Whitney Houston dead

[ckay87]

In the wake of reading an article this morning saying that Whitney Houston's family has been told she died of a prescription drug overdose, isn't it amazing that out of the last few celebrity drug deaths, they seem to have been under the care of a physician and died due to prescription drug overdoses, is this ringing any bells out there?

Whitney Houston
Heath Ledger
Michael Jackson
Anna Nicole Smith
Brittany Murphy

So, prescription drugs being doled out by idiot doctors or being used as a cover up for other addictions?

I always thought this....who ARE these doctors?!? Maybe I'm not savvy enough (likely), but I wouldn't even know how to go about becomming addicted to prescription drugs. I have a hard time anymore getting my hands on my favorite cold medicine!

 

[happygirl]

I always thought this....who ARE these doctors?!? Maybe I'm not savvy enough (likely), but I wouldn't even know how to go about becomming addicted to prescription drugs. I have a hard time anymore getting my hands on my favorite cold medicine!

you would be shocked what you can do with money

 

[luvmy3]

No addicts can't cure or help themselves, but if they get professional help I believe they can be helped..

I never said they could do it alone, but your post implies that they are ill and can't help themself, and I disagree. Seeking professional help is a way to help yourself, maybe you don't understand that

 

[happygirl]

I never said they could do it alone, but your post implies that they are ill and can't help themself, and I disagree. Seeking professional help is a way to help yourself, maybe you don't understand that

I don';t think people that are addicted to drugs, are the ones who usually seek out help for themselves. It usually family members that do that.

 

[CandyMandy]

I give credit the Grammy production heads for not letting the broadcast last night become a full, over-the-top wake-fest. But I must admit I gagged earlier in the evening, when a reporter on NBC mentioned that Houston had been working on a (direct quote here) "remake of the classic 1970's film "Sparkle"".

Classic?!??! I love how a celebrity death can suddenly vault an obscure, disjointed, cliche-ridden and poorly executed blackploitation film into the realm of "classic." If Houston had been working on a remake of The Color Purple I could have dealt with the use of "classic." But to call a forgotten throw-away that features bad acting, poorly written characters and a lame story you've seen a done much better elsewhere "classic" is just a sickening example of spin.

 

[happygirl]

]I give credit the Grammy production heads for not letting the broadcast last night become a full, over-the-top wake-fest. But I must admit I gagged earlier in the evening, when a reporter on NBC mentioned that Houston had been working on a (direct quote here) "remake of the classic 1970's film "Sparkle"". [/B]

Classic?!??! I love how a celebrity death can suddenly vault an obscure, disjointed, cliche-ridden and poorly executed blackploitation film into the realm of "classic." If Houston had been working on a remake of The Color Purple I could have dealt with the use of "classic." But to call a forgotten throw-away that features bad acting, poorly written characters and a lame story you've seen a thousand times done much better else "classic" is just a sickening example of spin.

I agree, I was happy that it wasn't a boo hoo fest

 

[sunshinehighway]

So if there's gonna be an addicts have an illness excuse, does that apply to Bobby Brown? He is just as much of an addict as Whitney was but she had an illness and he was a scumbag? He also has ADHD and is bipolar.

For the record, I think none of those things excuse his behavior, nor do I think what happened to her is his fault in any way.

 

[happygirl]

So if there's gonna be an addicts have an illness excuse, does that apply to Bobby Brown? He is just as much of an addict as Whitney was but she had an illness and he was a scumbag? He also has ADHD and is bipolar.

For the record, I think none of those things excuse his behavior, nor do I think what happened to her is his fault in any way.

I believe he enabled her.

 

[joviroxx]

I believe he enabled her.

Why? Because she had a better PR machine?

Maybe she enabled him... Or wait, maybe they just enabled each other. Too bad neither one of them were selfless enough to seek help for the good of their daughter.

 

[luvmy3]

I don';t think people that are addicted to drugs, are the ones who usually seek out help for themselves. It usually family members that do that.

Of course not all of them do. Helping yourself means many things, its not just seeking professional help. What do you think "helping yourself" means, saying today I'm going to quit drugs and they do, completey cold turkey and without support from anyone? Do they have an illness, most definitely, however that doesn't mean they can't help themselves.
Take Whitney, whether or not she sought professional help or not, she had it. She has been in rehab a number of times. She knew what it took to get clean, but she chose not to help herself stay clean. She chose to stay in a lifestyle where drinking and drugs are everywhere, knowing full well she is an addict. I'll never believe she couldn't help it, where there is a will there is way, she took the easy way, to give into her illness. She did have a choice, and she chose not to help herself. Sadly it cost her her life.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Maybe she enabled him... Or wait, maybe they just enabled each other. Too bad neither one of them were selfless enough to seek help for the good of their daughter.

The really sad thing from all off this is, it seems their daughter picked up some of their habits. At least that's the impression I'm getting from the articles I've read.

 

[happygirl]

The really sad thing from all off this is, it seems their daughter picked up some of their habits. At least that's the impression I'm getting from the articles I've read.

The worst part is that there daughter grew up watching them to do this

 

[snapppyd]

you would be shocked what you can do with money

You don't need much money to get xanax and alcohol. It's surprisingly easy to kill yourself in this manner.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Maybe she enabled him... Or wait, maybe they just enabled each other. Too bad neither one of them were selfless enough to seek help for the good of their daughter.

They enable eachother and their friends and families enabled them as well.

Being the child of addicts...I know how hard it is to regonize that you are part of the problem, as an enabler, but I also know that you have to stop being co-dependant or they will never heal.

Nothing could have helped her...She had to have WANTED to help herself and she needed to PUSH herself into sobriety. Wanting it isn't enough.

 

[sunshinehighway]

TMZ is reporting that Bobbi Kristina fell asleep in the bath tub the day before her mother died. Security had to break in and get her out. There was a link posted earlier in this thread about some type of water leak coming from Whitney's rooms the day before she died. It looks like it could have been from this incident with the daughter. Of course, its being reported by TMZ so take it for what its worth. I do find they usually get these type of stories right tho.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

The problem is the addict has to be ready and really want to be helped. You can spend all the money in the world and put them into rehab after rehab, until they really want it, with their heart and soul, it won't stick.

Sometimes, it won't stick even if they do want it to. That's addiction. If it were easy to quit Heroine, cocaine, heck even cigarettes, there wouldn't be such a problem. If you've never had to kick an addiction, you have no idea what it takes. You can imagine, you can be supportive, but really only the person trying to beat it knows. Some people are stong enough to make it out the other side, some aren't.

 

[luvmy3]

I believe he enabled her.

They seperated in 2006, divorced in 2007, I have a hard time putting any blame on him for her continuing down that road for the last 6 years.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

The problem is the addict has to be ready and really want to be helped. You can spend all the money in the world and put them into rehab after rehab, until they really want it, with their heart and soul, it won't stick.

Sometimes, it won't stick even if they do want it to. That's addiction. If it were easy to quit Heroine, cocaine, heck even cigarettes, there wouldn't be such a problem. If you've never had to kick an addiction, you have no idea what it takes. You can imagine, you can be supportive, but really only the person trying to beat it knows. Some people are stong enough to make it out the other side, some aren't.

This is SO TRUE.

It took me a long time, as a child and teen, to understand that my dad had to do it. No doctor or therapist could do it for him.

He was forced into a program. They knew he wasn't ready when he was done there...They told us to expect a relapse. It was frustrating and confusing at the time, but I understand what they meant now.

 

[CandyMandy]

TMZ is reporting that Bobbi Kristina fell asleep in the bath tub the day before her mother died. Security had to break in and get her out. There was a link posted earlier in this thread about some type of water leak coming from Whitney's rooms the day before she died. It looks like it could have been from this incident with the daughter. Of course, its being reported by TMZ so take it for what its worth. I do find they usually get these type of stories right tho.

Sunshine, good catch: maybe the flooding incident was tied to Kristna. The prior link you are referring to is one I posted (to a credible source, Forbes), I copied it in again below. What still remains unexplained is another detail this Forbes report added: a flat screen TV in the room where the bathtub overflowed had been destroyed (screen was smashed in).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/12/whitneys-death-an-earlier-incident/

 

[Pea-n-Me]

In the wake of reading an article this morning saying that Whitney Houston's family has been told she died of a prescription drug overdose, isn't it amazing that out of the last few celebrity drug deaths, they seem to have been under the care of a physician and died due to prescription drug overdoses, is this ringing any bells out there?

Whitney Houston
Heath Ledger
Michael Jackson
Anna Nicole Smith
Brittany Murphy

So, prescription drugs being doled out by idiot doctors or being used as a cover up for other addictions?

These medications have their place. And again, personal responsibility in their use comes into play.

Benzodiazepenes (valium, xanax, ativan, klonipin, etc.) are muscle relaxants. Taking too many means muscles get too relaxed - including muscle required to breathe. Add in alcohol - a depressant of the central nervous system - and, well...

Addicts may have prescriptions, but check the dosage prescribed against what they actually take. (Shocking amounts. ) Addicts develop a high tolerance so they need more to get the same effect over time, and if given free reign, may, essentially, eat them like candy. They "doctor shop" - going to different doctors to get different prescriptions, and also buy them on the street as with other drugs.

None of this means doctors are necessarily idiots or that the vast majority of people don't use them correctly.

We can only go by what is being reported right now, but so far we've read that there were many prescription bottles in Whitney's room and that she'd spent two nights "partying" and drinking heavily since she'd arrived at the hotel on Thursday. If there was little water in her lungs then her breathing had stopped before she went under water. I'm sure they have some idea already given initial blood tests, but final toxicology reports will show what and how much was in her system.