Which Eastern Carribean Itinerary is best on the Fantasy?

The flight is definitely a factor! We were stuck for 48 hours during a layover this summer due to cancelations and delays. Kids did 24 hours in an airport and were FANTASTIC! The adults are scarred and now hesitant to fly anywhere that isn't a direct flight.
Forget covid, I'm not going near an airport with all the cancellations and delays. We're traveling exclusively by car. Saw a story that it may be late 2023 or early 2024 before anything close to normal returns. A friend who is a commercial pilot says he would be surprised if the issues don't continue until 2025. He is already flying all the hours he legally can. The issue is, the biggest training ground for commercial pilots is the military, and we have been a time of peace for nearly 30 years so there are fewer military pilots retiring to take commercial pilot jobs.
 
The Caribbean is not overrated, and I'd not put Cozumel and Nassau up against Tortola/St. Thomas and think "Well because I've seen the former I'm good for the latter."
 
The Caribbean is not overrated, and I'd not put Cozumel and Nassau up against Tortola/St. Thomas and think "Well because I've seen the former I'm good for the latter."
I think our hesitation for the Carribean is that we are not really sit on a beach and relax for 7 days people. Hence the Disney cruise rather than a resort. In our ideal world we'd go to Hawaii or Iceland and hike, but again not super interested in flying far next summer. Also due to lots of current personal factors, having a trip that doesn't require a ton of logistics would be convenient.

My husband did not enjoy the Bahamas, we did like but my understanding is that St. Thomas or Tortola or San Juan would be nicer than the Bahamas?
 
My husband did not enjoy the Bahamas, we did like but my understanding is that St. Thomas or Tortola or San Juan would be nicer than the Bahamas?
I don't find the Caribbean to be a great deal different from the Bahamas. They're all economically run-down tropical islands that cater to tourists, so that vibe is there for all of the Caribbean/Bahamian islands that cater to cruise ships. Before sailing to St. Thomas and Tortola I had heard how much more "upscale" the eastern Caribbean was than the western Caribbean. When I actually got there, I realized that was hype and untrue. Maybe those islands were doing a bit better for their residents than the western Caribbean and were a little safer for visitors, but they were nothing approaching what Americans, Canadians or western Europeans would consider to be upscale or even lower middle class. They're nothing like Hawaii- that's a totally different world. They are all obviously impoverished areas.

Some of the Caribbean islands are bigger and have more interesting natural areas available for exploration than the Bahamas, so if that's what you're looking for, you might find it. Just don't expect the culture to be extremely different. If your husband hated the Bahamas, he's unlikely to love the Caribbean.
 
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I think our hesitation for the Carribean is that we are not really sit on a beach and relax for 7 days people. Hence the Disney cruise rather than a resort. In our ideal world we'd go to Hawaii or Iceland and hike, but again not super interested in flying far next summer. Also due to lots of current personal factors, having a trip that doesn't require a ton of logistics would be convenient.

My husband did not enjoy the Bahamas, we did like but my understanding is that St. Thomas or Tortola or San Juan would be nicer than the Bahamas?

If it's active adventures that you want, the Caribbean does have them. We only did the beach thing once when our son was 3. There are hiking, snorkeling, ziplining, etc, excursions. At Cozumel, there's an underwater cave exploration one that we missed due to a tropical storm.

I haven't been to the Bahamas or Tortola. It depends what he didn't like about the Bahamas. St Thomas is a US Virgin Island and San Juan is part of the US as well. There are definitely poorer areas to these islands, but they are both amazingly beautiful. San Juan has a really cool old town that feels like it's in Europe.

We have been to Hawaii, including Aulani, and love it. However, I am with you on the flight situation. Also, what happens if you get covid in Hawaii? Would you quarantine there? Technically, you are not supposed to fly. At least with something in the US, you can rent a car and drive home. We have gotten covid twice this summer (different family members) and had to drive home. We have also had to drive home a couple of times due to canceled flights in the last 2 years. I am kind of sick of driving 12+ hours home. There is a big risk of getting covid on the ship. Our son got it there. We didn't, because we got it a few weeks before at Disneyland. However, they did treat us very well while quarantining and had a beautiful view from our balcony.

Good luck with your decision. I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the choices.
 
Looking at either a St. Maarten, San Juan, Castaway Cay Itinerary on the Fantasy, or Tortola, St. Thomas, Castaway Cay also on the Fantasy itinerary for next summer. Which do you recommend and why?

We are two adults and two elementary aged kids. We have never sailed the Caribbean as a family, but my husband has been the Bahamas and Cozumel and has ruled out any itineraries that include those stops. I do not like to snorkel, but my kids would probably enjoy it. Or should we just skip the Caribbean and go to Hawaii instead???
Would love hear how it goes next month!

We have sailed only once on the Wonder to Alaska. We loved it, but think the bigger ships in the Caribbean will be a very different experience. Looking at Caribbean cruises bc we could drive to port and flying was a nightmare this summer. We are more national parks/hiking people, but maybe we'll enjoy the Carribean?
I have been on the Fantasy Eastern Caribbean to Tortola and St. Thomas. If you like to hike, taking the ferry to Virgin Gorda from Tortola and hiking The Baths is fabulous. You can also take the ferry from St. Thomas to St. John and explore Virgin Islands National Park there, which has a lot of hiking.

I have been to San Juan on a Wonder Southern Caribbean cruise. I didn't get to go there, but El Yunque National Forest in Puerto Rico sounds amazing and has 24 miles of recreational trails. I don't know if there are excursions to go there or if you would have to get your own transportation. (It's only 45 minutes from San Juan).

I have not been to St. Maarten so I don't know what you can do there.

I have been to Aulani also. If you are paying the big bucks to stay at Auluni, you probably won't want to go out and hike much. You want to get the full use out of the resort (that was my observance anyway). The Caribbean and Hawaii are very different. I guess it would depend on cost, time, and what I really wanted to see and do on my trip.
 
I don't find the Caribbean to be a great deal different from the Bahamas. They're all economically run-down tropical islands that cater to tourists, so that vibe is there for all of the Caribbean/Bahamian islands that cater to cruise ships. Before sailing to St. Thomas and Tortola I had heard how much more "upscale" the eastern Caribbean was than the western Caribbean. When I actually got there, I realized that was hype and untrue. Maybe those islands were doing a bit better for their residents than the western Caribbean and were a little safer for visitors, but they were nothing approaching what Americans, Canadians or western Europeans would consider to be upscale or even lower middle class. They're nothing like Hawaii- that's a totally different world. They are all obviously impoverished areas.

Some of the Caribbean islands are bigger and have more interesting natural areas available for exploration than the Bahamas, so if that's what you're looking for, you might find it. Just don't expect the culture to be extremely different. If your husband hated the Bahamas, he's unlikely to love the Caribbean.
Once you get off the main drags, Hawaii is VERY impoverished. Just kind of comes with every place that is considered "paradise" in the world.
 
I have been to Aulani also. If you are paying the big bucks to stay at Auluni, you probably won't want to go out and hike much. You want to get the full use out of the resort (that was my observance anyway). The Caribbean and Hawaii are very different. I guess it would depend on cost, time, and what I really wanted to see and do on my trip.
Lots of great advice! Thank you!
I think we would possibly do Aluani for four or five days and relax and recover from jet lag, then possibly island hop to hike and explore on a different island. The flight is so far in our ideal world we'd stay for 2 weeks.

It looks like Disney does an excursion to the national park close to San Juan. We did a cold rainforest in Alaska this summer, so would be great for the kids to go explore a tropical rainforest next.
 
Forget covid, I'm not going near an airport with all the cancellations and delays. We're traveling exclusively by car. Saw a story that it may be late 2023 or early 2024 before anything close to normal returns. A friend who is a commercial pilot says he would be surprised if the issues don't continue until 2025. He is already flying all the hours he legally can. The issue is, the biggest training ground for commercial pilots is the military, and we have been a time of peace for nearly 30 years so there are fewer military pilots retiring to take commercial pilot jobs.
Staffing issues, both pilots and ground crew, are why we ended up stuck for 48 hours. The stories we heard from other stuck in the airport passengers were unbelievable, some people had been stuck for several days longer than us. Also the luggage horror stories from our cruise are insane.
 
Lots of great advice! Thank you!
I think we would possibly do Aluani for four or five days and relax and recover from jet lag, then possibly island hop to hike and explore on a different island. The flight is so far in our ideal world we'd stay for 2 weeks.

It looks like Disney does an excursion to the national park close to San Juan. We did a cold rainforest in Alaska this summer, so would be great for the kids to go explore a tropical rainforest next.
The big island is amazing with the volcano and seeing the beautiful night sky on Mauna Kea. Kauai has wonderful hiking, waterfalls, and a river kayaking.
 
Lots of great advice! Thank you!
I think we would possibly do Aluani for four or five days and relax and recover from jet lag, then possibly island hop to hike and explore on a different island. The flight is so far in our ideal world we'd stay for 2 weeks.

It looks like Disney does an excursion to the national park close to San Juan. We did a cold rainforest in Alaska this summer, so would be great for the kids to go explore a tropical rainforest next.
Before choosing Aulani, go to the Aulani forum and read the reviews and experiences, and do so on Trip Advisor, etc. There are plenty of complaints recently. Not saying you shouldn't go, but you should go with your eyes open. There was a whole thread about someone's disappointment with their Aulani trip about a week ago. Found it and here's the link:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/unfortunately-disappointed-compared-to-wdw-resorts.3892120/

Of course, experiences and opinions vary. I'm just in favor of going in with your eyes open.
 
The part that stops me from picking either of the Fantasy itineraries is that you don’t like to snorkel or lounge on a beach. That is such a focus of being in the Caribbean (or at least the lazy view of being there). Others have pointed out that there are hiking and adventure options if you do your research (my suggestion).

Old San Juan is walkable and a good historical town for families with that way of travel. If you have the time, you could get out to El Yunque rainforest for outdoors adventure. The sail in and out of San Juan is one of the neatest ports I have visited.

You do not get the poor island + Diamonds International feeling when visiting San Juan - the town was established centuries before cruise ships.

I visited San Maarten once and have never looked to go there again. It was fun going to the beach and having jets coming in for landing over our heads. We went to an out of the way beach with clear, peaceful water and loungers and then did an island drive to see both the Dutch and French sides. But in the end, it held no charm.

The Baths? At Tortola. My sister and family went and told how the hike down through tight walls ended up at the boulders in the water. Yes, interesting and amazing but the water was rough (it was September). Not a place to play in the water. And then there was the climb back up the hill afterwards. Check out a video to get an idea of the experience.

St Thomas - I have mostly visited it as a land vacation, a week at a time. (Also visited St John as a land trip). St Thomas is definitely a beach-focused destination. And rightly so; it has some beautiful beaches offering various hues of blue water. Magen’s Bay is a very protected mile-wide beach good for swimming, but not a lot of snorkeling. Sapphire Beach has sapphire water And good snorkeling.

Or consider a catamaran cruise over to St John. Yep, snorkeling. if your day is long enough, taxi to Red Hook. Ferry (15 minutes) to St John and then taxi to US Virgin Islands National Park, which takes up 2/3 of St John. There are hiking trails and sugar / rum plantation ruins.
 
Me, I would pick Hawaii. Avoid prime travel times. Pick your airline carefully. Specific airlines have had more issues than others.

I have gone to Hawaii about 7 times since I was there for a 4-month job in 2000. I stay for 7-23 days. Yep, if I am flying that far, I am making good use of it.

Maui is a very American-forward island. We like to call it Camp Hawaii. Ziplines, biking down a volcano, snorkeling with turtles, outrigger canoe excursions. Lots of restaurants.

Hawaii (the Big Island) is like visiting a small town. That happens to be on an island. Tourism doesn’t seem to be the main focus. But it is a lovely place to be. Volcanoes National Park is a day’s worth of hiking and seeing from the top of a volcano down to the sea and the area where Kilauea poured out its lava and obliterated a subdivision. On the other side of the island is dry Kona. But also it’s snow-covered volcano Mauna Kea (Loa?). There’s a cowboy/western town up on a plateau where the cattle ranch there was once the second largest in the US. The Southern-most point of the United States is on Hawaii.

Kauai is Hawaii-proud and would like to be Hawaiian, not American. But I have never felt any hostility. Tourism here is subtle. Nature is the calling card. The Grand Canyon of the Pacific (Waimea Canyon) is lovely. A day sail up the Napali Coast offers beautiful views. Kauai has been the backdrop for many movies. You can paddle board or kayak on the interior peaceful rivers. There’s a challenging hiking trail on the North Shore. The Southern shore has dry, sunny beaches.

Oahu is a blend of mountains, beaches, big cities and smaller communities. Water and land activities abound. It is the honeymoon destination for young couples from Asia (Especially at Waikiki Beach). You can climb Diamond Head, head to the Polynesian Cultural Center to have a hands-on introduction to the various cultures that have formed the unique Hawaiian culture. Kualoa Ranch offers horseback and ATV tours of the valley seen in lots of movies. Pearl Harbor allows for a day of education in our history.

I have stayed at Aulani twice. I did not use it as a base, due to price. When I spend that much on a hotel, I utilize its facilities and then move on. (Hawaii hotels are never going to be cheap. Unless they are a hole in the wall - and those are mainly by the Honolulu airport). Oahu hotels also have steep parking fees. Your idea of decompressing at Aulani at the start of the trip is a great idea. No car needed. Across the street is a branch if ABC stores (Island Market) for drinks, snacks, sundries, hot food. There is also a BBQ (not what we think of - it’s a plate lunch), an Eggs ‘n Things (great breakfast foods). And Monkeypod Cafe is a restaurant by one of the founders of Hawaii Regional Cooking (he started the movement to get produce locally and pay the farmers decent wages instead of importing food at high prices from the mainland). And Aulani has multiple food outlets.

I found the beds at Aulani to be uncomfortable. No other complaints. We had a two bedroom villa the first time and a one-bedroom the next - no sleep surface in it was okay. My back hurt the entire time, bed or living room sleep area.

(I usually stay in timeshares, giving me en-suite kitchen and laundry.)

Hui is a car rental program that allows for partial-day rentals (no overnight parking fees required). YouTube cruisers have also been mentioning Turo for car rental from locals.

If I were limited to a few vacation destinations for the rest of my life, it would be Hawaii and Alaska (especially SE AK cruises). I have found both places to be welcoming of tourists.

But my next vacation is a Caribbean cruise to San Juan (4 hours in port at night), St Thomas, Puerto Plata DR, and a private cruise island in the Bahamas. The flights are so much short to FL.

Flying is not a guaranteed headache since re-start. But you can’t make the distance to Hawaii any shorter. I have stopped for an overnight in LA a few times in the way there. It has helped. I have also visited Disneyland while that close.

So much world out there. Good luck choosing.
 
I've done the St. Thomas/Tortola itinerary, and am doing the St. Maarten/San Juan itinerary next month. I loved Torola, but wasn't a huge fan of St. Thomas. We did a fun snorkel/catamaran excursion, but the rest of St. Thomas felt very touristy. Tortola seemed more 'authentic' and had the island vibe.

We were going to do that itinerary again (I'd been, my parents hadn't), but we picked the St. Maarten/San Juan because none of us had done that. And it is a much more rare offering. Excursions right now on San Juan are a little limited, though they did release a bunch more a couple of weeks ago and may release even more as it gets closer.
We are in the same boat (Pun intended 😂). Our last cruise was eastern Caribbean on the fantasy (2019) and we did the Tortola and Saint Thomas option. We really liked Tortola even though our excursion got canceled due to choppy seas. St. Thomas was really beautiful to walk around in and if you are a watch collector the shops are incomparable. But again Tortola was definitely the more authentic port. We sets sail to St Maarten and San Juan at the end of September and are very much looking forward to being back on the ships after two canceled cruises!
 
The part that stops me from picking either of the Fantasy itineraries is that you don’t like to snorkel or lounge on a beach. That is such a focus of being in the Caribbean (or at least the lazy view of being there). Others have pointed out that there are hiking and adventure options if you do your research (my suggestion).

Old San Juan is walkable and a good historical town for families with that way of travel. If you have the time, you could get out to El Yunque rainforest for outdoors adventure. The sail in and out of San Juan is one of the neatest ports I have visited.

You do not get the poor island + Diamonds International feeling when visiting San Juan - the town was established centuries before cruise ships.

I visited San Maarten once and have never looked to go there again. It was fun going to the beach and having jets coming in for landing over our heads. We went to an out of the way beach with clear, peaceful water and loungers and then did an island drive to see both the Dutch and French sides. But in the end, it held no charm.

The Baths? At Tortola. My sister and family went and told how the hike down through tight walls ended up at the boulders in the water. Yes, interesting and amazing but the water was rough (it was September). Not a place to play in the water. And then there was the climb back up the hill afterwards. Check out a video to get an idea of the experience.

St Thomas - I have mostly visited it as a land vacation, a week at a time. (Also visited St John as a land trip). St Thomas is definitely a beach-focused destination. And rightly so; it has some beautiful beaches offering various hues of blue water. Magen’s Bay is a very protected mile-wide beach good for swimming, but not a lot of snorkeling. Sapphire Beach has sapphire water And good snorkeling.

Or consider a catamaran cruise over to St John. Yep, snorkeling. if your day is long enough, taxi to Red Hook. Ferry (15 minutes) to St John and then taxi to US Virgin Islands National Park, which takes up 2/3 of St John. There are hiking trails and sugar / rum plantation ruins.
Great information! I should clarify. I love sitting on a beach, just not for a lot of days in a row, and my kids love to swim and do water activities.

My biggest struggle is paying to go to a beach because I grew up on the coast and spend part of each summer within driving distance of a nice beach for free (lucky us!). So we tend to focus paid vacations on other activities. I understand that the Carribean is different than East Coast beaches. And I think our kids would be in awe of the water.

I went snorkeling in Jamaica and didn't love it, but I think my kids would like it and my husband enjoys it.
 

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