Where did all the small dog breeders go? What the what...

LuvOrlando

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Where did all the dogs & breeders go in the past 10 years? I have very particular requirements and so I am not up to taking on a stray I can't handle and I just can't find any breeders anywhere. What happened? Are they underground? It's literally easier to find a cannabis dispensary than a small dog breeder, if only I wanted a dispensary I'd be set, but I don't. It's been almost. 8 months since I lost my little one & the only puppies I see, the owners say are from mall stores and that's maybe not the best. I look on the internet and there are all sorts of scams but the AKC ones don't call or email back. Is the AKC no longer a legit way to screen to find safe dog breeders?

Looking in two NE states, is it easier in other states or regions?

Weirder still, if few are breeding puppies where in the world are all the strays coming from?

Just one more weird thing to add to the pile I guess... sigh
 
I’m a corgi lover and have had a breeder in Wisconsin for years. I found her through word of mouth. But there are lots of corgi groups on Facebook. I suggest you look into Facebook groups for the type of dog you want. Or the internet to look for different breed associations. Good breeders are very picky about who they give their puppies to.
 
Is there a specific breed? I am in VA and I know of a few. We also have a well rated shop near us.

Also, the 4000 beagles and pups taken from the VA facility will be available in case anyone interested: Humane Society :)
 

We just adopted our first rescue. He came up from the South on a truck with dozens of other dogs (which is where most of the rescues in NE are coming from). I am 100% in agreement with placing the right dog in the right situation, and it can be challenging with distant rescues for many reasons - availability (if looking for a certain age, breed or personality type), not meeting the dog in person first, the dog not meeting other pets in the household first, problems that a rescue can have, inexperienced previous or new owners, incomplete or incorrect information on the dog, etc.

Fortunately I knew what I was looking for and was willing to wait until I found the right one, but it did take years. Every dog I applied for was gone before they got to me, or it wasn’t a great fit for some reason (like the dog that low growled and bared teeth at us for an hour). Fortunately we eventually found our dog, but I think the only reason we got him was because they thought he was a lot older than he actually is and we were looking for an older dog. (Joke was on us!) But he does have the personality we were looking for and is the breed we wanted. (Listed as a mix when he is a purebred. Also heartworm positive so no one bothered to get him preventative, apparently.) We are working on some bad habits he had (which overall, aren’t too bad): it’s obvious he had no training. Thankfully he is a sweetheart by nature, and that’s what I wanted. But boy, looking back, it wasn’t easy getting him.

I also have a purebred from a good breeder who is a great dog. I was looking to rescue a dog then, too, but several adoptions fell through, with one dog even biting my old dog in the face twice as we were about to leave the shelter. We were about to lose the older dog so we wanted another dog in the wings, and this worked out. But again, he wasn’t easy to find, either. I contacted a local breeder and got referred four or five times from there until I found one breeder who had a male puppy. (Many breeders of the same breed know eachother from breed clubs and such.) Her interview was like the Spanish Inquisition but I think it’s a good thing, because as a pp mentioned, good breeders want good homes for their dogs. FB is one way to find a breeder, but you can also go through the AKC website or google local breed club information.

I’m just going to put this out there, because I knew there are posters here who will say you should only rescue dogs, not buy them, but I don’t agree with that, nor do I agree that there shouldn’t be specific breeds raised by breeders. The [shameful] pet overpopulation we have here is because people don’t bother to spay and neuter their dogs and are irresponsible in many other ways, too. That’s why so many pets are euthanized daily in this country because there is no more room and no more money to care for them and they have to make room for others coming in daily. Watching rescue sites for the past several years has been completely heartbreaking at times (even thought it’s a subject that I’ve been passionate about since I was a youngster, though things are worse than ever now). People dump pets when they don’t want them anymore, they don’t care for them correctly when they have them, and they think nothing of mistreating them. It’s disgusting. So responsible breeders aren‘t the sole problem, imo. Irresponsible ”breeders” can be, too - people who don’t bother getting veterinary care and shots so that the whole litter winds up with Parvo or other health issues, selling them to anyone with a pulse to make money even if it’s not a good fit for the puppy, having litter after litter, even with dogs who shouldn’t be bred due to health or temperament problems, etc.

We need a major re-educational effort with pet ownership, but it feels like a losing battle. It’s a free-for-all, really, where anyone can do anything they want, practically. Everyone got pets during the pandemic so that shelters were emptied out. It’s tough getting a veterinary appt in some cases because practices now are so full. I see people doing things to dogs on Instagram that are meant to be funny that are abusive. I’m so sad when that happens because I know others will then to it to their dogs, too. Ok, off soapbox. But it is good to talk about, I think - maybe it will help one dog, somehow. Luvs, I hope you can find the dog you are looking for that’s right for your family!
 
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@Pea-n-Me - just want to echo a lot of what you said. I was fostering for a bit (ended up with a foster fail) and what goes on with animals is absolutely heartbreaking. I can barely look at some of the things going on. Glad to hear you found a dog that fits in with your family!

OP, just in working with fostering, there is a very high demand for small dogs. That might be part of the issue--maybe breeders don't even need to advertise because of word of mouth and demand. I know that when I'm working with rescues, the biggest question we get is "are there any small dogs?" I'd say 90% of dogs in the shelter, seem to be over 40 pounds.
 
I haven't paid attention to small dogs but in the big dog world I see no shortage of breeders offering puppies from well titled/working dogs.
 
My parents Japanese chin of 15 years died 2 months ago and they’ve been struggling to find a new small dog too. They just happened to go check out the local shelter and there was a young pure blooded shih tzu that was picked up as a stray and he’s the sweetest little guy. They’ve had him for a couple weeks now and he’s totally part of the family now. They did say at the shelter that the small dogs get adopted right away so you have to be quick
 
SInce the topic of spay / neuter came up, here is a great organization that is paired with Vets all over making the procedure accessible. It used to be much less expensive so that people were encouraged to catch & get local strays fixed then release them, guess everything changes.

https://friendsofanimals.org/get-a-certificate/

I don't agree with a lot of their views, but this is a good thing
 
We used the internet to find a breeder -- but were very cautious about it. Doing a lot of Google searches confirmed for us that the breeder was in fact showing dogs and was very involved with the breed. We had a lot of emails back and forth when discussing the available puppy. We had to drive a couple of hours to meet our potential new pet. We met outside of a Petco, where he set up a portable play yard and let us spend time with the puppy. I believe caution is necessary for both the breeder and the customer. But seems like the internet is here to stay when it comes to "marketing" dogs. I was very skittish about the whole thing, but it worked out great. We have a wonderful addition to our family.
 
My husband has recently told me that purebred puppies are being flown into the airport he works at. When I looked at the company, my jaw dropped at the costs of some of the dogs. Thousands of dollars.

I know rescue dogs aren't what everyone is looking for, thankfully we found our perfect fit.
 
I found the breeder of my corgi by going to the local breed club website. In my area, it was the Golden Gate Pembroke Welsh Corgi Fanciers. It listed their members and I contacted a few of the breeders with an introductory letter describing my family and what we were looking for. The breeder I chose doesn't advertise - no website, no "wait list" or deposit, etc. I jumped through many hoops before she would place a puppy with my family. She breeds her dogs for show and the only reason I got my puppy is because she is a "fluffy". All of her dogs are tested - eyes, hips, etc. before she even considers breeding and the majority of them are champions or GCh. I paid a lot for my dog, but as I told my husband, I would rather pay $$$ for a dog that is health and temperament tested, bred by a knowledgeable person and bred to type than to pay less and buy from someone who breeds for profit, doesn't health test their breeding stock and end up paying the thousands to vets and trainers to fix problems.

I strongly suggest looking for the local breed club or local breed group on Facebook and go from there. It make take a lot of time to find what you are looking for.

Oh - I would almost NEVER buy a puppy that has to be shipped - unless I personally knew the breeder. Too many puppy mills with pictures NOT of where the puppies come from out there. I went to my breeder's home three times before I brought my puppy home. I saw her mother (dad was from another breeder), aunts, uncles, cousins, etc., and spent time with all of her dogs before I made my decision.
 
Depending on what type of dog you want, AKC may not be the place to look. I work for a family business doing this, and not all dogs qualify for AKC. Read reviews and call people and ask if you can visit. Even if they are too far for you to actually visit, their response to that question will be a good test.
 
I'm not sure how to folks find puppies. I'll admit, I'm anti buying puppies, 100% rescue dogs only
That said, my brother breeds dog. We just agree to disagree about it, it's a subject that we don't bring up amongst each other.
I do know a little about what he does though, via our Mom, and how he gets some of his puppies. Maybe it will shed some light on how puppies are moving around the US
The demand is so high for the puppies he can't keep up with his litters alone. So he drives all over the US and picks up puppies from other breeders and brings them to his house when they are old enough to be sent to their new homes.
What I don't now is exactly how he locates the other litters he goes to pick up. They are all the same breed. Maybe there are networks out there where they connect to each other? Maybe look in other parts of the US for types of dog you want and contact them to see if they know of a source local to you?
 
My husband has recently told me that purebred puppies are being flown into the airport he works at. When I looked at the company, my jaw dropped at the costs of some of the dogs. Thousands of dollars.

I know rescue dogs aren't what everyone is looking for, thankfully we found our perfect fit.
I have one rescue chihuahua that I found on the street and one American labrador retriever that I paid big bucks for. I bought the Lab because I wanted a highly intelligent, friendly, sociable, active, and athletic dog, and I got what I paid for and then some. I love them both.
 
This thread is useless without pictures. Here's my Covid rescue. He was caravaned from a Kentucky high kill shelter, along with other dogs and cats. I picked him up in a parking lot after a 15 minute meet and greet. He's wonderful. I will say, they did not have a lot of small dogs available.
 

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