Which E-book reader is best?

I just posted in another thread that I have become an "all Apple" kinda guy.

In this instance...I'm not. When I sit to read, I dont want to be distracted.

I dont want my reading to device to ring, beep, light up, play music or movies etc.

I want it to be a reading device.

From what I've heard...the new Apple announcement is for a tablet style PC on which you "can" read. It's not going to be a dedicated reading device. The description I keep hear is "think big Touch".

I'm pretty happy with what my Kindle does....just as I'm happy with what my iMac and iPhone do.

Go back and read the iPhone speculation before the iphone came out. Much of what was said was similar... I don't want to pay $600 and I just want to talk on my phone, browsing the internet on a phone is terrible, etc. No one really had an idea just how game changing the iphone was. I actually was reading an article by a tech reporter who didn't get the hype leading up to the iphone release, thought it would be a flop, etc. He went into the apple store to see what the fuss was, played with it for 10 minutes and walked out $600 poorer.

Frankly no one knows what the iSlate will be as its all rumors and speculation.... anything from a big touch to actual Mac OS. One thing I know though is Apple from 1998 on has made a lot of Game Changing Products. They don't invent them, but they make them user friendly, stylistic and innovative. If the rumors that e-books are going to be a big new revenue source for Itunes are true, then the e-reader aspect will be a big part of it.

I can't wait to see it.
 
I have the Kindle 2 ...which is now known as the International version (as it works almost everywhere in the world now).

The larger version is the Kindle DX. It's about the sive of an average magazine. I bought it when it first came out, but returned it as it was just too big. Now, that's just my opinion. Lots of people own and love the DX.

Hope that helps.

My main issue with the Kindles are lack of color... I want to be able to read a comic book, magazine, etc on a reader, but they just don't exist yet... although Asus and Apple are working on it.
 
I actually held two of the Sony Readers in my hands today for the first time.

I was buying some discounted holiday things at Borders, and they had a display set up where you could pick them up and decide for yourself if they were for you.

I dunno.

I liked that they were lightweight, but the glare coming from the fluorescent lights above was kind of troublesome.

I'm not sure if I could get used to one or not.

Maybe I'm "old school", but an actual book is more than just a book, you know ? The way they feel and smell, the way they can decorate a room just lined up on a shelf...

It's going to take some serious acclamation.
 
I think the iSlate and Kindle will be able to coexist because they will not really be the same or aimed at the same people.

My belief is that the Apple device will be basically a large format iTouch. It will have access to apps (maybe all of them, maybe not) and it will be a very different user experience. There will be things it does better than the Kindle (or other readers) and things is doesn't do as well.

People looking for a rich media experience like comics, texts with pictures (text books or picture editions of books like the Da Vinci Code), or books with embeded video (those are coming) will get the iSlate while people looking for a more standard reading experience will get the Kindle-type readers. The Apple device will not have the battery life of a Kindle for technology reasons (and do you really think it will have a replaceable battery so you can bring a spare). Ideally a device would have the ability to switch from back-lit to eInk depending on the content but that technology can't coexist yet in the same device yet.

It won't be as simple as which is better, it will be which is better at the specific functions you care about.

Maybe I'm "old school", but an actual book is more than just a book, you know ? The way they feel and smell, the way they can decorate a room just lined up on a shelf...

It's going to take some serious acclamation.

It comes down to the form/function debate. If the form of a book is important to you the eReader might not be your thing. If the only thing that matters is the function of reading words it might be. There are a lot of parallels to digital vs. print pictures. You can store thousands of pictures on a disk in a small 2.5" space. It is convenient and you can still view all of your pictures just by bringing the small device with you. Printed pictures take up a lot more space and are more volatile (can't back them up or restore them as easily) but you can hang them on a wall, put them in a scrap book, or include them in a Christmas card.

The digital picture hasn't completely removed the need for physical pictures, even with digital frames. It has just made the consumer decide which pictures should be digital and which physical. Even people with eReaders will purchase certain books in paper form for one reason or another just like they print out some of their digital pictures. Of course print on demand will also eventually come to books just like it has to pictures (despite the publishers fighting it) but that is a whole different thread.
 

I actually held two of the Sony Readers in my hands today for the first time.

I was buying some discounted holiday things at Borders, and they had a display set up where you could pick them up and decide for yourself if they were for you.

I dunno.

I liked that they were lightweight, but the glare coming from the fluorescent lights above was kind of troublesome.

I'm not sure if I could get used to one or not.

Maybe I'm "old school", but an actual book is more than just a book, you know ? The way they feel and smell, the way they can decorate a room just lined up on a shelf...

It's going to take some serious acclamation.

I know exactly how you feel about "real books" and it was one of the reasons I'd been holding back from buying the Kindle. After finishing my first book on the device-those fears are GONE. After the first couple of pages, I forgot I was reading on a "device" and was just reading. The pleasure of immersing myself in the world the author created was just the same-in fact, I think I was able to immerse myself more effectively because it's less awkward to hold than some of the books I've read. (I just finished Stephen King's Under the Dome in hardback, and I've got the sore wrists to prove it)
 
My main issue with the Kindles are lack of color... I want to be able to read a comic book, magazine, etc on a reader, but they just don't exist yet... although Asus and Apple are working on it.

The books I read are not in color in any of their formats (paper or ebook)

Magazines and newspapers are available for the Kindle and other ebook devices, but are not in color. The other thing to keep in mind is that you only receive the text. You do not receive photos or any of the syndicated columns. If you subscribe to a daily newspaper, you will not receive Dear Abby.

I agree that Apple will probably wow us again....and I love being wowed. In the last year, I acquired an iPhone, a Macbook and an iMac (Christmas present). I am an Apple fan.

That being said....I dont believe that this device will replace the Kindle anymore than I believe that the Kindle will replace regular old paper books.

When I sit down to read, I dont want to be distracted. I want to read. I dont want to answer the phone, text, play with a faux light saber, translate anything into Turkish, plan my next vacation, set up playdates for the dogs or be reminded that we need milk. I just want to read.

Dont get me wrong. I love my iPhone and use it for 100s of things, but I'm usually busy and involved when using my iPhone. I'm out of the house, I'm in the car, I'm shopping, I'm waiting in line, I'm making restaurant reservations, I'm keeping up with old friends, I'm picking up dry cleaning, I'm scheduling DR appts.....you get the idea.

When I read....I want all of that to stop. I want a bottle of diet peach Snapple. I want a comfortable place to sit and I want to be left alone. I want my reading experience to be immersive. I want to disappear into the world created for me by the author. Currently, I'm reading My Life in France by Julia Child and when I sit down to read....I'm transported to 1950's Paris and it's a place I want to be.

Reading (in my opinion) is a solitary activity. It's me and my book. Using my iPhone is not. Thats me and the outside world. Dont get me wrong.....I see the need for both....I just dont want them at the same time

So...unless this Apple device goes and gets snacks...it's probably not going to kill my Kindle. It might replace something else in my life (dont tell John...he already believes that Steve Jobs gets ALL his money) but I think my Kindle and I have a long relationship ahead of us.
 
I thought of the color issue myself, but most of my books don't have colored pages or pics so that wouldn't be an issue for me.

I haven't heard anything about the Apple version of the device. Is it posted somewhere online or just rumors at this point?

EDIT: I just scrolled all of the way up. I'm curious to see what Apple comes out with. However, I am not going to pay several hundreds of dollars for it.

I also watched the Kindle video on Amazon yesterday and have decided to hold off. The infomercial didn't wow me at all for some reason. I am sure it works for many (#1 selling item afterall), but for right now it does not seem like something I'd like other than for on the plane and even then it'd only be due to it being lightweight as opposed to a regular book. Even still, with my luck it'd be something else I'd worry about breaking like my iPhone. I don't need any other stressors right now thank you. lol

All in all, I think that it is great for those who need larger fonts of text or are constantly on the go. I'm glad it has made so many people happy. For the time being, I'm going to hold off and see what pops up in 2010.
 
I thought of the color issue myself, but most of my books don't have colored pages or pics so that wouldn't be an issue for me.

I haven't heard anything about the Apple version of the device. Is it posted somewhere online or just rumors at this point?

It is still rumor but some people who are rarely wrong about such things are pretty sure it is being announced at the January event. Kevin Rose in particular has a very good (and secret) inside source and it has been a while since anything he said Apple would be doing or releasing has been wrong.

It is true that this devices has been rumored for a while but if you follow the industry long enough you know when rumor is speculation and when it is substantiated. Kevin (and as a result, I) could be wrong but I'm confident that it will be announced.
 
My wife got me the Sony E-Reader Touch for Christmas and I like it alot. The controls are simple and easy to use.

I'm not sure what the difference is between the Sony and the Kindle other than the Sony isn't wireless and getting books from different systems. I do like the fact that with the Sony you have access to the local library.
 
When I was deciding which ereader to buy, I found MobileRead, a great community of ereader fans. On their Wiki page, they have a comparison matrix of all of the different ereaders (and there are a lot more than I ever realized) here.

Also, you can read the different threads and see what other people think of their ereaders, and ask specific questions. I am a big fan of that site.
 
Well I agree that they can coexist... unless the islate sells for $300, the price point will assure that. Again though, everytime we think we know what Apple's going to do, they don't just think outside the box they burn the box down and build an octagon. The original ipod was NOT the first MP3 player and was more expensive than the others on the market. But the design and ease of use was such a game changer it led to mass adoption to the point that ipods are 75% of the MP3 market (I believe). iTunes made it so easy to buy music and put it on your iPod, that it changed the game as well and no one has been able to compete.

From what I have read, the tablet mac has been an apple project on and off for 5 years. Jobs has been an anal perfectionist (there's a SHOCK!!!) about it and several prototypes have come and gone. Battery life was a huge issue... my guess is that this thing will get AT LEAST 6-8 hours on a charge. I'm just saying, we can make statements all we want... until we actually SEE it, we won't know.


I think the iSlate and Kindle will be able to coexist because they will not really be the same or aimed at the same people.

My belief is that the Apple device will be basically a large format iTouch. It will have access to apps (maybe all of them, maybe not) and it will be a very different user experience. There will be things it does better than the Kindle (or other readers) and things is doesn't do as well.

People looking for a rich media experience like comics, texts with pictures (text books or picture editions of books like the Da Vinci Code), or books with embeded video (those are coming) will get the iSlate while people looking for a more standard reading experience will get the Kindle-type readers. The Apple device will not have the battery life of a Kindle for technology reasons (and do you really think it will have a replaceable battery so you can bring a spare). Ideally a device would have the ability to switch from back-lit to eInk depending on the content but that technology can't coexist yet in the same device yet.

It won't be as simple as which is better, it will be which is better at the specific functions you care about.



It comes down to the form/function debate. If the form of a book is important to you the eReader might not be your thing. If the only thing that matters is the function of reading words it might be. There are a lot of parallels to digital vs. print pictures. You can store thousands of pictures on a disk in a small 2.5" space. It is convenient and you can still view all of your pictures just by bringing the small device with you. Printed pictures take up a lot more space and are more volatile (can't back them up or restore them as easily) but you can hang them on a wall, put them in a scrap book, or include them in a Christmas card.

The digital picture hasn't completely removed the need for physical pictures, even with digital frames. It has just made the consumer decide which pictures should be digital and which physical. Even people with eReaders will purchase certain books in paper form for one reason or another just like they print out some of their digital pictures. Of course print on demand will also eventually come to books just like it has to pictures (despite the publishers fighting it) but that is a whole different thread.
 
Here's the thing. Regardless of the hot gift status this year, E-Readers are still niche devices with only 3 million sold worldwide in 2009 and that's ALL brands.

Great numbers, but not the numbers of Iphones, Ipods, MP3s in general. In general a NICHE device. Yes, books will not need to have color. But I feel that mass adoption of won't happen until 1) Price drops further, 2) one file format dominates so that books bought can be used on multiple devices OR one unit dominates so much it becomes the defacto standard... such as MP3 or the fact iTunes uses AAC because the iPod dominates. Finally, units supporting color will need to happen for true mass adoption. I've seen the magazines on Kindle... I wouldn't waste my money... I want the pictures in those, I want the full paper experience... otherwise I'd rather read it online or analog. Based on consumer polling, I am in the majority. Of course, most of us would be more apt to buy the current Kindle at a $99 price point than its current one.

I'm not saying it will change YOUR style of reading for YOU... I'm saying that given past performance, the iSlate could lead to the mass adoption of e-readers and more importantly, become the defacto king. I doubt it will have a phone on it... but while you don't mind multiple devices, most consumer polls show you in the minority. Most consumers want combo devices. This product potentially replaces Netbooks, Clipboards, and E-readers, just as the iphone merged Phones and Media players and added a mini computer and apps to it. Instead of carrying around 3-5 different units, the iSlate potentially allows for just a phone and the iSlate both with Inet connectivity all the while providing a better experience by allowing magazines, papers and childrens books to be read in full color, while attracting more publishers because Apple takes less of the split than Amazon or the others do. Content is king and Apple has shown they know how to get it and how to play cutthroat with it.

As I said, this may not change your view on the Kindle... but I think if done right, the iSlate could move massive amounts of people off the fence and into the tablet/E-reader market, much the same way the iPhone moved consumers en masse to the smart phone market. Of course the Iphone has a fantastic Halo effect on the Smart Phone markets, something I am guessing the iSlate will do for E-readers and Netbooks.

And again, personally, I like the Kindle. I love the iphone and desktop apps and have bought books. I won't BUY a kindle mainly because I think the value of the Kindle with out being able to view things in color such as magazines, News Papers, comics, PDFs, etc isn't there... I find them overpriced but that's just my opinion. A color Kindle at $300 would have had my money already. But even if they offered it tommorrow, I'd have to wait. But then I don't already have one... while the iSlate may not cause people to ditch the Kindle, it could very well hurt future sales.

The books I read are not in color in any of their formats (paper or ebook)

Magazines and newspapers are available for the Kindle and other ebook devices, but are not in color. The other thing to keep in mind is that you only receive the text. You do not receive photos or any of the syndicated columns. If you subscribe to a daily newspaper, you will not receive Dear Abby.

I agree that Apple will probably wow us again....and I love being wowed. In the last year, I acquired an iPhone, a Macbook and an iMac (Christmas present). I am an Apple fan.

That being said....I dont believe that this device will replace the Kindle anymore than I believe that the Kindle will replace regular old paper books.

When I sit down to read, I dont want to be distracted. I want to read. I dont want to answer the phone, text, play with a faux light saber, translate anything into Turkish, plan my next vacation, set up playdates for the dogs or be reminded that we need milk. I just want to read.

Dont get me wrong. I love my iPhone and use it for 100s of things, but I'm usually busy and involved when using my iPhone. I'm out of the house, I'm in the car, I'm shopping, I'm waiting in line, I'm making restaurant reservations, I'm keeping up with old friends, I'm picking up dry cleaning, I'm scheduling DR appts.....you get the idea.

When I read....I want all of that to stop. I want a bottle of diet peach Snapple. I want a comfortable place to sit and I want to be left alone. I want my reading experience to be immersive. I want to disappear into the world created for me by the author. Currently, I'm reading My Life in France by Julia Child and when I sit down to read....I'm transported to 1950's Paris and it's a place I want to be.

Reading (in my opinion) is a solitary activity. It's me and my book. Using my iPhone is not. Thats me and the outside world. Dont get me wrong.....I see the need for both....I just dont want them at the same time

So...unless this Apple device goes and gets snacks...it's probably not going to kill my Kindle. It might replace something else in my life (dont tell John...he already believes that Steve Jobs gets ALL his money) but I think my Kindle and I have a long relationship ahead of us.
 
I have the original Kindle and love it. Kindle even has an Iphone App - which I love, so I can read my books on my phone. I love Amazon though and the pricing is better for regular books as well as kindle books in my opinion. I find B&N expensive on e-reader books as well as books in general. Did I say I LOVED my Kindle?????, lol.
 
Here's the thing. Regardless of the hot gift status this year, E-Readers are still niche devices with only 3 million sold worldwide in 2009 and that's ALL brands.

Great numbers, but not the numbers of Iphones, Ipods, MP3s in general. In general a NICHE device. Yes, books will not need to have color. But I feel that mass adoption of won't happen until 1) Price drops further, 2) one file format dominates so that books bought can be used on multiple devices OR one unit dominates so much it becomes the defacto standard... such as MP3 or the fact iTunes uses AAC because the iPod dominates. Finally, units supporting color will need to happen for true mass adoption. I've seen the magazines on Kindle... I wouldn't waste my money... I want the pictures in those, I want the full paper experience... otherwise I'd rather read it online or analog. Based on consumer polling, I am in the majority. Of course, most of us would be more apt to buy the current Kindle at a $99 price point than its current one.

I'm not saying it will change YOUR style of reading for YOU... I'm saying that given past performance, the iSlate could lead to the mass adoption of e-readers and more importantly, become the defacto king. I doubt it will have a phone on it... but while you don't mind multiple devices, most consumer polls show you in the minority. Most consumers want combo devices. This product potentially replaces Netbooks, Clipboards, and E-readers, just as the iphone merged Phones and Media players and added a mini computer and apps to it. Instead of carrying around 3-5 different units, the iSlate potentially allows for just a phone and the iSlate both with Inet connectivity all the while providing a better experience by allowing magazines, papers and childrens books to be read in full color, while attracting more publishers because Apple takes less of the split than Amazon or the others do. Content is king and Apple has shown they know how to get it and how to play cutthroat with it.

As I said, this may not change your view on the Kindle... but I think if done right, the iSlate could move massive amounts of people off the fence and into the tablet/E-reader market, much the same way the iPhone moved consumers en masse to the smart phone market. Of course the Iphone has a fantastic Halo effect on the Smart Phone markets, something I am guessing the iSlate will do for E-readers and Netbooks.

And again, personally, I like the Kindle. I love the iphone and desktop apps and have bought books. I won't BUY a kindle mainly because I think the value of the Kindle with out being able to view things in color such as magazines, News Papers, comics, PDFs, etc isn't there... I find them overpriced but that's just my opinion. A color Kindle at $300 would have had my money already. But even if they offered it tommorrow, I'd have to wait. But then I don't already have one... while the iSlate may not cause people to ditch the Kindle, it could very well hurt future sales.

I guess I'm a bit confused.

The discussion was centered around which is the best ereader and now we're talking about world domination, mass adoption and being the defacto king.

I'm sure whatever Apple put out will be popular and from past experience....I'll want one. As I said, I have an iPod, iPhone, Macbook and iMac. I guess you might say I drank the koolaid...even though I dont like that particular expression.

Currently....there 3 players (for all intents and purposes) Kindle, Sony and B&N. If you want an ereader and apparently 3 million people do, you are probably going to pick one of them.

With the way technology is changing, you might wait until next year to see what's coming, but then what happens the year after that? Technology will change again. Do you just sit on the bench and keep waiting for the ultimate perfect device? It's up to you.

I wanted to be able to read and have given my reasons for wanting / needing a Kindle so many times that I';m sure you can all recite them by now. Since I received my Kindle, I've read approximately 35 - 40 books that I wouldnt have been able to read had I waited for the perfect device.

I understand that we have all have different needs / desires that we hope our devices can fullfill.

The Kindle has offered me the opportunity to read again. I have 65 full length novels that take up the space of a TV Guide. I can carry all of them with me everywhere I go. The 65 novels were either free or less expensive then their paper counterparts.

At this point...I'm not concerned about market domination, defacto kings or Steve Jobs anal retentiveness.

If the Kindle (or any ereader) doesnt do what you need or want it to do ...wait. Maybe something next year will.

I think the Kindle does what I need it to do and does it well.

I cant really ask or expect more from any product I buy.
 
Just saw this article on Apple Insider about the rumored Apple 'iSlate' product.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...illion_600_kindle_killer_tablets_in_2010.html

Can't wait to see if this is true. I've been trying to save up for a Kindle & would love to check on the Apple product as well. I converted over to a Mac earlier this year after my pc was infected & it's awesome. My 3 kids all have Mac books & they would never go back to a pc. The ease of use & quality of Apple products is great.
 
I guess I'm a bit confused.

The discussion was centered around which is the best ereader and now we're talking about world domination, mass adoption and being the defacto king.

I'm sure whatever Apple put out will be popular and from past experience....I'll want one. As I said, I have an iPod, iPhone, Macbook and iMac. I guess you might say I drank the koolaid...even though I dont like that particular expression.

Currently....there 3 players (for all intents and purposes) Kindle, Sony and B&N. If you want an ereader and apparently 3 million people do, you are probably going to pick one of them.

With the way technology is changing, you might wait until next year to see what's coming, but then what happens the year after that? Technology will change again. Do you just sit on the bench and keep waiting for the ultimate perfect device? It's up to you.

I wanted to be able to read and have given my reasons for wanting / needing a Kindle so many times that I';m sure you can all recite them by now. Since I received my Kindle, I've read approximately 35 - 40 books that I wouldnt have been able to read had I waited for the perfect device.

I understand that we have all have different needs / desires that we hope our devices can fullfill.

The Kindle has offered me the opportunity to read again. I have 65 full length novels that take up the space of a TV Guide. I can carry all of them with me everywhere I go. The 65 novels were either free or less expensive then their paper counterparts.

At this point...I'm not concerned about market domination, defacto kings or Steve Jobs anal retentiveness.

If the Kindle (or any ereader) doesnt do what you need or want it to do ...wait. Maybe something next year will.

I think the Kindle does what I need it to do and does it well.

I cant really ask or expect more from any product I buy.

Sorry, I guess I got off on a tangent there... To succintly summarize, if you are not a current e-reader owner and are in the market, you would be smart to wait until after the apple press conf in January before making a decision. The potential project could be a game changer in the market.

No worries, you speak good tech geek... I enjoyed the discussion Kevin :-D
 
I will say I love the Kindle app on the iphone.. it does make it easier to read, I agree.

Steve Jobs anal retentiveness... LOL... There's a 100 page discussion for you sometime. And since he is the biggest individual stock holder, its even Disney related. ;-)



I guess I'm a bit confused.

The discussion was centered around which is the best ereader and now we're talking about world domination, mass adoption and being the defacto king.

I'm sure whatever Apple put out will be popular and from past experience....I'll want one. As I said, I have an iPod, iPhone, Macbook and iMac. I guess you might say I drank the koolaid...even though I dont like that particular expression.

Currently....there 3 players (for all intents and purposes) Kindle, Sony and B&N. If you want an ereader and apparently 3 million people do, you are probably going to pick one of them.

With the way technology is changing, you might wait until next year to see what's coming, but then what happens the year after that? Technology will change again. Do you just sit on the bench and keep waiting for the ultimate perfect device? It's up to you.

I wanted to be able to read and have given my reasons for wanting / needing a Kindle so many times that I';m sure you can all recite them by now. Since I received my Kindle, I've read approximately 35 - 40 books that I wouldnt have been able to read had I waited for the perfect device.

I understand that we have all have different needs / desires that we hope our devices can fullfill.

The Kindle has offered me the opportunity to read again. I have 65 full length novels that take up the space of a TV Guide. I can carry all of them with me everywhere I go. The 65 novels were either free or less expensive then their paper counterparts.

At this point...I'm not concerned about market domination, defacto kings or Steve Jobs anal retentiveness.

If the Kindle (or any ereader) doesnt do what you need or want it to do ...wait. Maybe something next year will.

I think the Kindle does what I need it to do and does it well.

I cant really ask or expect more from any product I buy.
 
The one other thing that would be great for all current and future e-reader owners if Apple has a successful launch... The rumors are the App store will split revenue 30-70 with the publishers, vs Amazon's 70-30. This should force the other readers to lower the profit split in their stores, leading to more publisher availability than there is currently for all stores. Now if they'd only allow each other's formats to play on each reader, that would be AWESOME!
 
Just read a bunch of rumors regarding Apple's announcement.

I read that Apple has ordered 10 inch LCD screens.

- If this is true, this will make Apple's device larger than the Kindle DX. I bought a DX and returned it as it was too big to be comfortably portable or to read in bed.

- If this is true, the screen will be back lit. This has already proven to be less than successful. Backlighting can / does cause eyestrain. This will bring up the argument that people look at television and computer screens and dont complain of eyestrain. That's because when working on the computer or watching television you tend to look away frequently and shift your gaze. People that like to read usually like to read for extended periods with their eyes focused on the same point. I'm sure you can find this info on the internet and explained much better than I have done.

- If this is true, the price point is going to be much higher than the current ereader pricing.
 

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