hospital to hospital, from pharmacy to pharmacy. They buy other peoples prescriptions. They buy prescription drugs off the street. A few states have started a computer data base where you can track the prescriptions filled by someone and can see exactly what they have filled. As it is "Druggie" can go to hospital A and fill his prescription at pharmacy B, go to doctor C and fill his prescription at pharmacy D, go to urgi care clinic E and fill his prescription at pharmacy F, as so on, and so on, and no-one is the wiser.

When someone is addicted, they will stop at nothing to get their drug of choice. In addition, apparently, Houston mixed her prescription drugs with alcohol, so even if the prescription was on the up and up, depending on what she was taking that could have been a deadly combination.

What is sounds like, from all reports, is that she had several days of heavy drinking. She mixed that with prescription medication. She went in to take a bath, and fell asleep, or passed out, and slid under the water and drown.

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

I don';t think people that are addicted to drugs, are the ones who usually seek out help for themselves. It usually family members that do that.

You obviously don't have much experience or knowledge with or about addicts.

The 1st statement is the exact attitude that keeps them addicted and using. "Oh, you poor thing, it's not your fault." It most certainly is their fault. Addicts make a choice to do what they do and stay in the environment in which their addiction will be excused or accepted. It is called enabling. Getting clean and recovery are about accepting personal responsibility for your choices and the consequences of those choices.

...and you have been watching too much "intervention." It may certainly be families or loved ones that push some addicts into getting help, but, time and time again, experience has shown that the only addicts that achieve long term recovery are the ones who decide to quit for their own reasons (whatever they may be) Yes, they need love and support, but they must accept personal responsibility for their own recovery.

I will simplify. My husband smokes. He wants to quit smoking. (and is down to about 5 cigarettes a day...GROUCHY!) ...anyway... no matter how much I nag him and complain (and cigarettes are $8 a pack here, but I don't nag or complain) he is not going to quit until he is good and ready to quit. If he wants to smoke he will, he will hide it from me, he will do it at work. It needs to be his decision. I will help him, I will be supportive, but I can't do it for him.
 
The link below has a new spin on this saga that hasn't been covered by the MSM. I'm not vouching for it's accuracy, but there's enough detail in the story to imply this could evolve as a key tangent once the history of Houston is fully written.

http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=981370&showcomments=true

IF that story were to be true, it's only indicative of the current status of homosexuals in this country.

That being said, yeah, right.
 
The link below has a new spin on this saga that hasn't been covered by the MSM. I'm not vouching for it's accuracy, but there's enough detail in the story to imply this could evolve as a key tangent once the history of Houston is fully written.

http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=981370&showcomments=true

Related story:

http://www.edgenewyork.com/?129914

Honestly, what difference does it make?

At this point, does it really matter if she was lesbian, straight, or bisexual??
Who cares?

Drugs and alcohol can destroy you no matter what your orientation.
 
Honestly, what difference does it make?

At this point, does it really matter if she was lesbian, straight, or bisexual??
Who cares?

Drugs and alcohol can destroy you no matter what your orientation.

I don't disagree with you, but apparently, the powers that be do. For what in essence was the substance-abuse related death of a washed-up singer has turned into...

...the Governor mandated lowering of all American flags in New Jersey to half mast. :rolleyes1 This is normally done in memory of the deaths of war heroes, humanitarians and major elected officials, not a faded, tainted pop idol who died in a stupor in a hotel bathtub.

...The live broadcast of the funeral. Ahem...this is usually reserved for heads of state, not someone whose legacy will be focused on their use of drugs, alcohol and failures in personal relationships.
 
I don't disagree with you, but apparently, the powers that be do. For what in essence was the substance-abuse related death of a washed-up singer has turned into...

...the Governor mandated lowering of all American flags in New Jersey to half mast. :rolleyes1 This is normally done in memory of the deaths of war heroes, humanitarians and major elected officials, not a faded, tainted pop idol who died in a stupor in a hotel bathtub.

...The live broadcast of the funeral. Ahem...this is usually reserved for heads of state, not someone whose legacy will be focused on their use of drugs, alcohol and failures in personal relationships.

Yeah, there has been a lot of buzz about that, even on our local talk radio stations.

I don't get it either.

I TOTALLY agree with lowering the flag to honor fallen soldiers, who died in the service to our country.

But for someone who sang a few songs and destroyed herself with drugs and alcohol? I don't agree.
 
Yeah, there has been a lot of buzz about that, even on our local talk radio stations.

I don't get it either.

I TOTALLY agree with lowering the flag to honor fallen soldiers, who died in the service to our country.

But for someone who sang a few songs and destroyed herself with drugs and alcohol? I don't agree.

I'm with you. Honoring someone who wasted the last half of her life and accidentally commits suicide isn't the message we should be sending to teenagers.
 
Honestly, what difference does it make?

At this point, does it really matter if she was lesbian, straight, or bisexual??
Who cares?

Drugs and alcohol can destroy you no matter what your orientation.

Means nothing to you or I, but I bet Christie would change his tune if Whitney were a closet lesbian, given his stance on gay marriage:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/new-jersey-gay-marriage-chris-christie_n_1277395.html

She DOES NOT deserve to be honored by the entire State in such a manner. I'm disgusted that the Governor has decided to do this for her (a washed up, has been, drug addict) yet doesn't believe in honoring our law abiding gay citizens and their relationships. Of course this is all JMHO
 
I'm with you. Honoring someone who wasted the last half of her life and accidentally commits suicide isn't the message we should be sending to teenagers.

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I don't get this at all. What message is this sending out?

Millions of people die everyday around the world from their own addictions...just as they do from cancer, diabetes, etc. Why is the governor flying flags at half mast for a celebrity? A celebrity who has admitted to drug use and abuse for years...what is the purpose of this?

I understand her family wants her memory to be of a gifted singer and not of a drug addict, but really, flying flags at half mast...?

What did she do for her community that is deserving of that? Just adds to the whole arrogance and obsession that is the world of celebrity.

Tiger:confused3
 
I have absolutely no problem with the flags being flown at half mast for Whitney.

They were flown at half mast for Frank Sinatra and for Clarence Clemons. :confused3
 
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I don't get this at all. What message is this sending out?

Millions of people die everyday around the world from their own addictions...just as they do from cancer, diabetes, etc. Why is the governor flying flags at half mast for a celebrity? A celebrity who has admitted to drug use and abuse for years...what is the purpose of this?

I understand her family wants her memory to be of a gifted singer and not of a drug addict, but really, flying flags at half mast...?

What did she do for her community that is deserving of that? Just adds to the whole arrogance and obsession that is the world of celebrity.

Tiger:confused3

Welcome to New Jersey..... :headache::headache: where I wish we have a different governor
 
I have absolutely no problem with the flags being flown at half mast for Whitney.

They were flown at half mast for Frank Sinatra and for Clarence Clemons. :confused3

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